Man of Steel (Superman Movie Thread) - June 14, 2013 - NEW Trailer pg20

[rfx45]

just saw the movie.it was good but i thought it would be better.

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did he really kill the guy by just snapping his neck?

Why not? They are of the same strength, it can even be argued that Superman is stronger just being exposed to the yellow sun his whole life.

In the comic book Kingdom Come, though not canon, Superman has absorbed so much yellow sun that kryptonite had no more effect on him.

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it's just the fact it's a big fight and everything and it finishes just like that. got me like

yea. i thought he wouldve put his hand over zod's eyes while he was doing the heat vision and it would backfire, frying his brain.

The way heat vision worked, I could understand why he wouldn't just cover his eyes with his hands. I mean you could see them shake it off after every use, they were slightly vulnerable after it's use, it seems very powerful and I wouldn't be surprised if Supes felt it might just go through his hands?

Or his arms/hands were locked in for that headlock and struggling to keep Zods head from turning, if he moved his hand away from that headlock position then Zods head could have moved and killed the family?

 

[noblekane]

I enjoyed it

Only thing was the chemistry between Lois and sup was kinda awkward IMO

maybe cuz she old enough to be his mom lol jk i know their real ages

 

[MarvelSux]

there is a HD quality out there...

 

[girlslovewaffles]

movie was meh could have been better. somebody else should have played lois lane imo. 

I felt the same way there were several plot holes. Lois was calling him Clark like half way thru the movie and he never introduced himself as that. Also didn't like that he started working at the daily planet so lat in the film

What do you think is the point of an origin movie?

To show you the origin of the character. I think him working for the Daily Planet at the end was perfect. I really liked the scene when the elevator closed as he was putting on his trademark glasses.

 

[x Buddha Bless x]

just saw the movie.it was good but i thought it would be better.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

did he really kill the guy by just snapping his neck?

Why not? They are of the same strength, it can even be argued that Superman is stronger just being exposed to the yellow sun his whole life.

In the comic book Kingdom Come, though not canon, Superman has absorbed so much yellow sun that kryptonite had no more effect on him.

It's not so much all of those details and info. It's just that they were slamming each other through buildings for 30+ minutes and getting hit with eye lasers, brushing off missile and other attacks but a very human kill move did the job.

I can see why ppl would want something more than that. Most ppl aren't simply aware that Supes was probably holding back given how much more yellow sun he's absorbed.

 

[pmatic]

I just finished watching it. I liked it a lot, but I could definitely see how this was originally supposed to be a three hour movie.

 

[girlslovewaffles]

I think the word you guys are looking for is anti-climactic haha. I was a little underwhelmed by it, and I personally feel like they should've done something else to get rid of Zod. But the emotion behind that scene was good. Superman was really trying hard to not have to do what he did.

I think if the movie was 30 minutes longer, it'd be perfect.

 

[rfx45]

just saw the movie.it was good but i thought it would be better.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

did he really kill the guy by just snapping his neck?

Why not? They are of the same strength, it can even be argued that Superman is stronger just being exposed to the yellow sun his whole life.

In the comic book Kingdom Come, though not canon, Superman has absorbed so much yellow sun that kryptonite had no more effect on him.

It's not so much all of those details and info. It's just that they were slamming each other through buildings for 30+ minutes and getting hit with eye lasers, brushing off missile and other attacks but a very human kill move did the job.

I can see why ppl would want something more than that. Most ppl aren't simply aware that Supes was probably holding back given how much more yellow sun he's absorbed.

Just watched that scene right now and just rewound it back about 3x and the impact of that neck snapping is ruthless, a shockwave emanated through the whole building. You can easily say he ripped his head right off there. I think once people see it again and notice that, it'll be more understandable. It was way too busy to really notice it the first time, I certainly didn't initially.

 

[rfx45]

I think if the movie was 30 minutes longer, it'd be perfect.

I do think they could have ended it a bit better, similar to how the Avengers ended, showing people cheering and recovering. I think showing some celebration and hatred toward Supes on the paper, newscast, etc... Like a scene were helping to rebuild Metropolis and then some rioters are there to protest him staying would have concluded the film better. Could have been a good cameo for Lex too, campaigning on the tv for about 2-3 seconds and get people really excited for the sequel.

I get that it is something they could touch up on the sequel but really those hints are something they could spent 5-minutes in the film for or get rid of Olsens part, I really see no point in her being in this film, even if her part is huge int he sequel, I see no reason why she can't be introduced then.

