Lebron James Is Ruining The Game For The Average Fan

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There you go ......You want to bring up the the Jordan vs David Robinson thing but not address whole thing I see you...lol

Your original statement was the Robinson was more deserving of the 1996 NBA MVP than Jordan. OK? :rolleyes

The crux of your argument was that the Spurs were so horrible in 1997 when the Robinson was out, while the 1994 Bulls were still a playoff team.
I told you the situations were different. 1997 Spurs lost Robinson during the season. They also lost 1996 All Star Elliott too. They also lost Chuck Person but I didn't mention him because Wilkins essentially was an upgrade to him. They were an older team so they couldn't trade for slight upgrades to their rotation like the 1994 Bulls did.

The 1994 Bulls while they lost Jordan, they picked up 4 upgrades pieces to their rotation plus MJ's "replacement" in Pete Myers. all those guys produced 48 PPG to offset the 51 PPG Jordan and the guys they replaced produced during 1993

Then I brought up the fact that Bulls were 22-47 when Jordan missed games over the course of his Bulls career. You discounted this, even though if you project Jordan playing those games, he missed they jump to the 6th seed and probably make the 2nd round because could have of avoided playing the eventually champion 1986 Celtics.

Then for some reason you brought up the Spurs going 5-9 when Robinson was out with a broken hand during 1992 season. I addressed this, Robinson missed those games but Willie Anderson who was a starter missed those games too. You don't remember Willie Anderson? Well I'm a Spurs fan and I do. Was Willie Anderson equal to David Robinson? Hell no! But when you lose an All Star, any help will do. If Willie Anderson is in the Spurs lineup maybe they win 2 more games in Robinson's absence to be 7-7 instead of 5-9. The 1992 Spurs were 3-3 with Anderson in the lineup without Robinson. I don't know.....who cares anyways they weren't going deep into the playoffs anyways. I'm a Spurs fan and I watched David Robinson play for many years. Your argument that David Robinson is anywhere close to Jordan in terms of value to a team is flat out foolish.

Now to this

So no player was ever led his team in points, rebounds and assists will good surrounding players? :lol:

Chris Webber did it in 2002-03 with All Star Peja Stojakovic, Mike Bibby and Bobby Jackson.

Kevin Garnett led his team in points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals in 2003 with Wally Szczerbiak. Was Wally an all-time great? No...But he was an All Star the previous season.

But those teams probably aren't stacked enough for you because they only featured one supporting All Star and a couple good players. So here are some better teams.

Bill Walton led his team in points, rebounds and assists and blocks in 1978 while collecting the 1978 NBA MVP. A team that was the reigning champion won 58 games a team that had All-NBA Maurice Lucas and All star Lionel Hollins.

Wilt Chamberlain led his team in points, rebounds, assists by significant margins in 1966,1967 and 1968. He would've led the league in blocks too if that was a recorded stat back then. He played with HOFers Hal Greer, Chet Walker, Billy Cunningham. Its thats not a stacked team, I don't know what is.

But I know you're going to want a more modern team that was stacked. Ok so here's one.

Larry Bird led on the 1986 BOston Celtics in points, rebounds, assists and steals. The 1986 Boston Celtics is widely guarded as the best team outside of the 1996 Bulls and 1972 Lakers. Dont believe me go look it up. Larry Bird accomplished that feat with Kevin McHale(HOF)Robert Parish(HOF)Dennis Johnson(HOF)and Danny Ainge. I shouldn't mention Danny Ainge because he wasn't in those other guys class but he was still an All Star level player.
Should I mention Bill Walton(HOF) who won the NBA Sixth Man of the Year, that year too? Nah he was kinda done at that point anyways but he was still good enough to give you 14 PPG, 12 RPG, 4APG and 2.5 BLKS per 36 minutes.

Mchale,Parish and Johnson weren't just names at that point either. They were All-NBA/All Star/All Defensive team level players. Larry Bird led those guys in points, rebounds, assists and steals. Not to mention all while basically being a 40/50/90 guy.

So what's my point Lebron isn't the only great player to achieve that accomplishment even with a stacked team. Stop acting like he revolutionized the game


So no historically great team has been at the bottom of the stat standing in important category? :lol:


The 2011 Mavericks were 23rd in steals, 24th blocks.
The 2006 Heat were 29th in free throw % and dead last in steals too. But lets be honest those aren't historically great teams. Both those of teams basically won the championship off gifts from the other teams star player(Lebron and Dirk respectively) So lets get to the historically great teams that were bad at an important stat.


The Back to Back Pistons were dead last in steals both years they won the championship. Which means they can't get the ball from the other team, thats a very important part of the game if you didn't know that. They were dead last in steals all the while being a muddling team in protecting the ball themselves, they finished 15th and 20th in turnovers out a 25 and 27 league team.


