NBA SG rankings (damnn-near perfect)

[MVP]

Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams

No way Kobe would win 3 rings without Shaq tho or at least another legit player that can put up a lot of points on the Lakers in the early 2000's. And those rings speak mightily loud when comparing to MJ right?

Actually, why am I wasting timing disrespecting Shaq like that. He wasn't replaceable at that time on the Lakers. SMH @ people thinking Kobe was restrained when Shaq was there. Why do some people think Kobe was selfish? Cause he was deferring to Shaq all those years? Come on now...

Funny you say this, b/c before these last 2 rings against the Magic and Celtics, those rings were speaking loudly, but it was always in a detrimental way. It was always Kobe couldn't do !*%$ without Shaq. And MJ didn't have Pip for all 6 of his right? Not to compare Pip to Shaq, but please I wish everyone would stop with the nonsense that it was 5 MJs out there and no one else. 

 

[MVP]

Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams

No way Kobe would win 3 rings without Shaq tho or at least another legit player that can put up a lot of points on the Lakers in the early 2000's. And those rings speak mightily loud when comparing to MJ right?

Actually, why am I wasting timing disrespecting Shaq like that. He wasn't replaceable at that time on the Lakers. SMH @ people thinking Kobe was restrained when Shaq was there. Why do some people think Kobe was selfish? Cause he was deferring to Shaq all those years? Come on now...

Funny you say this, b/c before these last 2 rings against the Magic and Celtics, those rings were speaking loudly, but it was always in a detrimental way. It was always Kobe couldn't do !*%$ without Shaq. And MJ didn't have Pip for all 6 of his right? Not to compare Pip to Shaq, but please I wish everyone would stop with the nonsense that it was 5 MJs out there and no one else. 

 

[youngtriz]

the same way people hold on to jordan and afraid to say kobe aint close......is the same as kobe riders saying that wade didnt beast better then kobe the last 2 years....
now just because you have to do everything on the team... you still need to have the ability to do them....

 

[nicedudewithnicedreams]

Originally Posted by Mamba MVP

Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams

No way Kobe would win 3 rings without Shaq tho or at least another legit player that can put up a lot of points on the Lakers in the early 2000's. And those rings speak mightily loud when comparing to MJ right?

Actually, why am I wasting timing disrespecting Shaq like that. He wasn't replaceable at that time on the Lakers. SMH @ people thinking Kobe was restrained when Shaq was there. Why do some people think Kobe was selfish? Cause he was deferring to Shaq all those years? Come on now...

Funny you say this, b/c before these last 2 rings against the Magic and Celtics, those rings were speaking loudly, but it was always in a detrimental way. It was always Kobe couldn't do !*%$ without Shaq. And MJ didn't have Pip for all 6 of his right? Not to compare Pip to Shaq, but please I wish everyone would stop with the nonsense that it was 5 MJs out there and no one else. 

Well, my point was made because CP over there complaining about Shaq's presence on the Lakers and its negative effect on Kobe. But he has now responded with another post that pretty much retracts his first statement...

And to be quite honest, no one brought up the Pippen factor (both positive or negative) in this topic. It is usually the Kobe supporters that act like it's the LA Kobes vs the Miami Wades. Talking about rings and first round exits aka team success/failure rather than the players themselves.

And yes, everyone, even MJ stans should know MJ was selfish as well. But not like he had Wilt out there as his teammate and he still gunning for the scoring title. 

 

[CP1708]

CP1708 wrote:

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he had Shaq takin the ball out of his hands most of the time.  If you just wanted to go "by the numbers" it's a shame we didn't get to see a 21-22-23 year old Kobe have the freedom to do whatever he wanted.  Personally, I liked it better the way it was, us winning. 

Aye, this is the og post I made about Shaq bein out there takin touches away from Kobe............show me where I was complainin at.  I bolded it, italicized it, underlined it, even changed the damn thing a different color so you could see it better with your blind @#$. 

I didn't complain and then re-tract a God damn thing man, come on now. 
  

