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Rivers =/= D'antoni
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Rivers =/= D'antoni
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You guys keep missing the point. THE ROSTER SUCKS. We know this. MDA has NEVER made defense a point of emphasis regardless of the personnel he had. PHX was all about 7 sec or less, the Knicks disaster and the past two seasons with us. It's never apparent that his teams have any idea on what to do on that end. That's the problem, we won't get back to parades only focusing on offense, it's never happened in league history, is that so hard to understand?
Just doing a quick glance, the highest his team has ever finished in defensive efficiency was 16th in 2006-2007. Just average at best with Matrix in his prime as a defensive player, it's never been his expertise or even worry, you going to tell me that roster sucked as well? Hell we were better defensively with Smush, Luke, and Chris Mihm starting that year.
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umm....
In 2002, D'Antoni made his return to the NBA as a Phoenix Suns assistant. In 2003, he was hired with 61 games left in the season as the head coach of the Phoenix Suns[sup][2][/sup] and, despite leading the team to a poor record in the second half of the year, he received a vote of confidence for producing inspired play from an injury riddled team. With the acquisition of free agent Steve Nash before the 2004-05 season, who was experienced in a run-and-gun style from his previous stint with the Dallas Mavericks, this began an incredible turnaround for the Phoenix Suns. Nash excelled running D'Antoni's pick-and-roll offense.[sup][3][/sup] D'Antoni won the NBA Coach of the Year Award after his Suns went 62–20 to finish first in the regular season
- Oct 8, 2005
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well if the roster sucks, then whats the point of firing mda now?
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seaman, you cannot be serious with that. at all
unless you are trying to prove LTB's point. in that case, awesome job.
unless you are trying to prove LTB's point. in that case, awesome job.
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Who the hell is saying fire him today?
We know that serves no purpose.
But we don't want him here when we do get better talent.
And we have to keep repeating 1000 times we KNOW THE ROSTER IS HORRIBLE.
Jesus, so much for a stress less day
- Mar 5, 2008
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I keep hearing this Mike D needs to go talk...
I completely agree might I add
But I still haven't seen anyone in here give a
list of realistic coaching options that could implement a system that could be championship successful for years to come
Until then this discussion is pointless
I completely agree might I add
But I still haven't seen anyone in here give a
list of realistic coaching options that could implement a system that could be championship successful for years to come
Until then this discussion is pointless
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won COTY? check
early in his career? check
team did better than expected? check
how are you going to bring that up about doc rivers as a way to say that hes better than dantoni?
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which imo, is not the smartest thing to do. give the man a better roster and let's see what he can do. if it doesn't pan out, then you can look at your coaching options
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MDA's COTY award was just about as legit as Nash's 2nd MVP award.
If you truly believe deep down that Nash deserved that 2nd MVP, then okay continue and believe MDA's a great coach.
At the end of the day Nash made him.
And ironically Nash is going to end his career.
Ouch
If you truly believe deep down that Nash deserved that 2nd MVP, then okay continue and believe MDA's a great coach.
At the end of the day Nash made him.
And ironically Nash is going to end his career.
Ouch
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how people support MDA is beyond me.
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jesus you guys will argue any damn thing
the whole point was that MDA needs perfect players. he won coty with nash, jj, amare, marion, barbosa etc....
doc won coty with 4 starters that were undrafted. he's proven he can win with bums and is capable of managing egos well enough to win a chip.
doc has proven himself in any circumstances. mda just has excuses. stop comparing the two
the whole point was that MDA needs perfect players. he won coty with nash, jj, amare, marion, barbosa etc....
doc won coty with 4 starters that were undrafted. he's proven he can win with bums and is capable of managing egos well enough to win a chip.
doc has proven himself in any circumstances. mda just has excuses. stop comparing the two
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so what makes dantoni's COTY award not legit?
they got nash who was an above average pg at best, nothing to write home about
expected to be a mid tier team in the west
ended up 62-20
33 more wins than last year
nash suddenly starts playing like an MVP (like how every other pg he has coached suddenly starts playing great)
they got nash who was an above average pg at best, nothing to write home about
expected to be a mid tier team in the west
ended up 62-20
33 more wins than last year
nash suddenly starts playing like an MVP (like how every other pg he has coached suddenly starts playing great)
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See this is why I mess with you gtb.
Even if we're not quite on the same side here, you at least present a calm reasonable train of thought which is not easy to disagree with.
I wouldn't mind seeing what he does next year considering I DONT want us to waste more money on coaches while he's under contract.
Do I want him here? Nope! But if he stays what can I say? It's not like we're going to be championship ready by next season right? Plus...
We're already in a crappy financial situation.
Already paying part of Mike browns contract still... And then we'd be paying MDA PLUS another coach if he's fired? UGH :x
Friday gtb > all other days.
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bruh...you have to either be trolling or an idiot if you don't get the point. if you want to keep arguing that's cool, but at least cede obviously lost points so you don't look like a jackass
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so almost making the playoffs but not quite is "winning with bums"?jesus you guys will argue any damn thing
the whole point was that MDA needs perfect players. he won coty with nash, jj, amare, marion, barbosa etc....
doc won coty with 4 starters that were undrafted. he's proven he can win with bums and is capable of managing egos well enough to win a chip.
doc has proven himself in any circumstances. mda just has excuses. stop comparing the two
dantoni needs to just change his name like MWP did, people see "mike dantoni" and blame everything on him
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Valid point.pmatic , just one question.
