Of course, and quite rightly so.
I think he was talking about based on the source material the way Superman films has been scrutinized. I mean comics books change all the time but people always wants to stick to only what they know. Hell Superman was a jerk back then and a bit racist.
I think he was talking about based on the source material the way Superman films has been scrutinized. I mean comics books change all the time but people always wants to stick to only what they know. Hell Superman was a jerk back then and a bit racist.
Exactly the point of the article from CBR. We each have his/her own idea/version of what Superman should be. And it's pretty normal. It works the other way around as well, MoS was pretty much Nolan/Snyder/Goyer's idea version.
So technically, the "real" version of Supes should be the one his creator's made. And I believe that Schuster and Siegel's version was the one RFX was referring to
I do like the og Superman and the subsequent sequel. They were solid, for that time I suppose.
But I am absolutely THRILLED with what MOS is and can be. And I think that's part of the missing piece, is we don't know where it can lead. Batman Begins was very good, solid, but it wasn't until Dark Knight that it elevated Begins. The natural progression, Batman is getting better, but the criminals he must face are getting wiser/stronger too. Any holes that might have been in Begins, can be filled in the sequel and so on.
MOS did all that damage and people are complaining about it, that very well could be the backdrop for the sequel. They could literally open the movie with him helping build new buildings, a memorial for those that lost lives, he could be upset with himself, all sorts of angles they could play. We just haven't gotten there yet. Hell, we already saw the reports that the Blu Ray could be over 3 hours with added footage.
The boy scout Superman route is done, and played out. That was the late 70's, early 80's. Today is a completely new generation. I almost guarantee if he came out and was all dorky and four eyed and trippin all over hisself and then Zod came down pissed off and was takin over the White House and **** like that, people would flip out. There really was no way to win. So the best route, imo, was to do what they did. They told the story from today's perspective, and they did it by trying to instill the best values they could, represented wonderfully by Kevin Costner, along with a similar Bruce Wayne Batman Begins discover himself angle. Now we're set in a world where we see actual real life aliens, on Earth, dukin it out. Some bad, another tryin to help. And the real world has to figure out what that's all about.
The first Superman was 2 missle's launched at each coast. That was the "bad guy". The damn US government couldn't rally up some fighters to stop a missile traveling all the way across the country. THAT AIN'T GETTIN IT DONE IN 2013 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. Nolan/Snyder tried the same thing as Gotham, introducing a realistic approach to terrorism from some random nutjobs in Batman, dudes from Krypton in Superman. Not totally realistic, no damn aliens are landing in NY tomorrow, but as realistic as possible. That means destruction, deaths, damage, explosions, and the like. They aren't going to fight in Antarctica because Clark Kent asks.
Morrally, backdrop, storyline, action wise, casted, visually, this was the best Superman movie ever made. The only thing it can not top was the original 78 score. That 78 score gives you the shivers it was so good, so iconic. Everything else, MOS is better.
And the sequel will improve on the story, I have no doubt about it.
Buddha -You're definitely right, it is a polarizing movie (it was always going to be anyway with that ending) but it just seems a lot of negativity has snowballed from a select few early reviews and suddenly every armchair critic in the world has come crawling out of the woodwork to chip in their 2 cents.
Of course I'm not saying people aren't entitled to their opinions or that there isn't justified criticism of the movie
, but I don't ever recall this level of scrutiny for any other superhero flick. Then again, that's probably because I'm so wrapped up in MOS, that I'm checking and reading every article, blog post, mention of it I see lol.
But my point about Superman being the superhero that people love to hate more than any other is very real and it has been going on looong before this movie. I remember John Landis' son doing that sickeningly patronizing break down vid on why (according to him) everyone hates Superman, so yeah Superman still gets scrutinized even when he's not particularly in the spotlight. Whatever negative points people might have about the Batman films, they still love him and his bastard prep time ...or Tony Stark and his bastard charisma
Like I said before, Man of Steel certainly wasn't perfect and believe me, there's plenty about it that I would change personally, but I still think it's a great Superman movie.
I guess Superman gets most of the criticism as he is THE Superhero. People hold him in a totally different regard than the other superheroes.
This man knows.He definitely gets scrutinized plenty. I mean everyone is looking for the Reeves Clark/Superman in MoS but they weren't looking for a Keaton in BB. I'm sure no one wants a Clooney or Kilmer Batman again so I won't count them.
And really, Nolans Batman isn't really the Bats we know. I mean really, he didn't do much detective work in any of the trilogy films. He used some gadgets like that scanning machine to determine the bullets trajectory or some other mumbo jumbo that pretty much led to nowhere in TDK. Hell the Joker was always one step ahead of him throughout the whole film and that is suppose to be Bats in his prime. Bruce couldn't even deduce who Crane was working for in BB and he couldn't deduce that Bane wasn't working alone in TDKR. He showed some signs but I seriously wouldn't mind seeing a film that is just full of detective work similar to the arc Hush.
It also lacked action if you really think about it. Nolan did a great job filming and the script and everything so it becomes less of a problem but for a Batman film, there could be a bit more action. And the action scenes we got, was kind of confusing. Like the first time Bats comes out and takes out those guys in the docks, I had no idea what the hell was going on.