 

[nicedudewithnicedreams]

Originally Posted by CP1708

CP1708 wrote:

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he had Shaq takin the ball out of his hands most of the time.  If you just wanted to go "by the numbers" it's a shame we didn't get to see a 21-22-23 year old Kobe have the freedom to do whatever he wanted.  Personally, I liked it better the way it was, us winning. 

Aye, this is the og post I made about Shaq bein out there takin touches away from Kobe............show me where I was complainin at.  I bolded it, italicized it, underlined it, even changed the damn thing a different color so you could see it better with your blind @#$. 

I didn't complain and then re-tract a God damn thing man, come on now. 
  
u mad?

Originally Posted by CP1708

[color= rgb(0, 0, 255)]And just for the hell of it, I even forgot to mention that when MJ was a kid, he was given free reign of the Bulls, when Kobe was a kid, he had Shaq takin the ball out of his hands most of the time[/color].  If you just wanted to go "by the numbers" it's a shame we didn't get to see a 21-22-23 year old Kobe have the freedom to do whatever he wanted.  Personally, I liked it better the way it was, us winning.  But for your "by the numbers" argument, it wasn't the same.  Kobe scoring 30 PPG with another guy on the team also scoring 30 a night is more impressive to me then MJ scoring 34 a night with nobody on his team.  (hence me saying 02 was Kobe's best year, and not 06.)
    

SMH. We know what you trying to say with that line about young MJ and free reign. Funny how u didn't include that part above tho...

And in your other post you pretty much gave positives and negatives of having Shaq and not having Shaq with Kobe. Which pretty much nullifies your post about Kobe being stunted when he was young with Shaq as a teammate. End of the day though, Kobe did his thing with Shaq and he did his thing without Shaq. He is appreciated for his work. Can't hate dude for that.      

 

[Girl Thats Jules]

niketalk is the only place where crap like this happens

because of the high percentage of laker fans in the sports forum.

CP you are a laker STAN first then a basketball fan second.

i would never take your opinion serious because your so biased.

you are incapable of discussing nba basketball without adding some kind of laker taint to it.




kobe isnt on michaels level

hes not even on magic and birds level. and they are beneath jordan.


kobe cant score like michael.

kobe cant defend like michael.



kobe wont be ,hands down the best player in the league at ages 33,34,and 35 like mike was.

kobes not even the best player in the league right now,and hasnt been for the last 3 years.

he has a horrible shot selection. on par wit guys like iverson and larry hughes.   kobes never shot over 50 percent in a season,ever.

jordan has done it 6 times.


he sucks on defense. he gets torched by garbage players like aaron afflalo

. he couldnt even chase 35 year old ray allen around screens witout CONSTANTLY gettin burned. ray allen aint ever had so many open shots in his life. luckily he missed them all.



im gonna stop right here though.

comparing jordan to kobe isnt even fair.

i have unlimited ammo in this argument so there really aint no point.

 

[JD617]

This thread went pretty well for a while... much better than I expected... but it's probably time to just lock it up now.

 

[denni5themenace]

Originally Posted by Girl thats Jules

niketalk is the only place where crap like this happens

because of the high percentage of laker fans in the sports forum.

CP you are a laker STAN first then a basketball fan second.

i would never take your opinion serious because your so biased.

you are incapable of discussing nba basketball without adding some kind of laker taint to it.




kobe isnt on michaels level

hes not even on magic and birds level. and they are beneath jordan.


kobe cant score like michael.

kobe cant defend like michael.



kobe wont be ,hands down the best player in the league at ages 33,34,and 35 like mike was.

kobes not even the best player in the league right now,and hasnt been for the last 3 years.

he has a horrible shot selection. on par wit guys like iverson and larry hughes.   kobes never shot over 50 percent in a season,ever.

jordan has done it 6 times.


he sucks on defense. he gets torched by garbage players like aaron afflalo

. he couldnt even chase 35 year old ray allen around screens witout CONSTANTLY gettin burned. ray allen aint ever had so many open shots in his life. luckily he missed them all.



im gonna stop right here though.

comparing jordan to kobe isnt even fair.

i have unlimited ammo in this argument so there really aint no point.

so statements like these make you a kobe hater first and a basketball fan second?
we all know you hate kobe, so stop tryna play this 2 way street.