 

[x Buddha Bless x]

Chronicle’s Max Landis Rants Brilliantly About “Superman And Superheroes And S**t





Landis makes a lot of excellent points about Superman, the movie, and other superheroes. A lot of which I agree with but he also pretty much explains why I don't like Superman much compared to other superheroes. As unique as ppl may think he is, his differences and situation are not interesting to me like a guilt ridden narcissistic "bully" like Spider-Man or an obsessed sociopath like Batman. Then it just gets back to that Diomedes dilemma comparison I read about in this thread or another superman related one. Sucks too cuz I'd probably be way more interested in a Superman on his journey to ruling the world and then his rule way more than him trying to save it.

All the stuff about the movie is on the nose though. Won't get in to the Transformers 3 and especially 9/11 comparisons. I got diehard Superman fans telling me how far removed this Superman is from others that it's basically more in line with alt versions and evil proxies and expys (or is it expi?) of him (e.g. Ultraman, Justice Lord Supes, etc. )

The other stuff I'm sure yall can delve in to or pick a part if you disagree.

I think the word you guys are looking for is anti-climactic haha. I was a little underwhelmed by it, and I personally feel like they should've done something else to get rid of Zod. But the emotion behind that scene was good. Superman was really trying hard to not have to do what he did.

I think if the movie was 30 minutes longer, it'd be perfect.

For me the emotion behind his reasoning made it climactic enough but how the death came about would probably fit as anti-climatic or just unsatisfying. For me it's more the how instead of that he did do it. Of course I came in knowing Superman would kill Zod. Just not in what context

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just saw the movie.it was good but i thought it would be better.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

did he really kill the guy by just snapping his neck?

Why not? They are of the same strength, it can even be argued that Superman is stronger just being exposed to the yellow sun his whole life.

In the comic book Kingdom Come, though not canon, Superman has absorbed so much yellow sun that kryptonite had no more effect on him.

It's not so much all of those details and info. It's just that they were slamming each other through buildings for 30+ minutes and getting hit with eye lasers, brushing off missile and other attacks but a very human kill move did the job.

I can see why ppl would want something more than that. Most ppl aren't simply aware that Supes was probably holding back given how much more yellow sun he's absorbed.

Just watched that scene right now and just rewound it back about 3x and the impact of that neck snapping is ruthless, a shockwave emanated through the whole building. You can easily say he ripped his head right off there. I think once people see it again and notice that, it'll be more understandable. It was way too busy to really notice it the first time, I certainly didn't initially.

It's still a neck snap though, minus the shockwave a human can do that to another human and be just as ruthless. I don't think it was that busy, they kinda really slowed things down so you could understand Zod is going to kill these humans that can't escape a corner and Supes having him in that headlock, I guess struggling to move Zod's head as the laser vision gets closer to them was forced to do kill (even though Superman fans probably had a bunch of ways out of that scenario that didn't need killing).

 

[rfx45]

By busy I meant there were just so much things to digest in the last 40 minutes that last part was intense that you really can't grasp everything that just happened or your mind is just exhausted by then.

I just never really had a problem with the neck snapping and was perfectly fine with that ending.


I guess I'm just not sure why people seem so confused that Zod could die that way? Like you said, a human vs human could snap each others neck, but a Kryptnian vs. Kryptonian is far fetch? I also think it is much more ruthless with the neck snapping comes from a guy who can pretty much flick your head right off you body but that might just be me. Plus that shockwave pretty much tells you the force of the move too, definitely looks and feels more epic with it.

And of course there are ways to keep Superman from killing Zod but that was obviously something they wanted to show and show it in a way where he felt it was the only option he has. They wanted to show Superman kill when pushed to the corner and they did just that.

 

[rfx45]

Just finished seeing that clip and he did make a good point but the destruction part, something I have to disagree. I mean it just has to be part of the story sometimes, I agree in Superman it could have been a bit better if there were less casualties but in the Avengers case, they did tried their best to save as many people as possible. Cap was concerned with keeping the enemies within a perimeter to minimize the damage as possible and they pretty much tried to round them up as best as they can. W/o that much destruction (though nothing in comparison to MoS) or giant threat of an army, I am not sure you can create a story for that team to exist/unite and that can showcase everyone's ability in an origin film. Read almost all the teams origins, in the comics and tv shows (include JLA too) and you see that the group unites against an army of aliens who threaten Earth. What does he want in the film, the army of aliens attack an empty desert?

Transformers 3, I can't defend just because the movie practically had no plot.

 

[x Buddha Bless x]

Eh, I wasn't distracted by the past 40 minutes in that particular scene. I could sense things were winding down right before the one on one fight and was pretty much waiting for the end as I enjoyed all of the destruction but hey that's my experience when I watched the movie, if it was like that for you I can see that a different perspective and thus a different critiquing of the death scene can lead to you seeing it that way.