Are the players not supposed to be playing hard when they're all playing for contracts?
Even if Rck was the coach you don't think they'd still be playing hard considering they don't have a guaranteed spot on an nba roster next year?
I guess that's 2 questions.
You'd have to be a complete idiot not to play hard when millions of dollars on the line. No matter the coach.
I mean, after all... Like CP said, Pau's meaningless stats are only happening because the trade deadline passed and now he's playing for a contract. And he's clearly not a MDA guy.
Can't it be the same for the rest? Serious.
Okay, so it was 3 questions... Sue me
But in comparison to Brown, he is miles ahead to me in player relations (which happens to probably be his biggest weakness).
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what are lost points?
dantoni gets his players to play hard "its a contract year, nothing to do with dantoni"
brad stephens gets his players to play hard "hes a great coach look at how hard the celtics are playing!"
dantoni wins COTY early in his career "its the players! he got carried by nash! he didnt really earn that COTY"
doc rivers wins COTY early in his career "he carried those scrubs to almost making the playoffs, 41-41 proves that he can win with scrubs so he must be a good coach"
dantoni cant get pau gasol and kendall marshall to defend the pick and roll "mike doesnt care about defense, these guys look clueless out there"
phil jackson cant get pau gasol and fish to defen the pick and roll "pau sucks at D, fisher couldnt defend a traffic cone"
the double standard in here is ridiculous, if you're going to blame mike dantoni for something then blame other coaches for doing the same thing too.
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Valid point.
Are the players not supposed to be playing hard when they're all playing for contracts?
Even if Rck was the coach you don't think they'd still be playing hard considering they don't have a guaranteed spot on an nba roster next year?
I guess that's 2 questions.
You'd have to be a complete idiot not to play hard when millions of dollars on the line. No matter the coach.
I mean, after all... Like CP said, Pau's meaningless stats are only happening because the trade deadline passed and now he's playing for a contract. And he's clearly not a MDA guy.
Can't it be the same for the rest? Serious.
Okay, so it was 3 questions... Sue me
But in comparison to Brown, he is miles ahead to me in player relations (which happens to probably be his biggest weakness).
There's no disagreement there. I'm not
Comparing him to mike
Brown at all. I'm just saying.
CP says BUT WE WON IN PORTLAND JUST 2 NIGHTS AGO!
We'll... Yeah? And? Forgive me but didn't the 2 time defending champions lose to the SIXERS in the first week of the season? Didn't we nearly beat the THUNDER? Don't teams take the pedal off the metal some nights? Don't they get complacent? Doesn't Portland have a habit of playing down to competition this season on many occasions?
Haven't we always done the same? Don't the heat? Do fluky wins not ever happen in this game?
I'm just sayin how are we going to use ONE WIN as validation of great coaching... But we can't use the other 40 horrendous losses as validation of MEDIOCRE coaching?
So when we beat Portland... Man MDA what a coaching performance. He had us playing hard!
When we lose by 50 to the clippers?
it was just a statement by the clips, even Phil couldn't help us. Don't blame Mike for the roster C'mon mannnnnn
sea manup
really talkin double standards bro? What I just pointed out is the biggest double standard in this whole argument...
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Yes the roster is terrible, but when rivers actually had "perfect players" for his system he won a chip. MDA didn't
But anyway, no point to fire him right now. Finish off this tank season, maybe keep him around next year as well until we can get a decent roster.
Just let him hold us over this rebuild phase.
But anyway, no point to fire him right now. Finish off this tank season, maybe keep him around next year as well until we can get a decent roster.
Just let him hold us over this rebuild phase.
Mike D'Antoni is the only coach in NBA history to have beaten Phil Jackson in the playoffs twice.
What was the reason?
Talent.
So when I read "Mike isn't a fit with THIS team" And this team has garbage talent, IE, a bunch of players we don't really want to have main roles when we are good again, then why the need to get rid of the coach?
Get rid of the players
Get better players
And the coach starts winning.
Just like Doc in 2008.
Pop in 1997
Phil Jackson in 2008.
Etc etc.
What was the reason?
Talent.
So when I read "Mike isn't a fit with THIS team" And this team has garbage talent, IE, a bunch of players we don't really want to have main roles when we are good again, then why the need to get rid of the coach?
Get rid of the players
Get better players
And the coach starts winning.
Just like Doc in 2008.
Pop in 1997
Phil Jackson in 2008.
Etc etc.
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no one was talking about mdas coaching when we beat portland
it was only after people came in crying about last nights loss that it was brought up
no one here says dantoni is an all time great coach, but hes better than a lot of other coaches
if you cry about a 50 point loss and blame it on dantoni you have to expect that someone will counter that with an example where dantoni coached the team to a win
that doesnt meant that that person only notices dantonis coaching when he does something good, it means that that person is reminding you to look at the bigger picture
it was only after people came in crying about last nights loss that it was brought up
no one here says dantoni is an all time great coach, but hes better than a lot of other coaches
if you cry about a 50 point loss and blame it on dantoni you have to expect that someone will counter that with an example where dantoni coached the team to a win
that doesnt meant that that person only notices dantonis coaching when he does something good, it means that that person is reminding you to look at the bigger picture