 

[dipsetgeneral]

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Originally Posted by DipsetGeneral

Who the heck is going to catch up to 10 SCORING TITLES?!

F' outta here...

1. Who implied that he would?
2. Why is that the first thing you brought up? Is that what is the measuring stick?

If you wanna talk about most dominant player of a decade or generation, then someone needs to rack up at least 5 or 6...

 

[mayhemmonkey000]

Originally Posted by JD617


Advanced stats are better than points per game, rebounds per game, etc., which are outdated and misleading.

TRB% is the percentage of available rebounds a player gets while he's on the floor. AST% is the percentage of the team's assists that a player assisted while he was on the floor. You get the idea for STL% and BLK%. TOV% = number of turnovers per 100 possessions. USG% is the percentage of possessions a player uses while he's on the floor. PER... just ask CP about that one; it's his favorite stat.

You don't think those stats aren't misleading as well? Wade doesn't have the role players that Kobe has, I fully expect him to have better percentages in those stats. You can't just use stats when you have to configure how the teams are built and how the type of offense they play in. You think that the percentages Wade has from last season isn't gonna take a big dip this year with LeBron and Bosh there to take more percentages of the rebounds, assists, blocks, etc.? If anything those stats are more skewed then the simple PPG, RPG, APG, etc.

Offensive win shares... damn ECU doesn't teach research skills huh.
They actually do and they do a good job of it. It's his argument, not mine. Construct it and explain to where people can understand what those statistics mean. I guess Northwestern doesn't teach how to construct a proper argument huh "playboy"? 

Cut the attitude, it doesn't make you anymore intelligent and it doesn't make your point come across more. And you if you don't see the flaw in those advance statistics then you're blind.

 

[Girl Thats Jules]

Originally Posted by denni5themenace

Originally Posted by Girl thats Jules

niketalk is the only place where crap like this happens

because of the high percentage of laker fans in the sports forum.

CP you are a laker STAN first then a basketball fan second.

i would never take your opinion serious because your so biased.

you are incapable of discussing nba basketball without adding some kind of laker taint to it.




kobe isnt on michaels level

hes not even on magic and birds level. and they are beneath jordan.


kobe cant score like michael.

kobe cant defend like michael.



kobe wont be ,hands down the best player in the league at ages 33,34,and 35 like mike was.

kobes not even the best player in the league right now,and hasnt been for the last 3 years.

he has a horrible shot selection. on par wit guys like iverson and larry hughes.   kobes never shot over 50 percent in a season,ever.

jordan has done it 6 times.


he sucks on defense. he gets torched by garbage players like aaron afflalo

. he couldnt even chase 35 year old ray allen around screens witout CONSTANTLY gettin burned. ray allen aint ever had so many open shots in his life. luckily he missed them all.



im gonna stop right here though.

comparing jordan to kobe isnt even fair.

i have unlimited ammo in this argument so there really aint no point.

so statements like these make you a kobe hater first and a basketball fan second?
we all know you hate kobe, so stop tryna play this 2 way street.

im objective man

kobe is a all-time GREAT player

but he has a few short comings


he used to be my favorite player until idiots and little kids started overrating him.

 

[JD617]

If anything those stats are more skewed then the simple PPG, RPG, APG, etc.
No they're not.

Per game stats don't account for players who play different amounts of minutes, and they also don't account for teams that play at different paces. For example, you can't compare a guy from the Warriors versus a guy from the Pistons with per game stats. That would be meaningless since GS averages 12 more possessions a game than Detroit.

 

[gangsta207therevolution]

Originally Posted by denni5themenace

Originally Posted by Girl thats Jules

niketalk is the only place where crap like this happens

because of the high percentage of laker fans in the sports forum.