It's not so much as being fine with it or not. Just if it was satisfying given the past hr+ of fighting and what they were doing in those fight scenes.

It's not confusion so much as disappointment and the levels of suspension of disbelief ppl are willing to accept. Ruthlessness really isn't a factor. It's not that neck snapping isn't ruthless, it's that it doesn't reach the expectation from a layman's fan point of view unless the seed was planted that these bad guys are susceptible to neck snappings. That shockwave aint really move me It was just kinda like what? Really? Ok... The shockwave is there at that point cuz it needs to be. They've already decided to kill Zod this way might as well make it look powerful cuz if it lacked that it'd be really lame (akin to the Hulk snapping Abomination's neck with some big Luke Cage chains as I've mentioned before). I'm sure if you re-watch it again the sound of the neck snapping is probably loud as **** too

I wasn't making a point about Superman and the millions of ways he could've stopped Zod without killing him just bringing it up cuz it is laughable given it's Superman I didn't mind it but it's good for a chuckle when you think about it any deeper than the writer and director wanted this to happen in that way. Same with Batman knocking a nuke on crossing light signals, sides of buildings, and dragging it on the street



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The Avengers coordinating with the police to save civilians (Cap) and directly saving them is what I felt MOS was sorely missing during all of that destruction but even then to me there was still plenty loss of life in Avengers just not comparable to MOS (plus I don't know how many days later but at the end of the invasion before they show the Avengers leaving they show that NYC skyline view from midtown Central Park upwards and the city is completely restored ). We see a building topple over but Supes is too busy being knocked around or knocking somebody else through a building to save anybody directly (other than Lois).

 

[noblekane]

I just finished watching it. I liked it a lot, but I could definitely see how this was originally supposed to be a three hour movie.

yup hopefully we get a directors cut

 

[firepower]

I see Max Landis is still just as condescending and pretentious as ever.

 

[everysingletime]

The movie had more than ample time to showcase whatever was necessary. If there were things missing then what was needed was a rewrite, not a longer running time.

 

[blkrstr21]

this was the first movie in a long time that i just wanted to be over

it wasnt necessarily because i didnt like it or it being too long, it just didnt keep me interested. im no movie critic, but its easily forgettable, imo

 

[thejrob]

Gotta say up front, I'm a fan of superman and enjoy almost every comic book movie at least a little bit...

this was not a good film IMO. Terrible job of making you even care what happened to Superman. If he had sacrificed himself and died for the world, I honestly would've felt exactly the same. The attempt to humanize Clark through like 4 flashbacks? Dude was basically an alien robot programmed to "Save World" mode, that's about it.

Considering the movie was 2.5 hours, still having a lame plot and terrible character development was pretty pathetic to me. Shocked Nolan had anything to do with this. I know he didn't write it, but still

 

[shogun]

Crazy how Cavill was up for so many roles. Better late than never I guess.

Henry Cavill Turned Down A Leading Role In 300

Add this to the list of awesome roles that MAN OF STEEL star Henry Cavill missed out on including James Bond in the 007 franchise, Cedric Diggory in the Harry Potter franchise, Batman in the Batman franchise and Superman in an earlier version of the Superman franchise. The crucial difference being, for the others he was rejected, 300 he himself was forced to turn down.

The shoot and prep of 300, Zack Snyder's blood-soaked ode to the Spartan warrior culture, happened in late 2005, coinciding with the time the trials for the latest James Bond were going on which was a two man race down to Henry Cavill and Daniel Craig. Cavill could either stay in the race for Bond, or do 300. He chose the later which was a race that he then lost!

Does it say if he was supposed to be leonidas? If so then thats a huge mistake because it launched Gerard Butlers career. If he was a side guy, I understand, even though he wouldnt get another chance at a starring role for a few years

He's British so getting the chance to be the new James Bond was probably more appealing to him. I would've done the same. Casino Royale was awesome.

 

[CP1708]

I ask everyone this, what was more "ruthless" "savage" etc? Superman crushing Zod's now human hand and then dropping him into a hole, or snapping his neck with enough force to shake a building and then truly breaking down because of it?

Because I'm sorry, how this can be anticlimactic, but Superman II is still routinely praised since Reeves was the one and only Superman that could fit the bill makes no sense to me.


78 Superman was on again last night, and STILL I don't see how anyone could be down on MOS. That movie was nothing but fluff in 78. The score absolutely saves that movie. If not for that score, that movie would have made 8 dollars in the theatre, it literally was the only thing that captured my attention the entire time.

