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do some 1's and make em a GR
other than that, go screw yourself JB
other than that, go screw yourself JB
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Who's buying all these J's fool? It's these kids you speak of. Whether or not they saw MJ play (and I hated the bastard) they know cool sneaks when they see them. Have you seen the Lebron 11 Elites? Are you kidding me? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Tinker probably got better stuff on the cutting room floor...
That's what happens when all your "new" products are based on originals from 20+ years back. And when the face of the brand is a 50+ year old man who hasn't played in 12 years. Either they sign a TRUE frontman and start designing new cutting edge shoes (like they used to) or they gonna start fading into oblivion. You just can't retro the same old stuff over and over again. Plus, the young kids wanna buy what the new stars are wearing on court, Jordan , for them, is just an old player they know from YouTube...and that can't last forever.
I guess I'm the only one that noticed every new "quality" shoe they've shown so far has been tumbled leather
All valid points without the "fool" part, which was uncalled for.
Who's buying all these J's fool? It's these kids you speak of. Whether or not they saw MJ play (and I hated the bastard) they know cool sneaks when they see them. Have you seen the Lebron 11 Elites? Are you kidding me? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Tinker probably got better stuff on the cutting room floor...
I guess I'm the only one that noticed every new "quality" shoe they've shown so far has been tumbled leather
I thought the 03 black/red 12's and the flint 12's (04?) were better quality than my OG Taxi's. Crucify me...Seems like it went back further than that...I recall the IV releases of 06' getting tons of complaints due to their lackluster quality...Specifically the "Mars" and Military Blue colorways...To me the very last quality retro, at least in terms of being on par with their OG counterparts, were the Black / Red XII's that dropped in 2003...Not saying every release after that was horrible but as far as purchases that I've made that was the very last quality pair...It just seems like everything started, very slowly, going downhill after that...Of course when we hit the CDP's the quality of materials just took a nose dive...
had both of them but never had the taxi's till the cdp dropped. Can't say if your right on that but the quality on the retro's back in 04-05 are top notch. Makes me wonder why they didn't put the 3M in the 13's when they got retro'd again not too long ago..
I thought the 03 black/red 12's and the flint 12's (04?) were better quality than my OG Taxi's. Crucify me...
lol yeah those 13's are a sore spot. I don't understand it either...
had both of them but never had the taxi's till the cdp dropped. Can't say if your right on that but the quality on the retro's back in 04-05 are top notch. Makes me wonder why they didn't put the 3M in the 13's when they got retro'd again not too long ago..
I thought the 03 black/red 12's and the flint 12's (04?) were better quality than my OG Taxi's. Crucify me...Seems like it went back further than that...I recall the IV releases of 06' getting tons of complaints due to their lackluster quality...Specifically the "Mars" and Military Blue colorways...To me the very last quality retro, at least in terms of being on par with their OG counterparts, were the Black / Red XII's that dropped in 2003...Not saying every release after that was horrible but as far as purchases that I've made that was the very last quality pair...It just seems like everything started, very slowly, going downhill after that...Of course when we hit the CDP's the quality of materials just took a nose dive...
While I think this method would be ideal for the small amount of people who are truly passionate about sneakers, I think it would kill the hype for the average consumer. Currently people try to buy things that they don't want hoping to trade for the shoe they want, since they can't expect to be able to succeed on release day. Nike has figured out how to sell you what you openly admit you don't want. And most people are attracted to the exclusivity, even if an exclusive sneaker releases every Saturday. The only way I see this happening is more like Nike ID, with an even bigger upcharge for any numbered retro.
I honestly think JB is hitting the law of diminishing return...meaning this is about as good as it will get due to demand, quantities, and manufacturing philosophy.
They need to switch to the made-to-order philosophy like Apple, which is based upon pre-orders. Then just back fill the rest. That is a tried and proven manufacturing process that works. And nothing has higher demand that a new Apple product. The buzz and hype will still be there because of social media. Nothing would change except everybody that WANTS the shoe will eventually receive their pair.
Another reason for this is simply the cost of doing business in China is going up at an astronomical rate. GDP per head in 2000 was $949, in 2012 it was $6091, over a billion people this is a big increase (though slowed in recent years). A stagnant manufacturing wage in China would buy significantly less quality year by year. While I'm not an expert, I've heard a lot of this manufacturing is moving towards Vietnam, the Phillipines, and may be pushing into Africa in the near future.
they been known that tho, it's always those people in threads complaining about quality comparing to the OGs. Making sure we don't forgetThe funny part is kids will be looking at their "collections" no knowing they have the lesser models of each shoe. These "remastered" pairs are like the holographic Pokemon card nowThe regular pairs are all trash now
It's so many fakes or unauthorized Jordan's that are up to par with what JB is putting out today. I believe the new quality 2015 is a way to show that fakes and unauthorized factories can't compete. Little do they know is the quality of the fakes are going to improve also.
its funny how all these years they gave us shabby quality with a pice increase,now they are gonna give us better quality with yet another price hike! so.. did they make more than enough money off of us buying crappy quality,that they can give us product closer to the OG models now? and yes with a 10%-15% price increse,and so-call better tech an quality, they will still sell out,maybe even faster. i to want better quality for my money,but this!I am happy Brand Jordan is trying to improve the quality and craftsmanship of the retros, I really and truly am, but I'm still salty over some of the horrendous quality in certain shoes for I'd say honestly the past 8 years really. I mean, this took them almost a decade to get right consistently? And to top that off prices are being raised to possibly $200 for a pair of 4's with 80's tech?
I'm sorry I always seem to side with Nike/Brand Jordan but not this time, because this is like a gimmick to me. So what they are saying is that all of the retros from now until next summer 2015 are inferior to what they have planned for 2015 retros, and we are still paying $170 plus tax, like thats cheap or sumthin. I know we have an option to purchase or not, and these are simply opinions. I honestly will more than likely still get my fair share of retros, but I'm kinda disgusted that they actually admit to their foolishness and will not make immediate changes.
And most of us in here are straight suckers for getting played and sayin we would gladly pay $200 for some retros. Jus saying somethin like that sounds stupid, and I've read that countless times in this thread alone. These ain't Pradas, or Louis Vuittons, and I can't get into Blue Martini with these. So tell me why are they priced like they are, I mean hey Nike seems to want to weed out a certain segment of consumers, and hell no I will not pay $200 every other release, like I would've had it stayed at the still ridiculous $170.