CP you are a laker STAN first then a basketball fan second.

i would never take your opinion serious because your so biased.

you are incapable of discussing nba basketball without adding some kind of laker taint to it.




kobe isnt on michaels level

hes not even on magic and birds level. and they are beneath jordan.


kobe cant score like michael.

kobe cant defend like michael.



kobe wont be ,hands down the best player in the league at ages 33,34,and 35 like mike was.

kobes not even the best player in the league right now,and hasnt been for the last 3 years.

he has a horrible shot selection. on par wit guys like iverson and larry hughes.   kobes never shot over 50 percent in a season,ever.

jordan has done it 6 times.


he sucks on defense. he gets torched by garbage players like aaron afflalo

. he couldnt even chase 35 year old ray allen around screens witout CONSTANTLY gettin burned. ray allen aint ever had so many open shots in his life. luckily he missed them all.



im gonna stop right here though.

comparing jordan to kobe isnt even fair.

i have unlimited ammo in this argument so there really aint no point.

so statements like these make you a kobe hater first and a basketball fan second?
we all know you hate kobe, so stop tryna play this 2 way street.

So first off Not on Bird's level?
LMAOhttp://niketalk.yuku.com/...reply/id/9426793?page=11
Kobe could have been considered better than Bird in 2002. He was definitively better by 06.
I might give you Magic cause I think Magic could have played til he was 40 imo
I might even give you that he takes some bad shots, but Iverson and Hughes? Its clear your just a hater with that one. Kobe has not shot below 43% for a season, Iverson's percentage aint 43% for his career nor is Larry Hughes.
Those percentage points make a difference
Im not even sure Mike was the best player in the league at 34 and 35
Karl Malone was on another planet those 2 years, even looking at advanced stats those 2 MVP's could have been Karl's easily ( and he got 1)
Even if that argument is null and void realistically are any of those guys from the late 90's on Lebron, Wade, or Durant's level. Im not sure those guys are on Melo's level either.
The competition is stiffer if the game is more skill based, and less physical.
I doubt anyone in the league can chase around Ray Allen for 35 to 40 minutes and score and be the presance Kobe was.
Now there is nothing you can do about losing your legs, but Ray could be a 3hour guy in a marathon, Guys like Allen and Rip will always give Kobe, and any other star player problems. Think about if Michael had to chase Reggie Miller around in 1998 its the same concept.

The argument is closer than anyone wants to believe, the only area Jordan clearly out classes Jordan is in physical areas.
Kobe gets his dads height this might not be as blasphemous as you want to think.
Bigger hands and the height and we might not be talking about the clear differences in speed strength and jumping ability favoring Jordan, and Lebron would be the evolution of Kobe

 

[mayhemmonkey000]

Originally Posted by JD617

If anything those stats are more skewed then the simple PPG, RPG, APG, etc.

No they're not.

Per game stats don't account for players who play different amounts of minutes, and they also don't account for teams that play at different paces. For example, you can't compare a guy from the Warriors versus a guy from the Pistons with per game stats. That would be meaningless since GS averages 12 more possessions a game than Detroit.
And none of your stats account for the structure of a team. And some of these PER stats are ridiculous. There's a reason why X player gets X amount of minutes and why Z player gets Z amount of minutes. Your stats are just as skewed as these "outdated" stats. I find it even more funny that you choose to select one sentence out of the whole argument.

Wade doesn't have the role players that Kobe has, I fully expect him to have better percentages in those stats. You can't just use stats when you have to configure how the teams are built and how the type of offense they play in. You think that the percentages Wade has from last season isn't gonna take a big dip this year with LeBron and Bosh there to take more percentages of the rebounds, assists, blocks, etc.?
Just so I don't have to retype it. You think those percentages aren't skewed for these reasons. Stop being blind. Those stats aren't anymore skewed then simple PPG, RPG, APG, stats. Of course different offenses are gonna skew those "outdated" stats, just like how there are a good amount of factors that skew those stats you put up.

 

[gangsta207therevolution]

Originally Posted by denni5themenace

Originally Posted by Girl thats Jules

niketalk is the only place where crap like this happens

because of the high percentage of laker fans in the sports forum.

