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Originally Posted by Frank 7he T4nk
Does AA work in the favor of Asian americans as well?
Nope
Jews didn't want it, Italians either.
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Originally Posted by Frank 7he T4nk
Does AA work in the favor of Asian americans as well?
Originally Posted by kix4kix
First. AA benefits Women more than anyone.
Second.at people bringing up the constitution in regards to being against AA
Third. AA was "given" to blacks in order to pacify "radical' blacks of the 60's and early 70's. It worked.
Fourth. Do you honestly believe that AA is unfair?...you guys had 400 years to get your wealth. We have 30 and ya'll have had enoughI love white people
[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Agreed[/color]Originally Posted by Joseph Camel Jr
I agree with the idea of Affirmative Action, don't get me wrong, but you are making some foolish assumptions. 400 years to amass wealth? Most white Americans are the children and grandchildren of recent immigrants, many of whom came here with nothing. It would be correct to say that many of them enjoyed the advantages their white skin afforded them over their counterparts of other races, but not to say they have thrived under 400 years of racism.Originally Posted by kix4kix
First. AA benefits Women more than anyone.
Second.at people bringing up the constitution in regards to being against AA
Third. AA was "given" to blacks in order to pacify "radical' blacks of the 60's and early 70's. It worked.
Fourth. Do you honestly believe that AA is unfair?...you guys had 400 years to get your wealth. We have 30 and ya'll have had enoughI love white people
Originally Posted by kix4kix
Every Recent "immigrant" was offered AA, not my problem they didn't want it. Jews actually protested against it. I would provide proof, but my sources are NOT via internet.
Women have always performed better than men academically. Look at Women vs. Men in college after AA. All the proof you need.
Originally Posted by Fede DPT
So if you are against AA you are a "racist"?
Affirmative Action basically says "You cant do it alone." and all it is quotas. There was a higher proportion of Blacks rising out of poverty between 1940-1960 (with no major federal civil rights legislation) than in the 1970's, when the first decade of AA came into play.
Thomas Sowell once said. (Who is a Black man)
Affirmative action is great for black millionaires but it has done little or nothing for most people in the ghetto.
Originally Posted by lemurkicks23
Originally Posted by ballinamillion1
My math teacher back in high school was a racist, I was talking to this girl about her boyfriend and I said that he looked like the guy that was the shooter of the virginia tech massacre. We had the discussion a few weeks after the shooting and the guy looked just like him and my teacher busts out and call me a racist in front of the class, the girl i was talking to was like he really does look just like him. I apologized and w.e and the girl was like for what you didnt need to apologize the teacher called you out for no reason.
Fast forward to yesterday I went to visit my old high school with one of my boys and we talked to this teacher and she was like I'm happy you guys are having fun at the university of michigan. Then she hit us with the u know I applied there i was already like. She then proceeded to talk about how she got a 32 on the act and a grade point similar to mine and she was waitlisted. I was like wow that suckedagain lol.
Then she said yea U know its different for me OBVIOUSLY because I was a white female trying to get in, and you guys can imagine how difficult It would be for a WHITE MALE to get in. At that point I was like trying not to say anything and just said I will talk to u later. I was heated man, like I've got white friends at good schools that had crappy act scores especially michigan
its really a shame man the whole incident really left a bad taste in my mouth and I'm prlly never returning to my old high school. btw im black lol
I remember that story!!!
Originally Posted by Joseph Camel Jr
Originally Posted by kix4kix
Every Recent "immigrant" was offered AA, not my problem they didn't want it. Jews actually protested against it. I would provide proof, but my sources are NOT via internet.
Women have always performed better than men academically. Look at Women vs. Men in college after AA. All the proof you need.
Huh?
Are you serious? Women do not make up the majority of college students due to affirmative action. Like I said, many of the best schools have more highly-qualified female applicants than similar male applicants. Their admissions processes tend to work against them, not for them. It's insulting to insinuate anything different.
Originally Posted by kix4kix
Originally Posted by Joseph Camel Jr
Originally Posted by kix4kix
Every Recent "immigrant" was offered AA, not my problem they didn't want it. Jews actually protested against it. I would provide proof, but my sources are NOT via internet.
Women have always performed better than men academically. Look at Women vs. Men in college after AA. All the proof you need.
Huh?
Are you serious? Women do not make up the majority of college students due to affirmative action. Like I said, many of the best schools have more highly-qualified female applicants than similar male applicants. Their admissions processes tend to work against them, not for them. It's insulting to insinuate anything different.
If I am so craazy what about the rates of black women?