The 1986 Boston Celtics were 21st out of 23 NBA teams in free throw attempts. Thats an important part of the game, you know getting to the line ask D Wade. Not to mention they were 22nd in the NBA in committing the most personal fouls. You know mean to tell me they were horrible in getting to the free throw line but yet they fouled all the time? Wow. They were woeful on the offensive boards too. Ranked 22nd in that category. Despite all that they are an historically great team.

The 1985 Lakers were horrible at getting to the free throw line too,they ranked 21st.

the 1983 76ers were horrible in assists, they ranked 19th out of 23 teams. I don't know what that means....I guess Moses was dribbling down on the block too much:lol: All I know is, that you deem assists as very important category since you always bring up in regards to Lebron.

The 1982 Lakers were historically bad from the 3 point line but this is common knowledge if you follow the NBA at all, but I'm going to give that a pass since the 3 point shot was a relatively new weapon and why shoot threes when you have arguably the greatest player of all time on the block in Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Pat Riley is a great coach.

I'm sure there's more teams but I don't feel like going past the 1980s anyways as you basically told me one time, the league basically started with Magic and Bird. :rofl:


Also when you were cutting down Kobe. You said it wrong...its a volume shooter not scorer. A volume scorer is great. David Thompson 2.0, that comparison doesn't bother me. Give me a potential David Thompson over a potential Scottie Pippen any day.

So only Kobe Stans and trolls say Kobe's career overall is better than Lebron's?

I guess Larry Bird is a troll or Kobe Stan. Heres his quotes when asked the question of Kobe or Lebron.....

"Probably Kobe, because of the fact that ... well, of course he wouldn't have been shooting as much as he does now ... but his desire to win, his dedication, to always get better, and he's just, he's just tough," Bird said on Bill Simmons’ podcast. "He's just a tough cat if you want to have fun, like I did with Bill Walton, play with LeBron. It would have probably been more fun to play with LeBron, but if you want to win and win and win, it's Kobe. Not that LeBron's not a winner, just that (Kobe's) mindset is to go into every practice, every game, to get better."

Michael Jordan quotes on the subject ""Five beats one every time I look at it," Jordan said. "And not that (James) won't get five. He may get more than that, but five is bigger than one." I guess Jordan is a Kobe Stan. I know you're going to counter with some BS whine like "What does Jordan know he drafted Kwame and Adam Morrison"

Magic has said Kobe's career is better right now. Stephen A Smith says Kobe career is better right now too and you know what how Skip Bayless thinks. :lol: But I guess they are just Kobe Stans.

Shaq has played with both and says Kobe's career right now is better. Karl Malone said Kobe's career is better too. I'll give you a bone, I think Barkley and Bill Simmons said Lebron is better.

My point is, that it really is a great debate.

Is Lebron is a better player than Kobe right now? Yes thats a given Kobe is almost 35 years old. Nobody is arguing you that any more. Lebron certainly has a chance to catch or surpass Kobe in the collective heart and minds of people but he hasn't yet.

The 2000 NBA Finals, thats a standard talking point from the XtaLebronStan playbook and but you always omit that Kobe hurt his ankle in game 2. So lets look at game 1, was he awesome at scoring that game? No...he had 14 points on 46 % shooting. But his scoring wasn't needed instead he locked down All Star Reggie Miller causing him to have his playoff performance of his Hall of Fame career. Miller shot 1-16 while scoring a career playoff low of 7 points. Reggie Miller wasn't done at that point either he was 24 PPG scorer in the the 2000 NBA playoffs. In fact Miller went off for 33 points in the game Kobe missed. Kobe was hit clutch shots all during that series and not to mention a game winning putback in overtime of game 4.

The 2004 Finals aren't a highlight for Kobe but at least he had one great game during the series. Game 2, coincidentally the only game they won where he hit a game tying 3 pointer to send it to overtime. But I'd take that over Lebron's 2007 Finals performance 22 PPG while shooting .350 FG% and shooting 20 % from 3 point line all while giving you 6 turnovers a game.

Or Lebron's 2011 NBA Finals where he averaged 17 PPG when was a 27 PPG scorer during the regular season. Like wtf? Kobe may have put up bum numbers in 2004 NBA Finals but he was only 2PPG off his average. Lebron totally disappeared during the 4th quarter in pretty much ever game of the series, he was out there playing hot potato with Basketball. At least Kobe had the nuts to brick it. Lebron shrink from the moment like nothing we'd had ever WITNESSED in NBA history. Like seriously how does Lebron an all time great, shrink so much on the NBA's biggest stage. The Nike Basketball slogan for the 2011 NBA playoffs was EPIC. Well Lebron was an EPIC failure in the 2011 NBA Finals. I'm not even hating, thats what happened. Dont believe me, here are some other people who WITNESSED too

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/news/story?page=5-on-5-110608

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/...ington-cleveland-days-lebron-james-nba-finals

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6640925/time-lebrondown-part-ii

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/news/story?id=6641556

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/features/f...011-nba-finals-too-many-excuses-too-much-hate

http://www.sbnation.com/hamsandwich/2011/6/14/2223649/lebron-james-miami-heat-nba-finals-2011

If you're going to count 1999, 2012 and 2013 as years, Kobe couldve won the championship. I have to count 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010 as years Lebron's team couldve won the championship. Before you go off in typical Lebron Stan fashion talking about Donyell Marshall and Boogie Gibson. I said TEAMS. Lebron had good teams that catered to his strengths. I'm not talking about All Stars.