CP you are a laker STAN first then a basketball fan second.

i would never take your opinion serious because your so biased.

you are incapable of discussing nba basketball without adding some kind of laker taint to it.




kobe isnt on michaels level

hes not even on magic and birds level. and they are beneath jordan.


kobe cant score like michael.

kobe cant defend like michael.



kobe wont be ,hands down the best player in the league at ages 33,34,and 35 like mike was.

kobes not even the best player in the league right now,and hasnt been for the last 3 years.

he has a horrible shot selection. on par wit guys like iverson and larry hughes.   kobes never shot over 50 percent in a season,ever.

jordan has done it 6 times.


he sucks on defense. he gets torched by garbage players like aaron afflalo

. he couldnt even chase 35 year old ray allen around screens witout CONSTANTLY gettin burned. ray allen aint ever had so many open shots in his life. luckily he missed them all.



im gonna stop right here though.

comparing jordan to kobe isnt even fair.

i have unlimited ammo in this argument so there really aint no point.

so statements like these make you a kobe hater first and a basketball fan second?
we all know you hate kobe, so stop tryna play this 2 way street.

So first off Not on Bird's level?
LMAOhttp://niketalk.yuku.com/...reply/id/9426793?page=11
Kobe could have been considered better than Bird in 2002. He was definitively better by 06.
I might give you Magic cause I think Magic could have played til he was 40 imo
I might even give you that he takes some bad shots, but Iverson and Hughes? Its clear your just a hater with that one. Kobe has not shot below 43% for a season, Iverson's percentage aint 43% for his career nor is Larry Hughes.
Those percentage points make a difference
Im not even sure Mike was the best player in the league at 34 and 35
Karl Malone was on another planet those 2 years, even looking at advanced stats those 2 MVP's could have been Karl's easily ( and he got 1)
Even if that argument is null and void realistically are any of those guys from the late 90's on Lebron, Wade, or Durant's level. Im not sure those guys are on Melo's level either.
The competition is stiffer if the game is more skill based, and less physical.
I doubt anyone in the league can chase around Ray Allen for 35 to 40 minutes and score and be the presance Kobe was.
Now there is nothing you can do about losing your legs, but Ray could be a 3hour guy in a marathon, Guys like Allen and Rip will always give Kobe, and any other star player problems. Think about if Michael had to chase Reggie Miller around in 1998 its the same concept.

The argument is closer than anyone wants to believe, the only area Jordan clearly out classes Jordan is in physical areas.
Kobe gets his dads height this might not be as blasphemous as you want to think.
Bigger hands and the height and we might not be talking about the clear differences in speed strength and jumping ability favoring Jordan, and Lebron would be the evolution of Kobe

 

[bijald0331]

Originally Posted by MayhemMonkey000

Originally Posted by JD617

If anything those stats are more skewed then the simple PPG, RPG, APG, etc.

No they're not.

Per game stats don't account for players who play different amounts of minutes, and they also don't account for teams that play at different paces. For example, you can't compare a guy from the Warriors versus a guy from the Pistons with per game stats. That would be meaningless since GS averages 12 more possessions a game than Detroit.

And none of your stats account for the structure of a team. And some of these PER stats are ridiculous. There's a reason why X player gets X amount of minutes and why Z player gets Z amount of minutes. Your stats are just as skewed as these "outdated" stats. I find it even more funny that you choose to select one sentence out of the whole argument.

Wade doesn't have the role players that Kobe has, I fully expect him to
have better percentages in those stats. You can't just use stats when
you have to configure how the teams are built and how the type of
offense they play in. You think that the percentages Wade has from last
season isn't gonna take a big dip this year with LeBron and Bosh there
to take more percentages of the rebounds, assists, blocks, etc.?
Just so I don't have to retype it. You think those percentages aren't skewed for these reasons. Stop being blind. Those stats aren't anymore skewed then simple PPG, RPG, APG, stats. Of course different offenses are gonna skew those "outdated" stats, just like how there are a good amount of factors that skew those stats you put up.



If regular stats are skewed and advanced stats are skewed, how do you separate these two? Again, not for their careers, but for their presents?
If you say watching the game, then the stats tell a great deal about the game. If you say look at Kobe's footwork, that doesn't mean anything. It's efficiency+quantity. What exactly makes Kobe better than Wade than?

