IS KOBE BRYANT...OVERRATED?

[acbboyz84]

Kobe is so overrated that EPSN ranked him the best player of 2000s era.

Jordan= Best of 90s
Kobe= Best of 2000s



At the end of the day. Kobe legacy and accomplishment is already set in stone for future generation while nobody will care for his haters

If he retire today. He is already a legend and will be talk about for decades lol

Love it

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

Kobe is so overrated that EPSN ranked him the best player of 2000s era.

Jordan= Best of 90s
Kobe= Best of 2000s



At the end of the day. Kobe legacy and accomplishment is already set in stone for future generation while nobody will care for his haters

If he retire today. He is already a legend and will be talk about for decades lol

Love it

get off your knees

 

[mr j 858]

get off your knees

Keep sippin the:

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[longstroke]

Kobe retires today, he wont be missed.

Not a peep outside of LA.

Jordan retired, league wide teams had a hard time selling season tickets, and television contracts were not renewed.

Dr. J came to town, sell outs even during the worst economic times, even in a so called inferior league.

Kobe Bryant in his prime. 

Who cares?

Laker fans.

 

[essential1]

If you want to talk about Ratings. But not explore any possible explanation as to why ratings would go down, and not explore the changes in television. Or the changes in culture as a whole, you lost.

 

[longstroke]

If you want to talk about Ratings. But not explore any possible explanation as to why ratings would go down, and not explore the changes in television. Or the changes in culture as a whole, you lost.

When Dr. J retired, Magic and Larry took over, ratings went up.

Magic retired, the first time, and then Larry, and ratings continued to rise due to Jordan's excellence. This is well documented.

Jordan retires, and you Kobe fans are saying that he is just as good, then also just as much in demand, and the ratings continue to drop, ticket sales drop as well. They didn't level off, they dropped off of cliff. Not just a little, but read the link about it, there was a significant drop off.

Coincidence?

The guy is just not that watchable. This is supposedly the best player, and nobody cares. 

Now LeBron is doing his thing, and the Heat is the hottest ticket in the NBA.

Kobe Bryant is not must see TV.

 

[mr j 858]

Kobe retires today, he wont be missed.

Not a peep outside of LA.

Jordan retired, league wide teams had a hard time selling season tickets, and television contracts were not renewed.

Dr. J came to town, sell outs even during the worst economic times, even in a so called inferior league.

Kobe Bryant in his prime. 

Who cares?

Laker fans.

Yeah because so many people are dying and are lost with AI no longer being in the league.

Only people who are about that life and the whole hip hop, ghetto look, and mainly people in Philly & Virginia where AI is from are only people who seriously care & miss that fool.

Kobe is a LEGEND and will be remembered 30+ years from now.

AI on other hand won't be.

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

get off your knees

Keep sippin the:

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pour me a glass idgaf

 

[longstroke]

[h3]POST-JORDAN DECLINE[/h3]
The retirement of Michael Jordan set in motion the decline in NBA ratings which continues today. Ratings for the 1999 NBA Finals  (which in fairness, came after a lockout shortened season) were down significantly from the previous year, from an 18.7 to an 11.3. Primetime regular season games, which had become fairly routine (and highly-rated) during the Jordan years, set record lows for NBC once Jordan retired. With the rise of the Los Angeles Lakers  in the early part of the 2000s (decade), ratings improved, but never to the level of the 1980s or 1990s.The highest NBA Finals ratings on NBC after Jordan left was the 2001 Finals, which featured the dominant and then-defending champion Lakers with Shaq and Kobe Bryant  versus the polarizing Allen Iverson  and the underdog Philadelphia 76ers. The ratings for that series were a 12.1, still down 35 percent from 1998. NBC's last Finals, in 2002, came after a resurgence in playoff ratings (including a 14.2 rating for Game 7 of the Western Conference Finals). However, the Finals itself registered the lowest ratings the event had seen since 1981, topping out at a 10.2 average.

 

[essential1]

If you want to talk about Ratings. But not explore any possible explanation as to why ratings would go down, and not explore the changes in television. Or the changes in culture as a whole, you lost.

When Dr. J retired, Magic and Larry took over, ratings went up.

Magic retired, the first time, and then Larry, and ratings continued to rise due to Jordan's excellence. This is well documented.

Jordan retires, and you Kobe fans are saying that he is just as good, then also just as much in demand, and the ratings continue to drop, ticket sales drop as well.

Coincidence?

Now LeBron is doing his thing, and the Heat is the hottest ticket in the NBA.

Kobe Bryant is not must see TV.

2010 finals had a higher rating than the 2011 and the 2012 finals.. It's okay. Let that soak in.