Lerx is great, and they put him with a freaking moron of a sidekick and a hag of a woman. Lois Lane damn sure ain't hot in that movie compared to Amy Adams.
The whole crowd reaction shots, and reporters talking on tv to explain this crazy phenomenon compared to Zod hacking the entire world and announcing that he is here for one of his people, sorry, MOS wins, easily.
The action, come on. 78 doesn't even qualify as action.

This movie beats out all of that stuff. Crowe and Costner together far outweight what Brando was able to portray. The origins were so much better this time around. Everything was modernized, with us all knowing the older background stuff. (like us not needing to see him be a part of the Daily Planet just yet, we know it will come, as will Jimmy/Jenny Olsen, etc) I don't NEED to see him wear glasses and act a ****** fool, I wanted to see something NEW, and that is what this gave us. And they did it better.


So either ALL Superman movies suck, all of them, 78, 81, Richard Pryor, and that direct to video number 4 variation, as well as Returns, or this jumps to the best of the best of all Superman movies, and then we try to fit it within the last 20 years of comic book movies.

 

[King of Trash Style]

I ask everyone this, what was more "ruthless" "savage" etc? Superman crushing Zod's now human hand and then dropping him into a hole, or snapping his neck with enough force to shake a building and then truly breaking down because of it?

Because I'm sorry, how this can be anticlimactic, but Superman II is still routinely praised since Reeves was the one and only Superman that could fit the bill makes no sense to me.


78 Superman was on again last night, and STILL I don't see how anyone could be down on MOS. That movie was nothing but fluff in 78. The score absolutely saves that movie. If not for that score, that movie would have made 8 dollars in the theatre, it literally was the only thing that captured my attention the entire time.

Lerx is great, and they put him with a freaking moron of a sidekick and a hag of a woman. Lois Lane damn sure ain't hot in that movie compared to Amy Adams.
The whole crowd reaction shots, and reporters talking on tv to explain this crazy phenomenon compared to Zod hacking the entire world and announcing that he is here for one of his people, sorry, MOS wins, easily.
The action, come on. 78 doesn't even qualify as action.

This movie beats out all of that stuff. Crowe and Costner together far outweight what Brando was able to portray. The origins were so much better this time around. Everything was modernized, with us all knowing the older background stuff. (like us not needing to see him be a part of the Daily Planet just yet, we know it will come, as will Jimmy/Jenny Olsen, etc) I don't NEED to see him wear glasses and act a ****** fool, I wanted to see something NEW, and that is what this gave us. And they did it better.


So either ALL Superman movies suck, all of them, 78, 81, Richard Pryor, and that direct to video number 4 variation, as well as Returns, or this jumps to the best of the best of all Superman movies, and then we try to fit it within the last 20 years of comic book movies.

I agree

 

[rfx45]

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

I ask everyone this, what was more "ruthless" "savage" etc? Superman crushing Zod's now human hand and then dropping him into a hole, or snapping his neck with enough force to shake a building and then truly breaking down because of it?

Because I'm sorry, how this can be anticlimactic, but Superman II is still routinely praised since Reeves was the one and only Superman that could fit the bill makes no sense to me.


78 Superman was on again last night, and STILL I don't see how anyone could be down on MOS. That movie was nothing but fluff in 78. The score absolutely saves that movie. If not for that score, that movie would have made 8 dollars in the theatre, it literally was the only thing that captured my attention the entire time.

Lerx is great, and they put him with a freaking moron of a sidekick and a hag of a woman. Lois Lane damn sure ain't hot in that movie compared to Amy Adams.
The whole crowd reaction shots, and reporters talking on tv to explain this crazy phenomenon compared to Zod hacking the entire world and announcing that he is here for one of his people, sorry, MOS wins, easily.
The action, come on. 78 doesn't even qualify as action.

This movie beats out all of that stuff. Crowe and Costner together far outweight what Brando was able to portray. The origins were so much better this time around. Everything was modernized, with us all knowing the older background stuff. (like us not needing to see him be a part of the Daily Planet just yet, we know it will come, as will Jimmy/Jenny Olsen, etc) I don't NEED to see him wear glasses and act a ****** fool, I wanted to see something NEW, and that is what this gave us. And they did it better.


So either ALL Superman movies suck, all of them, 78, 81, Richard Pryor, and that direct to video number 4 variation, as well as Returns, or this jumps to the best of the best of all Superman movies, and then we try to fit it within the last 20 years of comic book movies.

