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Do you have any info? I have never heard of Steph not getting along with other players in that locker room.Come on man
Edit, just heard that the Warriors are 30 and 4 when Steph plays, and when KD does not.
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Edit, just heard that the Warriors are 30 and 4 when Steph plays, and when KD does not.
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So...
How many games in the playoffs does he have to come through in for him not to be a choker?
What’s the difference between a bad game or a bad segment of a game and choking?
I’m not even the biggest harden fan this is more about choking and chokers and all that
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Yall sound ridiculous. Harden didn't choke in game 5 and 6 because he played well in games 3 and 4. Wtf. Take that **** to the offseason thread
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My man, you made the claim that Steph is a better lockerRoom presence.
The burden of proof is on you.
But you resorting to THAT is just pulling straws at this point.
But you got it.
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But what pattern though? I’ve said it before this is not like Harden has NEVER come through
They were down 3-1 to the clippers and he had an elite game 5, game 7 to bring them back
The series against the spurs when he was with okc,
This is what I’m saying man just picking and choosing
I feel you. I’m on neither side, just explaining the other side from a neutral perspective
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Of course he has some good games. He's a great talent.
That's playing dumb.
But the fact is his game ain't the same in the playoffs OVERALL . He has a big dropoff. If you wanna ignore that, that's on you but that's the reason he'll get called a choker every year. His resume in the postseason OVERALL is bad.
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Considering one team had the same rotation all year and the other was together for 3 months, the former would be better even though the latter has more talent.
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If KD is healthy by the Finals... Giannis is gonna suffer the same fate bron suffered in the past two finals... and there ain't nothing Giannis can do to stop it (If he makes it).
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Nah, it isn't like that. I have never heard of Steph having a beef with anyone but Nike. KD, Westbrook, his stuff with twitter, Drayvon, that's all I am saying. Great player, not afraid to speak to issues, but I do not know if he has that leader thing that Steph has.
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It's hard to put a number on it. A lot of it has to do with circumstances and when it takes place.
You brought up the Spurs series in OKC where he was fantastic. But what was that immediately followed by? The bigger moment which was the 2012 finals where he disappeared. Should it negate what he did in the WCF? No but the moments that will ultimately resonate are the biggest ones.
And James has a flair that even his staunchest supporters have to admit of failing so spectacularly that is screams hey slander me.
I'm saying overall if you continually play lesser in the playoffs than you do in the regular season that's choking. Peyton Manning was my favorite player but he personified that.
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Or does it have to do with which story the Media/Internet feels like promoting?
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His season ends the same way every single year. Piss poor defense and rookie mistakes in the clutch. If you want to cherry pick the handful of times he shows up in non elimination games to crown him you can if you want
I don't know how anyone can watch the entirety of that game 6 and say he did everything in his power to win. If he actually did, even I wouldn't talk **** about him
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Harden
Regular Season- 36/7/8/2, 5 TOs, 44/37/88 splits, 62 TS%
Conference Semis- 35/7/6/2, 4 TOS, 44/35/80 splits, 59 TS%
Game 6- 35/8/5/4, 6 TOs, 44/40/58 splits, 58 TS%
Very minimal drop-off from an insane regular season. I'd still like to see him settle far less than he does, and he deserves a lot of criticism for that, but his team just isn't as good as Golden State.
Regular Season- 36/7/8/2, 5 TOs, 44/37/88 splits, 62 TS%
Conference Semis- 35/7/6/2, 4 TOS, 44/35/80 splits, 59 TS%
Game 6- 35/8/5/4, 6 TOs, 44/40/58 splits, 58 TS%
Very minimal drop-off from an insane regular season. I'd still like to see him settle far less than he does, and he deserves a lot of criticism for that, but his team just isn't as good as Golden State.
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NT ain't the media.
Harden makes it really easy.
See 2012 finals, the comeback vs the Clippers where he was benched, 13 turnovers in an elimination game, the G6 no show vs SA w/o Kawhi, the Game 6 & 7 struggles last season and Game 5 & 6 in the 4th this series.
I'm sure there's more but that's just off the top of my head.
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Pointing to the stat sheet instead of watching the game<<<<<
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So it's the medias fault he was trash in his only finals appearance?
And broke record for most turnovers in a elimination game?
And went ghost in game 6 vs the Spurs?
And last year went 6 for 25 from 3 in games 6 and 7?
That media something else.
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He has some LOW points. I STILL don't understand what happened game 6 against San Antonio.
But what great doesn't have low moments on huge stages? That doesn't mean they are a choker, it literally could just be a bad game, or a bad series. They are great enough to warrant that benefit of the doubt.
Can Harden do this if he's a choker?
I obviously could go on but this is point. The moments where he "Chokes" are significantly outnumbered by playoff moments where he hoops. So how do you choose the small moments where he isn't at his best, then use that to override the vast amount of times that he's come through? That part doesn't make sense to me.
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It's a complete joke at this point to continue defending harden
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I think it’s time to let the Harden grudges go until next season
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Are they though? Do the choking moments in his case really pale to the spectacular ones? I mean he was great in Game 3 & 4 but also was as bad as Russell Westbrook in the Utah series this same postseason. And again the timing and moments matter. Doing a lot of these in Finals games (in OKC) or in elimination game scenarios which is probably what really kills him compared to others.
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It's just funny reading all these excuses. Like I keep saying these same dudes put all this praise on him in the regular season and he's unstoppable, legend, all time great, "Magic Harden
". Then lower the bar every postseason.
He ain't what you thought, it's ok to be wrong.
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Harden, and every other superstar, has bad games in the regular season, too. No one is great for 82 games plus playoffs.
A bad playoff game is much more magnified.
A bad playoff game is much more magnified.