If you don't understand that no one care about a 2 week long finals. Where there are 2 days between games. 100s of other channels. Many of which are headed toward their series finals in June. Or other channels headed to Summer Season premiers.

Also the rise of streaming that puts hundreds of movies and television shows at your finger tips.

Or even the internet giving you everything you need to know.

Also a complete change in youth culture of social media.

A younger, more fickle audience than ever before.

Look at the World Series, those ratings have tanked in the past 20 years.

The fact that your argument is hinged on TV Ratings and Ticket Sales. And ignore any part of the changing outside world is nonsense.

1990s world is nothing like 2000s world. And 2010s world will be nothing like the previous decade. Cultural change comes at a much faster rate than it ever has before.

Your argument is nonsense because you first make an argument about impact. Which has nothing to do with how good a player is. Yet hold everything even, as if the world hasn't changed one bit from 1998 to 2012.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Kobe retires today, he wont be missed.

Not a peep outside of LA.

Jordan retired, league wide teams had a hard time selling season tickets, and television contracts were not renewed.

Dr. J came to town, sell outs even during the worst economic times, even in a so called inferior league.

Kobe Bryant in his prime. 

Who cares?

Laker fans.

So you really gon act when the Lakers go to Denver, Utah, NY and other places theres not a lot of Laker fans in there. **** I remeber one year in Boston they were chanting MVP for Kobe. Dude is really in here talking about ratings. Of course rating are gonna go down when the GOAT retires. So is everybody after the MJ era overrated?


The reaching in here is hilarious.

 

[longstroke]

Yeah because so many people are dying and are lost with AI no longer being in the league.
Only people who are about that life and the whole hip hop, ghetto look, and mainly people in Philly & Virginia where AI is from are only people who seriously care & miss that fool.
Kobe will is a LEGEND and will be remembered 30+ years from now.
AI on other hand won't be.

I'll tell you what Kobe Bryant will be most remembered for...

...his beef with Shaq, being booed at the Philly all star game, his incident in Colorado.

That's about it.

 

[mr j 858]

When Dr. J retired, Magic and Larry took over, ratings went up.

Magic retired, the first time, and then Larry, and ratings continued to rise due to Jordan's excellence. This is well documented.

Jordan retires, and you Kobe fans are saying that he is just as good, then also just as much in demand, and the ratings continue to drop, ticket sales drop as well. They didn't level off, they dropped off of cliff. Not just a little, but read the link about it, there was a significant drop off.

Coincidence?

The guy is just not that watchable. This is supposedly the best player, and nobody cares. 

Now LeBron is doing his thing, and the Heat is the hottest ticket in the NBA.

Kobe Bryant is not must see TV.

Kobe in his 2nd year in the league when he wasn't even starting for the Lakers got voted in as a starter for the 1998 all-star game.Where everyone knows that the starters are voted in by the fans.

Your an idiot claiming Kobe was never popular with regular non Laker NBA fans and that he was not the face of the NBA.

Dude for years has been out selling every other player in Jersey sales in Asia & Europe also.

 

[longstroke]

So you really gon act when the Lakers go to Denver, Utah, NY and other places theres not a lot of Laker fans in there. **** I remeber one year in Boston they were chanting MVP for Kobe. Dude is really in here talking about ratings. Of course rating are gonna go down when the GOAT retires. So is everybody after the MJ era overrated?
The reaching in here is hilarious.

It's no reach, especially when the ratings are higher when LeBron plays.

Who actually built and then carried the league? Who are the players that people, fans league wide, pay to see, or arrange their evening to catch a game at home?

Kobe is not that guy. 

Mikan was, Wilt was, Russ was, Oscar was, Kareem was, Doc most def was, Larry and Magic was, as was MJ.

That's nine. 

Those cats are all timers, all time greats, do any of you actually think that Kobe Bryant belongs there?

It doesn't even SOUND right.

 

[essential1]

So you really gon act when the Lakers go to Denver, Utah, NY and other places theres not a lot of Laker fans in there. **** I remeber one year in Boston they were chanting MVP for Kobe. Dude is really in here talking about ratings. Of course rating are gonna go down when the GOAT retires. So is everybody after the MJ era overrated?

The reaching in here is hilarious.

It's no reach, especially when the ratings are higher when LeBron plays.

Who actually built and then carried the league? Who are the players that people, fans league wide, pay to see, or arrange their evening to catch a game at home?

Kobe is not that guy. 

Mikan was, Wilt was, Russ was, Oscar was, Kareem was, Doc most def was, Larry and Magic was, as was MJ.

That's nine. 

Those cats are all timers, all time greats, do any of you actually think that Kobe Bryant belongs there?

It doesn't even SOUND right.

Again 2010 Finals Ratings > 2011 & 2012. And since Lebron has a ring those ratings will go down again if there is another finals appearance.

