IF blacks never was enslaved... (lets discuss politics)

[offwhitewhite]

What kind of music do they listen to?

Who do they emulate on the playgrounds in Europe?

Last time I was in France, most recently at the Jordan Brand QUAI event, I saw all sorts of Black influence, all over the place.

Same in Germany, and most definitely Italy.

It's not just about tight clothes 

....how'd that become Euro anyway?

Hip hop has been adapting Euro Pop in it's music for the past decade. Nicki Minaj became white to sell records.

Dubstep is the hottest genre at the moment. 

Soccer is the most popular sport in the world. Basketball and football are my favorite sports though.

You were at a Jordan Brand event and saw black influence? You don't say.

Clothes by European designers are the most worn and sought after clothing. Besides Polo and Nike that's all everyone wears.

I have nothing against black culture. My favorite athletes, singers, rappers, even genre are black. 

 

[longstroke]

Hip hop has been adapting Euro Pop in it's music for the past decade. Nicki Minaj became white to sell records.

Dubstep is the hottest genre at the moment. 

Soccer is the most popular sport in the world. Basketball and football are my favorite sports though.

You were at a Jordan Brand event and saw black influence? You don't say.

Clothes by European designers are the most worn and sought after clothing. Besides Polo and Nike that's all everyone wears.

What's at the core of HIP HOP, and what are the origins?

Nicki Minaj is only doing what Grace Jones and LaBelle were doing in the seventies.

Without James Brown, you would not have dubstep, as all of that falls on the ONE, if you know what that means.

Soccer is now exclusively European?

Euro designers have always been hot since the sixties, but what are their influences?

 

[longstroke]

Blacks complain way too much .

You do realize that there were other people enslaved right ?

Polynesians enslaved other Polynesians , i guess that's why they're so big .

But yeah , Blacks act as if they were the only ones treated bad back then .

Yet another argument through ignorance.

Was the economy of the western world developed due the those horrible acts?

 

[DrizzyNYC]

Blacks complain way too much .
You do realize that there were other people enslaved right ?

Polynesians enslaved other Polynesians , i guess that's why they're so big .
But yeah , Blacks act as if they were the only ones treated bad back then .

Troll alert.... I'm guessing u made this new screen name not to long ago to post here huh....

 

[eyedea]

If blacks never were enslaved, then the OP would have used proper English when creating this thread.

/thread

 

[offwhitewhite]

What's at the core of HIP HOP, and what are the origins?

Nicki Minaj is only doing what Grace Jones and LaBelle were doing in the seventies.

Without James Brown, you would not have dubstep, as all of that falls on the ONE, if you know what that means.

Soccer is now exclusively European?

Euro designers have always been hot since the sixties, but what are their influences?

All I did was dispute your point that blacks are the most influential culture in the world. They were at a point in AMERICA, but not anymore. 

Now you're trying to trace everything back to black roots.  If that's the case there's no point in having a discussion with you because I know your answer to everything. 

It's really a selfish and childish way to think that everything that everyone does is influenced by you in some way, shape, or form. 

Believe it or not, people have their own cultures that they pull inspiration from. How could Euo designers be inspired by people that are wearing THEIR clothes? 

 

[longstroke]

All I did was dispute your point that blacks are the most influential culture in the world. They were at a point in AMERICA, but not anymore. 

Now you're trying to trace everything back to black roots.  If that's the case there's no point in having a discussion with you because I know your answer to everything. 

It's really a selfish and childish way to think that everything that everyone does is influenced by you in some way, shape, or form. 

Believe it or not, people have their own cultures that they pull inspiration from. How could Euo designers be inspired by people that are wearing THEIR clothes? 

Do you really want to go there?

I'd say that it's selfish and childish to live in denial.

 

[longstroke]

Anyone see anything familiar? I think you'll see some Gaga up in there as well.

 

[longstroke]

Dubstep?