As for the Kobe/Jordan debate, I know that Kobe Bryant can/could be a Michael Jordan any given night. He has/had the skills, etc. The difference is Jordan's sustained, irrepressible dominance over this league. Same for Wade (to a much lesser extent and never reaching MJ 91-93). Kobe can reach MJ 91-93 on any given night.

 

[xsalvioutlawx]

Originally Posted by dland24

at Kobe being number 2.

Exactly. Smfh

 

[Girl Thats Jules]

Originally Posted by gangsta207therevolution

Originally Posted by denni5themenace

Originally Posted by Girl thats Jules

niketalk is the only place where crap like this happens

because of the high percentage of laker fans in the sports forum.

CP you are a laker STAN first then a basketball fan second.

i would never take your opinion serious because your so biased.

you are incapable of discussing nba basketball without adding some kind of laker taint to it.




kobe isnt on michaels level

hes not even on magic and birds level. and they are beneath jordan.


kobe cant score like michael.

kobe cant defend like michael.



kobe wont be ,hands down the best player in the league at ages 33,34,and 35 like mike was.

kobes not even the best player in the league right now,and hasnt been for the last 3 years.

he has a horrible shot selection. on par wit guys like iverson and larry hughes.   kobes never shot over 50 percent in a season,ever.

jordan has done it 6 times.


he sucks on defense. he gets torched by garbage players like aaron afflalo

. he couldnt even chase 35 year old ray allen around screens witout CONSTANTLY gettin burned. ray allen aint ever had so many open shots in his life. luckily he missed them all.



im gonna stop right here though.

comparing jordan to kobe isnt even fair.

i have unlimited ammo in this argument so there really aint no point.

so statements like these make you a kobe hater first and a basketball fan second?
we all know you hate kobe, so stop tryna play this 2 way street.

So first off Not on Bird's level?
LMAOhttp://niketalk.yuku.com/...reply/id/9426793?page=11
Kobe could have been considered better than Bird in 2002. He was definitively better by 06.
I might give you Magic cause I think Magic could have played til he was 40 imo
I might even give you that he takes some bad shots, but Iverson and Hughes? Its clear your just a hater with that one. Kobe has not shot below 43% for a season, Iverson's percentage aint 43% for his career nor is Larry Hughes.
Those percentage points make a difference
Im not even sure Mike was the best player in the league at 34 and 35
Karl Malone was on another planet those 2 years, even looking at advanced stats those 2 MVP's could have been Karl's easily ( and he got 1)
Even if that argument is null and void realistically are any of those guys from the late 90's on Lebron, Wade, or Durant's level. Im not sure those guys are on Melo's level either.
The competition is stiffer if the game is more skill based, and less physical.
I doubt anyone in the league can chase around Ray Allen for 35 to 40 minutes and score and be the presance Kobe was.
Now there is nothing you can do about losing your legs, but Ray could be a 3hour guy in a marathon, Guys like Allen and Rip will always give Kobe, and any other star player problems. Think about if Michael had to chase Reggie Miller around in 1998 its the same concept.

The argument is closer than anyone wants to believe, the only area Jordan clearly out classes Jordan is in physical areas.
Kobe gets his dads height this might not be as blasphemous as you want to think.
Bigger hands and the height and we might not be talking about the clear differences in speed strength and jumping ability favoring Jordan, and Lebron would be the evolution of Kobe

lol hold on man gimme a sec,i gotta get motivated to type up a response

but im

 @ karl malone being on another planet. and jordan not being the best player in the game those last two years?

did you watch the nba those years?

i did.

i even had the presence of mind to video tape most of the bulls playoff games.

jordan was head and shoulders above the rest of the league idk what alternate history you're looking at.

 

[chitown4eva]

Im not even sure Mike was the best player in the league at 34 and 35
Karl Malone was on another planet those 2 years
 

 

[JD617]

I never said advanced stats are some kind of magical, infallible, flawless way to judge players, I said they do a much better job of portraying a player's impact than traditional per game stats, which is true, whether you want to believe it or not.