George Mikan IS NOT A top 10!!!! Stop.

Just stop right there. And don't make an argument again.

 

[ohmygosher]

And neither will the other side.

Not really seeing your point.

Edit:

And I don't understand why you guys take coach hubie serious.

Son got ether'd in the zkviii thread.

Got him so worked that he started posting fake videos.

Just remember this, you remember the name Coach Hubie, but he does not remember you.

Now think about who really got ether'd

Don't flatter yourself.

You have an Adidas avy and are constantly in the Nike shoe threads talking about how horrible their shoes are.

Old gimmick, is old.

But to answer your question, YOU got ether'd.

Had you requesting a friendly quit.

 

[longstroke]

Kobe in his 2nd year in the league when he wasn't even starting for the Lakers got voted in as a starter for the 1998 all-star game.Where everyone knows that the starters are voted in by the fans.
Your an idiot claiming Kobe was never popular with regular non Laker NBA fans and that he was not the face of the NBA.
Dude for years has been out selling every other player in Jersey sales in Asia & Europe also.

Now see, if I said something like this, I'd get a warning and suspension. Hell, I got one by simply mentioning that Kobe Bryant allowed Mike Brown to get fired, therefore was responsible.

The inconsistency is ridiculous.

 

[longstroke]

Don't flatter yourself.
You have an Adidas avy and are constantly in the Nike shoe threads talking about how horrible their shoes are.
Old gimmick, is old.
But to answer your question, YOU got ether'd.
Had you requesting a friendly quit.

I don't know who you are.

I think that says enough.

However, you know who I may be.

That says even more.

Carry on.

 

[longstroke]

Again 2010 Finals Ratings > 2011 & 2012. And since Lebron has a ring those ratings will go down again if there is another finals appearance.
George Mikan IS NOT A top 10!!!! Stop.
Just stop right there. And don't make an argument again.

Without George Mikan, there would NOT be an NBA.

Do your research.

[h3]Minneapolis Lakers (1947–56)[/h3]
In 1949, the BAA and NBL merged to form the NBA. The new league started the inaugural 1949–50 NBA season  with 17 teams, with the Lakers in the Central Division. Mikan again was dominant, averaging 27.4 points per game and 2.9 assists per game and taking another scoring title;[sup][7][/sup]  only Alex Groza  of Indianapolis also broke the 20-point-barrier that year.[sup][1][/sup]  After comfortably leading his team to an impressive 51–17 record and storming through the playoffs, Mikan's team played the 1950 NBA Finals  against the Syracuse Nationals. In Game 1, the Lakers beat Syracuse on their home court when Lakers reserve guard  Bob Harrison  hit a 40-foot buzzer beater  to give Minneapolis a two-point win. The team split the next four games, and in Game 6, the Lakers won 110–95 and won the first-ever NBA championship. Mikan scored 31.3 points per game in the playoffs.[sup][1][/sup]

In the 1950–51 NBA season, Mikan was dominant again, scoring a career-best 28.4 points per game in the regular season, again taking the scoring crown, and had 3.1 assists per game.[sup][7][/sup]  In that year, the NBA introduced a new statistic: rebounds. In this category, the 6-foot-10 Mikan also stood out, his 14.1 rebounds per game  (rpg) only second to the 16.4 rpg of Dolph Schayes of Syracuse.[sup][7][/sup]  In that year, Mikan participated in one of the most notorious NBA games ever played. When the Fort Wayne Pistons  played against his Lakers, the Pistons took a 19–18 lead. Afraid that Mikan would mount a comeback if he got the ball, the Pistons passed the ball around without any attempt to score a basket.[sup][8][/sup]  With no shot clock invented yet to force them into offense, the score stayed 19–18 to make it the lowest-scoring NBA game of all time. This game was an important factor in the development of the shot clock, which was introduced four years later. Mikan had scored 15 of the Lakers' 18 points, thus scoring 83.3% of his team's points, setting an NBA all-time record which will probably never be broken.[sup][8][/sup]  In the post season, Mikan fractured his leg before the 1951 Western Division Finals against the Rochester Royals. With Mikan hardly able to move all series long, the Royals won 3–1. Decades later, in 1990, Mikan recalled that his leg was taped with a plate; however despite effectively hopping around the court on one foot, he said he still averaged 20-odd points per game.[sup][1][/sup]

 

[Maximus Meridius]

So you really gon act when the Lakers go to Denver, Utah, NY and other places theres not a lot of Laker fans in there. **** I remeber one year in Boston they were chanting MVP for Kobe. Dude is really in here talking about ratings. Of course rating are gonna go down when the GOAT retires. So is everybody after the MJ era overrated?

The reaching in here is hilarious.

It's no reach, especially when the ratings are higher when LeBron plays.