Don't know how people can nit pick MoS so much but not the '78 film. Like when he first saved Lois, that helicopter was dangling on top of the building for a good minute or two and it turns out, Clark was inside the building w/o a clue on what is happening. He comes out, looks up and actually ponders for a second what is going. Instead of just running somewhere to change to his costume and save the day, dude just slowly jogs around looking for a phone booth to change. He even stops at a public phone w/o a booth and thinks about it before moving on until he finds a revolving door where he can change to his costume.

 

[36Hypno]

I ask everyone this, what was more "ruthless" "savage" etc? Superman crushing Zod's now human hand and then dropping him into a hole, or snapping his neck with enough force to shake a building and then truly breaking down because of it?

Because I'm sorry, how this can be anticlimactic, but Superman II is still routinely praised since Reeves was the one and only Superman that could fit the bill makes no sense to me.


78 Superman was on again last night, and STILL I don't see how anyone could be down on MOS. That movie was nothing but fluff in 78. The score absolutely saves that movie. If not for that score, that movie would have made 8 dollars in the theatre, it literally was the only thing that captured my attention the entire time.

Lerx is great, and they put him with a freaking moron of a sidekick and a hag of a woman. Lois Lane damn sure ain't hot in that movie compared to Amy Adams.
The whole crowd reaction shots, and reporters talking on tv to explain this crazy phenomenon compared to Zod hacking the entire world and announcing that he is here for one of his people, sorry, MOS wins, easily.
The action, come on. 78 doesn't even qualify as action.

This movie beats out all of that stuff. Crowe and Costner together far outweight what Brando was able to portray. The origins were so much better this time around. Everything was modernized, with us all knowing the older background stuff. (like us not needing to see him be a part of the Daily Planet just yet, we know it will come, as will Jimmy/Jenny Olsen, etc) I don't NEED to see him wear glasses and act a ****** fool, I wanted to see something NEW, and that is what this gave us. And they did it better.


So either ALL Superman movies suck, all of them, 78, 81, Richard Pryor, and that direct to video number 4 variation, as well as Returns, or this jumps to the best of the best of all Superman movies, and then we try to fit it within the last 20 years of comic book movies.

Preach

 

[x Buddha Bless x]

I ask everyone this, what was more "ruthless" "savage" etc? Superman crushing Zod's now human hand and then dropping him into a hole, or snapping his neck with enough force to shake a building and then truly breaking down because of it?

Because I'm sorry, how this can be anticlimactic, but Superman II is still routinely praised since Reeves was the one and only Superman that could fit the bill makes no sense to me.

I'm really not sure why ppl keep using the words "more ruthless" or "savage" when ppl say the kill scene was not satisfying or anti-climatic. I'm not sure I'm seeing anyone ask for Superman to be more ruthless and savage This isn't the Hulk. The main fact were even discussing a kill scene with Supes and how it should be done is weird enough. All that said, I would've liked to see him lobotomize Zod with his heat vision but I dunno maybe that requires some higher intelligence that Clark really didn't display throughout the film.

The thing with '78 and that scene is it is ambiguous. Nobody is looking for or expecting Superman to kill Zod. After those movies ppl are expecting phantom zone 2D traps being sent off in space, Superman plastic wrap, and other admittedly silly new inventions or powerful weapons that are just made up. This here is a reboot and it was a whole different agenda in trying to execute it.

Also, I dunno if you were a kid in '78 but I wasn't and I know most movies are not going to resonate throughout all time for all ages for all ppl. It was new for them and they loved it but yeah there probably is an argument for all Superman movies sucking balls.

I see Max Landis is still just as condescending and pretentious as ever.

That aside you can still see the point he's making. I figured all that extra stuff was for laughs. I don't take him seriously with some of his blanket statements. The whole thing was in effort to make his point about Superman.

 

[rfx45]

I'm really not sure why ppl keep using the words "more ruthless" or "savage" when ppl say the kill scene was not satisfying or anti-climatic. I'm not sure I'm seeing anyone ask for Superman to be more ruthless and savage

Perhaps, because to others, how savaged it looked made it climatic and satisfying? It also answers those questioning of how he can die from a simple neck breaking, Supes used enough brute force to end a Kryptonians life.

I mean it was unexpected, especially for Superman (and that is why plenty are mad) and the force he did it in was icing on the cake. To some, that is pretty climatic and epic. If he didn't fight himself from doing it and had no struggle and just snapped the neck like it was a twig w/o the shockwave or force and they took out that roar of regret in the end, then yes I can agree it was anti-climatic and whatever but all those combined, I was very happy with it. I was satisfied.