 

[hannsum]

Originally Posted by gangsta207therevolution

Originally Posted by denni5themenace

Originally Posted by Girl thats Jules

niketalk is the only place where crap like this happens

because of the high percentage of laker fans in the sports forum.

CP you are a laker STAN first then a basketball fan second.

i would never take your opinion serious because your so biased.

you are incapable of discussing nba basketball without adding some kind of laker taint to it.




kobe isnt on michaels level

hes not even on magic and birds level. and they are beneath jordan.


kobe cant score like michael.

kobe cant defend like michael.



kobe wont be ,hands down the best player in the league at ages 33,34,and 35 like mike was.

kobes not even the best player in the league right now,and hasnt been for the last 3 years.

he has a horrible shot selection. on par wit guys like iverson and larry hughes.   kobes never shot over 50 percent in a season,ever.

jordan has done it 6 times.


he sucks on defense. he gets torched by garbage players like aaron afflalo

. he couldnt even chase 35 year old ray allen around screens witout CONSTANTLY gettin burned. ray allen aint ever had so many open shots in his life. luckily he missed them all.



im gonna stop right here though.

comparing jordan to kobe isnt even fair.

i have unlimited ammo in this argument so there really aint no point.

so statements like these make you a kobe hater first and a basketball fan second?
we all know you hate kobe, so stop tryna play this 2 way street.

So first off Not on Bird's level?
LMAOhttp://niketalk.yuku.com/...reply/id/9426793?page=11
Kobe could have been considered better than Bird in 2002. He was definitively better by 06.
I might give you Magic cause I think Magic could have played til he was 40 imo
I might even give you that he takes some bad shots, but Iverson and Hughes? Its clear your just a hater with that one. Kobe has not shot below 43% for a season, Iverson's percentage aint 43% for his career nor is Larry Hughes.
Those percentage points make a difference
Im not even sure Mike was the best player in the league at 34 and 35
Karl Malone was on another planet those 2 years, even looking at advanced stats those 2 MVP's could have been Karl's easily ( and he got 1)
Even if that argument is null and void realistically are any of those guys from the late 90's on Lebron, Wade, or Durant's level. Im not sure those guys are on Melo's level either.
The competition is stiffer if the game is more skill based, and less physical.
I doubt anyone in the league can chase around Ray Allen for 35 to 40 minutes and score and be the presance Kobe was.
Now there is nothing you can do about losing your legs, but Ray could be a 3hour guy in a marathon, Guys like Allen and Rip will always give Kobe, and any other star player problems. Think about if Michael had to chase Reggie Miller around in 1998 its the same concept.

The argument is closer than anyone wants to believe, the only area Jordan clearly out classes Jordan is in physical areas.
Kobe gets his dads height this might not be as blasphemous as you want to think.
Bigger hands and the height and we might not be talking about the clear differences in speed strength and jumping ability favoring Jordan, and Lebron would be the evolution of Kobe

you're an idiot if you think kobe was top 10 all time by 06. stay away 

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Originally Posted by DipsetGeneral

If you wanna talk about most dominant player of a decade or generation, then someone needs to rack up at least 5 or 6...

Really? Shaq has how many? Oh ok. So he can't be labeled the most dominant of a decade or generation?

 

[CP1708]

Originally Posted by Girl thats Jules

niketalk is the only place where crap like this happens

because of the high percentage of laker fans in the sports forum.

CP you are a laker STAN first then a basketball fan second.

i would never take your opinion serious because your so biased.

you are incapable of discussing nba basketball without adding some kind of laker taint to it.

LULZ

JD, I was with you, I thought this was a pretty decent discussion we had going in here, I even posted on twitter for people to come in and check it out, it was a calm fair talk about two legends.  But I'm a stan, what do I know? 

  

 

[osh kosh bosh]

This has become a cluster +!@! pretty much, this is exactly why I pretty much try to avoid Kobe arguments. 
I will say I don't think Kobe is better than Bird, I don't think he was ever on Birds prime.