Who actually built and then carried the league? Who are the players that people, fans league wide, pay to see, or arrange their evening to catch a game at home?

Kobe is not that guy. 

Mikan was, Wilt was, Russ was, Oscar was, Kareem was, Doc most def was, Larry and Magic was, as was MJ.

That's nine. 

Those cats are all timers, all time greats, do any of you actually think that Kobe Bryant belongs there?

It doesn't even SOUND right.

Only 3 of those dudes have more rings than Kobe and he's about to be the youngest to reach 30k points. If you dont think he's an all time great you must be out your rabbit *** mind.

 

[darthska]

[quote name="marath0n"]Only on NT [/quote]If you honestly believe that, then you clearly don't talk about basketball w/ anyone.

 

[longstroke]

Only 3 of those dudes have more rings than Kobe and he's about to be the youngest to reach 30k points. If you dont think he's an all time great you must be out your rabbit *** mind.

How many rings does Robert Horry have?

Top ten?

 

[acbboyz84]

How exactly do you measure rating?

And it is well documented where ever Kobe play. It's either sold out arena or the fan of the opposite team chanting Kobe MVP. Sacramento, Dallas, Milwakee, Washington etc lol too funny. Youtube clips are everywhere. You don't see fans of the opposite team do that to Lebron or any other stars lol

Not sure where Longstroke get his rating from. Oh must be from his buttock

 

[essential1]

Again 2010 Finals Ratings > 2011

Without George Mikan, there would NOT be an NBA.
Do your research.

[h3]Minneapolis Lakers (1947–56)[/h3]


In 1949, the BAA and NBL merged to form the NBA. The new league started the inaugural 1949–50 NBA season
 with 17 teams, with the Lakers in the Central Division
. Mikan again was dominant, averaging 27.4 points per game and 2.9 assists per game and taking another scoring title;[sup][7]
[/sup]
 only Alex Groza
 of Indianapolis also broke the 20-point-barrier that year.[sup][1]
[/sup]
 After comfortably leading his team to an impressive 51–17 record and storming through the playoffs
, Mikan's team played the 1950 NBA Finals
 against the Syracuse Nationals
. In Game 1, the Lakers beat Syracuse on their home court when Lakers reserve guard
 Bob Harrison
 hit a 40-foot buzzer beater
 to give Minneapolis a two-point win. The team split the next four games, and in Game 6, the Lakers won 110–95 and won the first-ever NBA championship. Mikan scored 31.3 points per game in the playoffs.[sup][1]
[/sup]



In the 1950–51 NBA season
, Mikan was dominant again, scoring a career-best 28.4 points per game in the regular season, again taking the scoring crown, and had 3.1 assists per game.[sup][7]
[/sup]
 In that year, the NBA introduced a new statistic: rebounds
. In this category, the 6-foot-10 Mikan also stood out, his 14.1 rebounds per game
 (rpg) only second to the 16.4 rpg of Dolph Schayes of Syracuse.[sup][7]
[/sup]
 In that year, Mikan participated in one of the most notorious NBA games ever played. When the Fort Wayne Pistons
 played against his Lakers, the Pistons took a 19–18 lead. Afraid that Mikan would mount a comeback if he got the ball, the Pistons passed the ball around without any attempt to score a basket.[sup][8]
[/sup]
 With no shot clock invented yet to force them into offense, the score stayed 19–18 to make it the lowest-scoring NBA game of all time. This game was an important factor in the development of the shot clock, which was introduced four years later. Mikan had scored 15 of the Lakers' 18 points, thus scoring 83.3% of his team's points, setting an NBA all-time record which will probably never be broken.[sup][8]
[/sup]
 In the post season, Mikan fractured his leg before the 1951 Western Division Finals against the Rochester Royals. With Mikan hardly able to move all series long, the Royals won 3–1. Decades later, in 1990, Mikan recalled that his leg was taped with a plate; however despite effectively hopping around the court on one foot, he said he still averaged 20-odd points per game.[sup][1]
[/sup]

That makes no damn difference.

We're talking about the greatest players of all time.

Impact has NO BEARING on how good a player is.

George Mikan hasn't been Top 10 since 85.

Again if Impact is the sole bearing of "Who is the Greatest Players of All Time" we gotta put Chris Webber, Juwan Howard & Jalen Rose top 25.

That is why your argument is nonsense.

And Lebron would still be outside of 20 if this is really what we're talking about in impact.

Impact =/= How Good A Player Is.

 

[acbboyz84]

They are already planning where they going to put a statue of Kobe in front of Staple. The Hollywood walk of fame, HoF speech, etc as we speak.

LOL Kobe must be really overrated they're already blowing up Mount Rushmore to put Kobe name on there lol too funny