 

[gtek]

Just to answer. What makes the exploited experience of European Trans-Atlantic Slavery unique was that not only was it the by-product of a founding internationalist trade system begetting required mandated labor for the extraction of new found resources within of the "New World". But the conception of a slave went from being a caste status to a resource/commodity likeness to be extracted, traded, and discarded if need be as a useless crop or tool (Which is eventually what happened). In other words the dehumanization process that was partaken on behalf of the African slave was unlike any other condition ever applied to a member of a slave class. There was not the opportunity for sharing in common citizenship as on the behalf of a feudal slave, for The Trans-Atlantic Slave was made to become stateless, nameless, and faceless. A flesh covered machine only useful for mechanization. Hence the eradication of African customs and cultural norms and being replaced with European rationalizations. i.e "Negro Myth" ,"Savageness" so on. This also can reflected in terms of the types of physical abuse that was applied unto African slaves in America alongside the psychological distortion.

 

[futuremd]

Blacks complain way too much .

You do realize that there were other people enslaved right ?

Polynesians enslaved other Polynesians , i guess that's why they're so big .

But yeah , Blacks act as if they were the only ones treated bad back then .

strong username to avy ratio.

 

[offwhitewhite]

Do you really want to go there?

I'd say that it's selfish and childish to live in denial.

Living in denial of what? When I see people like you post it really kills me inside. You know nothing of me or where I come from. How could you say I'm living in denial when it looks like you're the one who suffers from a inferiority complex. The fact that you have to trace everything a non black person did back to a black person proves my point. It's disrespectful and discredits everyone else's culture. You know music existed before blacks in America were doing it right?

I'm just telling you that you don't have as much influence as you think.  It's not a negative or positive thing. 

I have to go though. Cheers. 

BONUS:

This is where James Brown and them got their inspiration from. 

 

[Extrait de Minimalisme]

As much as I want to read thru all 17 pages.. I'll spare my self the ignorance. 

People always trying to water down the act of the Atlantic Slave trade with other baseless arguments. I don't even think most blacks can intelligently comprehend how grave it was then, and the ills from it, we still face today. So I surely don't expect the ignorant majority to understand.

 

[gtek]

Do Blacks withhold the most influential culture in the world? A TON of things wrong with that question. First off what is BLACK culture? How can culture be grouped into one racial category? Culture is a human trait and in many cases transcends race and ethnicity out of its racist archetypal accepted norm. In the form of comparison it may seem as though
"Blacks", indeed Africans, can be attributed as the originators of MOST cultural traits and practices (which is true), but its only because at one point and time all humans were "black". Who has the best culture is indeed a STUPID and paradoxical argument in where "quantitative" differences are mistaken for "qualitative" differences.

 

[longstroke]

Living in denial of what? When I see people like you post it really kills me inside. You know nothing of me or where I come from. How could you say I'm living in denial when it looks like you're the one who suffers from a inferiority complex. The fact that you have to trace everything a non black person did back to a black person proves my point. It's disrespectful and discredits everyone else's culture. You know music existed before blacks in America were doing it right?

I'm just telling you that you don't have as much influence as you think.  It's not a negative or positive thing. 

I have to go though. Cheers. 

BONUS:

This is where James Brown and them got their inspiration from. 

Of course you have to go. Cause you know that I am about to get all up in ya'....

but Wednesday is breaking those mashed potatoes down though....

Funny thing about this is that, she IS imitating James Brown as the Addams family came out in 1964.

Back in 1963, James broke out the Mashed Potato for all the world to see in this show below show called the TAMI Show,  which was famous due to James making Mick Jagger pee his pants before coming on stage, then not wanting to follow Soul Brother Number 1...

...so this proves yet another BLACK influence....

 

[longstroke]

 

[ohmygosher]

Dubstep?

You do know what dubstep is, right?

 

[ohmygosher]

I was trying to hit the report button and ended up repping "blackknight".

 

[longstroke]

You do know what dubstep is, right?

Of course I do.

Musically, the beat falls on the ONE, which was introduced to pop and soul by James Brown on the cut Papa's Got A Brand New Bag, back in 1965.