About Kobe's game 4 of 2001 Western Conference Semifinals. You asked me for a game that at the level of Lebron's 2012 game 6. I told you one. Now you want to cry about how badly the Heat needed that game.So now its Kobe fault, that him and Shaq had one of the most impressive playoff runs since The 1983 76ers "fo', fi', fo" Ok :lol:


Lebron shouldn't even needed to go to the game 6 against the Celtics in the first place! The Celtics were aging and you could argue if Avery Bradley could play, so he could defend Wade wouldve won the series. If Lebron didn't foul out in game 4 especially when Paul Pierce had already fouled out, that game was theirs. In game 5 if Lebron plays better defense doesn't let Paul Pierce hit the game winner, the Heat win too. Lebron should thank KG and that fan in Boston who poured beer on him to wake him up and was responsible for Lebron's game 6.


And I know you're going to want to compare teams.Those 2001 Kings were better than the 2012 Celtics. The Kings finished with a .671 winning pct that season. The Lakers finished .683 winning pct. The 2012 Heat had a .697, the 2012 Celtics had .591 winning pct. Why do I bring that up? The Heat were supposed to win the series! Handily

Also speaking how is it not the same statistically? You must not have eyes :lol:

You must have missed the part where Lebron shoots 55 pct from the line, while Kobe shot 90 pct from the line. Free throws are part of the game too, Luke!
Or we are going to omit the part where Kobe was perfect from 3 point range had 1 more rebound, 2 steals and 1 block while Lebron had none. Or we are going to leave out the part where Lebron has 2 more turnovers than Kobe.

The 2009 Magic had a better record than 2012 Thunder...thats a fact! Therefore they were a better team! I'm not talking about All Stars and all that other dumb stuff. I'm talking about a team and the 2009 Magic were better team.

And no Im not going to stick pins in a vodoo doll of Lebron :lol:

Where did I say Lebron isn't good? Show me....quote it to me. I've never said that.I didn't post anything bad about Lebron when he failed in 2009, 2010 and 2011. I actually felt bad for the guy. You've never seen me in the Heat haters thread. You need to understand the difference between somebody being a critic and hater.


Lebron is a great player but not everybody wants get on their knees unlike you and bow to his greatness. He's great but I can name 15 guys, you wouldn't be called foolish to take over him......Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Kobe, Duncan, Russell, Oscar, Hondo,Shaq,West, Dr.J, Hakeem, Moses.
 
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Didn't read but :lol: at putting Lebron in the same category as Bill Walton, Wilt, Lebron, C Webb and KG as a way to discredit the accomplishment
 
Dudes are posting their dissertations in here. :wow: :lol:


Seriously though you guys should start a blog and at least potentially make some money via traffic from the topics you guys are so clearly passionate about. Seriously I applaud your efforts in this discussion guys.
 
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ScottHallWithAPick said:
Didn't read but :lol: at putting Lebron in the same category as Bill Walton, Wilt, Lebron, C Webb and KG as a way to discredit the accomplishment
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Hahaha seriously. Dude wants to act like peja aka predrag or bibby was EVER on the levels of a d wade or bosh. Just stop.

Then he goes and talks about the magic being a better team than okc hahahahaha. Man even HE don't believe that bs he spewing. Kobe fans, smh, throughout this thread. Y'all are so insecure it's hilarious
 
OneTrust said:
ScottHallWithAPick said:
Didn't read but :lol: at putting Lebron in the same category as Bill Walton, Wilt, Lebron, C Webb and KG as a way to discredit the accomplishment
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Hahaha seriously. Dude wants to act like peja aka predrag or bibby was EVER on the levels of a d wade or bosh. Just stop.