Bruce wasn't the Bruce we know, they barely showed him as a Socialite Bruce, Nolan got no flack for not showing the charming and charismatic Bruce, he was actually more of a d*ck than the humanitarian playboy we have come to expect. But with Clark, they expect the Reeves version when he wasn't even working in the Daily Planet yet.
I know others will disagree but those are just some comparisons I could think of where Superman hate is just there because he is Superman. I guess Nolans shines better as a director than Snyder do too but some of those problems seems to get a pass with Batman while it becomes a huge problem with Superman.
He definitely gets scrutinized plenty. I mean everyone is looking for the Reeves Clark/Superman in MoS but they weren't looking for a Keaton in BB. I'm sure no one wants a Clooney or Kilmer Batman again so I won't count them.
And really, Nolans Batman isn't really the Bats we know. I mean really, he didn't do much detective work in any of the trilogy films. He used some gadgets like that scanning machine to determine the bullets trajectory or some other mumbo jumbo that pretty much led to nowhere in TDK. Hell the Joker was always one step ahead of him throughout the whole film and that is suppose to be Bats in his prime. Bruce couldn't even deduce who Crane was working for in BB and he couldn't deduce that Bane wasn't working alone in TDKR. He showed some signs but I seriously wouldn't mind seeing a film that is just full of detective work similar to the arc Hush.
It also lacked action if you really think about it. Nolan did a great job filming and the script and everything so it becomes less of a problem but for a Batman film, there could be a bit more action. And the action scenes we got, was kind of confusing. Like the first time Bats comes out and takes out those guys in the docks, I had no idea what the hell was going on.
Bruce wasn't the Bruce we know, they barely showed him as a Socialite Bruce, Nolan got no flack for not showing the charming and charismatic Bruce, he was actually more of a d*ck than the humanitarian playboy we have come to expect. But with Clark, they expect the Reeves version when he wasn't even working in the Daily Planet yet.
I know others will disagree but those are just some comparisons I could think of where Superman hate is just there because he is Superman. I guess Nolans shines better as a director than Snyder do too but some of those problems seems to get a pass with Batman while it becomes a huge problem with Superman.
My boy said, "NT is hatin' on Man of Steel." I said
I really liked it. I don't set through the roof expectations though either. What I do feel is that this did a good job of bringing about the story of his origin, which is probably its intentions. If I DO have great expectations, then it's for the next one. To me, this seemed like a setup to really get things going in movie two...Where the real stuff begins.
I do like the og Superman and the subsequent sequel. They were solid, for that time I suppose.
But I am absolutely THRILLED with what MOS is and can be. And I think that's part of the missing piece, is we don't know where it can lead. Batman Begins was very good, solid, but it wasn't until Dark Knight that it elevated Begins. The natural progression, Batman is getting better, but the criminals he must face are getting wiser/stronger too. Any holes that might have been in Begins, can be filled in the sequel and so on.
MOS did all that damage and people are complaining about it, that very well could be the backdrop for the sequel. They could literally open the movie with him helping build new buildings, a memorial for those that lost lives, he could be upset with himself, all sorts of angles they could play. We just haven't gotten there yet. Hell, we already saw the reports that the Blu Ray could be over 3 hours with added footage.
The boy scout Superman route is done, and played out. That was the late 70's, early 80's. Today is a completely new generation. I almost guarantee if he came out and was all dorky and four eyed and trippin all over hisself and then Zod came down pissed off and was takin over the White House and **** like that, people would flip out. There really was no way to win. So the best route, imo, was to do what they did. They told the story from today's perspective, and they did it by trying to instill the best values they could, represented wonderfully by Kevin Costner, along with a similar Bruce Wayne Batman Begins discover himself angle. Now we're set in a world where we see actual real life aliens, on Earth, dukin it out. Some bad, another tryin to help. And the real world has to figure out what that's all about.
The first Superman was 2 missle's launched at each coast. That was the "bad guy". The damn US government couldn't rally up some fighters to stop a missile traveling all the way across the country. THAT AIN'T GETTIN IT DONE IN 2013 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. Nolan/Snyder tried the same thing as Gotham, introducing a realistic approach to terrorism from some random nutjobs in Batman, dudes from Krypton in Superman. Not totally realistic, no damn aliens are landing in NY tomorrow, but as realistic as possible. That means destruction, deaths, damage, explosions, and the like. They aren't going to fight in Antarctica because Clark Kent asks.
Morrally, backdrop, storyline, action wise, casted, visually, this was the best Superman movie ever made. The only thing it can not top was the original 78 score. That 78 score gives you the shivers it was so good, so iconic. Everything else, MOS is better.
And the sequel will improve on the story, I have no doubt about it.
. If Snyder and Goyer are smart they'll do what Nolan did after the Joker intro in TDK showing in two minutes how Bats changed the landscape of Gotham. He had dudes scared to to hand-off drug exchanges . It wasn't much but effective enough to get the point across. . The good outweighed the bad for me and there are certain things left open which have me excited for the next film.