Do you not get what I am saying?...I am stating that they have ALWAYS been better academically. Compare College rates in the 50's even the 60's to now.
Originally Posted by HarlemKickDiva
Originally Posted by Essential1
I got into a discussion about this in American Politics we broke up into 5 groups of 6-10 kids, My discussion with another kid stopped the whole class and it became a 1 on 1 debate. Me being on the pro Affirmative Action side.
I really don't think some white people understand how easy they have it compared to some minorities (I am white).... Not to say white people don't struggle but certain things they don't have to deal with that other groups do. Things that effect everyday life.
People also don't realize for every unqualified Affirmative Action reception there is a white guy who doesn't deserve the job (so what is the explanation of that).
Many times blacks, Hispanics, Asians, woman etc. are still looked over for jobs with affirmative action and they are more qualified.
And then if you are a minority and you earned your spot you are an automatic affirmative action hire. (Obama, Sotomayor, the list goes on)
The racism and bigotry in this country is not dead at all.
While I do believe an economic status Affirmative Action is better and will cover more people, we cannot just abolish Affirmative Action completely.
And to sum it up as a White Male I have never felt hindered, cheated whatever by Affirmative Action. My resume speaks for itself. I don't get a job I don't get a job. I don't blame anyone else for it.
I wonder whose PB this came from
Originally Posted by DublBagn
you are no longer allowed to comment on this topic.....Originally Posted by Master Zik
First those people are ignorant. A.A. just gives them another topic to spew their racist opinions.
I should note that there are black ppl against A.A. as well for different reasons.
The lazy black side of me loves it but after that passes it's like I'm not getting this opportunity for my merits but the color of skin. The foundation of A.A. has suddle and subtle deep rooted reverse racism in it even if the framers weren't fully aware of it. It's like first it was lets not treat blacks like humans, now instead of equal lets treat them special especially when it comes to getting certain advantages. I understand for about a century young white men innately had advantages and opportunities over just about every other race and blacks were basically the opposite but I don't think playing catch up is the way to even the playing field. I don't have an answer for how to put blacks or any other race or nationality on equal footing with white ppl but as we as a society progress I can understand some genuinely disadvantaged white ppl who aren't racist feeling it isn't fair. Now yes, slavery was obviously not fair but I know one way to look at this "solution" is not every black person is subjected to the hatred and racism blacks faced 50 years ago. Racism has basically become universal and most of us have realized certain groups of ppl just don't like others and in general everyone isn't going to like each other.
I can see the argument on both sides, just wish there was a better way to skip this drawn out process but we can't control how ppl think when it comes to why a person is hired for a job or given a certain opportunity..... yet. In many ways it'd be better if ppl were literally without hate butthat aint happening.
Saw a movie recently with this being one of the topics with Sarah Jessica Parker. I know at least one other person saw it. It was pretty good, caught me off guard when it was the black kid doing italthough it was typical given the limited options.
edit: so who is getting the short short short end of the stick here.....super lower class minorities or super lower class whites???? Success is basically gauged on drive and access, so would the class of people with no access and with AA going against them have it the worst???? just a question....
Originally Posted by kix4kix
ok buddy. What you fail to acknowledge is the lack of woman whom desired to go to college prior to the women's movement in the 60's 70's and into the 80's. Back then WOMEN scored better in school than men, just simply did not aspire to go to college. The subculture completely changed as your "graph" shows in the mid 80's.
You can argue till the cows come home but I know what I am talking about. Women WERE only given these spots due to affirmative action. I am not discounting their deserving of the spot. I am clearly stating the EXACT opposite. I am stating that if it were not for AA, institutions would not have to admit any what so ever.......your "graph" is not going to discount the numerous books I have read on the subject. Sorry
Originally Posted by kix4kix
There were blacks with HIGHER test scores being kept out of schools. TRUTH
You can claim otherwise, but there are several institutions that kept a 70 40 ratio in favor of males despite scores reflecting the exact opposite. TRUTH
If we cannot agree on that thenDon't know what to tell ya.
Originally Posted by 360wavesandxbox
So today in my class the topic of Affirmative action came up, and the majority of the people in my class(looking back im not surprised) are against the idea of affirmative action.
One guy, who happens to be a Sargeant of a nearby city Police Department even went on to say he doesn't see why companies "lower their standards" to just to hire "blacks and hispanics and women". Then he was joined in agreement by others in the class...
He went on about how its not fair to be looked over by lazier less deserving people just because of them being another race or gender. The whole time im sittin there giving him the.
Is this really how most people think of us? As lazy and less deserving of a job?