Then he goes and talks about the magic being a better team than okc hahahahaha. Man even HE don't believe that bs he spewing. Kobe fans, smh, throughout this thread. Y'all are so insecure it's hilarious
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:lol: Way to pick out probably the 2 weakest points of the post. Seriously go post in the Kobe is overrated thread, then after that you can go to Warriors thread and back track about how you thought the team shouldve keep Monta Ellis over Stephen Curry :lol:

You're just mad because the Lakers used to whoop y'alls team routinely. I don't think I've ever met a Warriors fan that wasn't a Kobe/Laker hater. So don't come in here acting like you don't have an agenda. :lol:
 
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trunks206 said:
Dudes are posting their dissertations in here. :wow: :lol:


Seriously though you guys should start a blog and at least potentially make some money via traffic from the topics you guys are so clearly passionate about. Seriously I applaud your efforts in this discussion guys.
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:lol: I wasn't even trying to write a post that long
 
Y'all have to be getting paid by Method Man to write this much. I'm officially calling out Method Man for coercing LeBron Stan's and Kobe Stan's for going at each other in this type of way.

This can't be real, money has to involved somehow.
 
Wait, dude wants to give Lebron props from being the best rebounder on the worst rebounding team?
 
Mister Friendly said:
:lol: Way to pick out probably the 2 weakest points of the post. Seriously go post in the Kobe is overrated thread, then after that you can go to Warriors thread and back track about how you thought the team shouldve keep Monta Ellis over Stephen Curry :lol:

You're just mad because the Lakers used to whoop y'alls team routinely. I don't think I've ever met a Warriors fan that wasn't a Kobe/Laker hater. So don't come in here acting like you don't have an agenda. :lol:
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LOVE how you know dudes got sonned when they bring up something that has NOTHING to do with this thread. :rofl:

Don't get mad at me cause you came with a lame *** argument. Also, you'll NEVER see me back track on the Monta and Steph issue. I'm not one of them D Riding steph fans that think we're good because of him. We're good because we FINALLY have depth this year. Anyway that's a WHOLE other topic that has NOTHING to do with this thread anyway.

Sensitive *** kobe fans talking about agendas:lol: How ironic. Oh but i forgot, you're not even a "lebron hater" or a "Laker fan" as if we don't know you're a KOBE fan. Yeeaaahhh okaaay. Swear kobe fans always come with some lame stuff like that trying to show they ain't bias as if we don't see them in EVERY thread either hating on Lebron or Captain Saving Kobe.
 
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Mister Friendly said:
:lol: Way to pick out probably the 2 weakest points of the post. Seriously go post in the Kobe is overrated thread, then after that you can go to Warriors thread and back track about how you thought the team shouldve keep Monta Ellis over Stephen Curry :lol:

You're just mad because the Lakers used to whoop y'alls team routinely. I don't think I've ever met a Warriors fan that wasn't a Kobe/Laker hater. So don't come in here acting like you don't have an agenda. :lol:
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LOVE how you know dudes got sonned when they bring up something that has NOTHING to do with this thread. :rofl:

Don't get mad at me cause you came with a lame *** argument. Also, you'll NEVER see me back track on the Monta and Steph issue. I'm not one of them D Riding steph fans that think we're good because of him. We're good because we FINALLY have depth this year. Anyway that's a WHOLE other topic that has NOTHING to do with this thread anyway.

Sensitive *** kobe fans talking about agendas:lol: How ironic. Oh but i forgot, you're not even a "lebron hater" or a "Laker fan" as if we don't know you're a KOBE fan. Yeeaaahhh okaaay. Swear kobe fans always come with some lame stuff like that trying to show they ain't bias as if we don't see them in EVERY thread either hating on Lebron or Captain Saving Kobe.
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:lol: You stayed getting "SONNED" in the Kobe is overrated thread. Laker Hater thread with all other bum buddies. You're like forever butthurt from all those beatings your team took. You're Capt save a ? Oh forgot you don't have a favorite player.....you're just a sad hater. Carry on with your sad existence
 
idk what y'all are arguing about but the way most these threads go.
Kobe is more skilled lebron better at filling the stat sheet.
Lebron needed help to win like everyone else.
Lebron is the best player in the league.
 
Mister Friendly said:
:lol: You stayed getting "SONNED" in the Kobe is overrated thread. Laker Hater thread with all other bum buddies. You're like forever butthurt from all those beatings your team took. You're Capt save a ? Oh forgot you don't have a favorite player.....you're just a sad hater. Carry on with your sad existence
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Please, you STAY getting sonned throughout this forum and took another L in here and now wanna try and derail the thread with off topic stuff.:lol: Try again. Keep acting like you're not a "hater" too. Cracks me up. I just hope you do realize people see you in EVERY thread hating on Lebron and D Riding Kobe so stop playing that "I'm not biased" b.s card as if you're just a casual observer.
 
Lebron was always naturally big it not like he's massive like dwight I doubt he's using steroids especially since he never been injured bad.
 
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Tonight he went in no lie. But his triple double was still unnoticed. Who hits game winning lay ups lol!? Pacers were still the most entertaining team. And why does all brons interviews sound scripted?
 
You can easily tell who the average fans are who found excitement in that final play.

Yall need to start being real fans.
 
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