Listen to the beat of Popcorn by James, then listen to this...

 

[ohmygosher]

^

Nvm. 

My mistake was in cutting the JB vid off early.

 

[gambit215]

Exhausting Thread.......................... :x

 

[longstroke]

I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever.

Thomas Jefferson

It seems that Thomas was in deep contemplation over something, yet not very worried at the same time. I wonder why?

 

[wr]

'The Black Count,' A Hero On The Field, And The Page



September 15, 2012
Gen. Thomas-Alexandre Dumas was one of the heroes of the French Revolution — but you won't find a statue of him in Paris today.

He led armies of thousands in triumph through treacherous territory, from the snows of the Alps to the sands of Egypt, and his true life stories inspired his son, Alexandre Dumas, to write The Count of Monte Cristo and The Three Musketeers.

How did the son of a Haitian slave and a French nobleman become Napoleon's leading swordsman of the Revolution, then a prisoner, and finally almost forgotten — except in the stories of a son who was not even 4 years old when his father died?

"I like to think of him as history's ultimate underdog," says author Tom Reiss. His new book, The Black Count: Glory, Revolution, Betrayal and the Real Count of Monte Cristo, uncovers the real life that inspired so many fictional heroes.

"He's a black man, born into slavery, and then he rises higher than any black man rose in a white society before our own time," Reiss tells NPR's Scott Simon. "He became a four-star general and challenges Napoleon, and he did it all 200 years ago, at the height of slavery."

Dumas' exploits in battle can seem almost superheroic — taking the field against Austria in a squabble over Italy, he "formed what all of the eyewitnesses there called a 'one-man army,' deciding to drive the Austrians single-handedly out of the country," Reiss says. "He's offered 5,000 soldiers, and he doesn't want them because he likes leading small bands, so he decides that he can do better in this terrain by taking out a group of 20 dragoons."

Overwhelmed by 1,000 Austrian troops at a small, crucial bridge, Dumas didn't falter as his troops turned tail and fled. "He's just cutting them down with his saber, and he gets shot and he gets stabbed, but nothing will make him lie down," Reiss says. Reinforcements arrived eventually, but instead of retiring to the medical tent, Dumas "jumps on a horse and continues to chase the Austrians ... and after that, even Napoleon, who hated him, had to give him a huge credit in Paris."

hy did Napoleon hate one of his greatest military men? "Partly because he didn't like the fact that this 6-foot-plus, incredibly dashing and physically brilliant general was such a contrast to him in every way," Reiss says. "Also, he didn't like being confronted ... and Dumas was really someone who couldn't stop from speaking his mind."

That outspokenness landed Dumas in hot water during Napoleon's 1798 campaign in Egypt. He condemned the expedition as wasteful, unjust and against the principles of the French Revolution. "That confrontation, which was a public confrontation, was something that Napoleon could never forgive," Reiss says. On his way home from Egypt, Dumas was forced by a storm to put ashore in southern Italy, where he was taken prisoner by a shadowy Italian group called the Holy Faith Army, which hoped to ransom him to France. "But in fact, Napoleon basically uses this as an excuse to get rid of Dumas, and Dumas just languishes in this horrible dungeon."

The great general survived, but his health was broken by the ordeal — and he returned to France after two years in captivity to discover that Napoleon, the newly minted dictator, had rolled back civil rights protections across France and reinstituted slavery.

The elder Dumas died a few years later, in 1806. His son was just a toddler, but Reiss says his son had vivid memories of his father's death and wrote extensively about his life. "The novelist in fact takes a really beautiful sort of revenge" on Napoleon, he says. "He uses his father's life to create some of the most wonderful characters in literature."

 

[longstroke]

Ahhhh, good read. I am friends with some members of the Dumas family, those that are out of New Orleans. 

 

[Coupé It]

Ahhhh, good read. I am friends with some members of the Dumas family, those that are out of New Orleans. 

So? What does that even mean? You know how many people of French decent have the name Dumas?