Hide Ya Wives, Hide Ya Kids: Worldwide Coronavirus Pandemic!

[Canadian Destroyer]

hope ppl aren't going to let their guard down even more because vaccine is out. going to take awhile for it to reach the rest of us

Exactly. I was reading about a woman who was one of the people in the trials that got the vaccine and she was vacationing in Mexico when they contacted her.
There is the possibility that Vaccinated people are going to be going around spreading this thing with no regard to everyone else.

 

[everysingletime]

Yea the vaccination is not a license to stop acting responsibly. If you get the vaccine, just wear your mask, wash your hands, social distance until the rest of the world can catch up

 

[pdino]

Still same policies in place at my hospital. They told us research shows getting vaccine makes us good VS covid-19, but we can still spread to others who are not. Mandatory mask at the door

 

[friscostylez]

"Much of Africa, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and the Middle East are dirt poor, have no money to produce PPE gear and sanitizers. They don’t have the high tech hospitals or even enough hospitals. They have sub par medical abilities. Some tried lockdowns in the spring but after citizens began starving to death they realized it wasn’t possible. Most people in these countries are operating as if there is no virus at all. Most of them have seen much worse and simply don’t have the first world luxury of sheltering in place and caring too much about this virus. To them, life is hard, death is common and this virus is just one of many they face. Their countries will be last to receive the vaccine, if ever.

If the narrative that herd immunity will result in disaster and these countries have had no choice but to just allow this virus to roll through their populations until they reach herd immunity, then where is the carnage? Where are the millions dead? Where are the mass graves and bodies in the streets?...They have had to face it and deal with it. And western narratives pushers will have to answer when people start realizing these discrepancies."


thoughts?

 

[fargin]

Met up with my brother Saturday for a brotherly/socially distanced evening walk.

Brother went: You got your phone?

Me: *pats pocket*

Brother: Got the tracing app?

Me: Yup

Brother: K... disable Bluetooth

Him and wife both teachers with four kids and they are constantly testing, because of the contact tracing app... So he was having none of that, not gotta have his little brother **** up his weekend.

 

[friscostylez]

 

[everysingletime]

"Much of Africa, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and the Middle East are dirt poor, have no money to produce PPE gear and sanitizers. They don’t have the high tech hospitals or even enough hospitals. They have sub par medical abilities. Some tried lockdowns in the spring but after citizens began starving to death they realized it wasn’t possible. Most people in these countries are operating as if there is no virus at all. Most of them have seen much worse and simply don’t have the first world luxury of sheltering in place and caring too much about this virus. To them, life is hard, death is common and this virus is just one of many they face. Their countries will be last to receive the vaccine, if ever.

If the narrative that herd immunity will result in disaster and these countries have had no choice but to just allow this virus to roll through their populations until they reach herd immunity, then where is the carnage? Where are the millions dead? Where are the mass graves and bodies in the streets?...They have had to face it and deal with it. And western narratives pushers will have to answer when people start realizing these discrepancies."


thoughts?

There's probably zero transparency and rampant under-reporting of numbers in these countries.

 

[tay1]

COVID test took about 1.5 hours. Got the oral test as well. No symptoms or anything. Just wanted to be sure. Think I may do one every week or two.

 

[whoisthisguy]

That song “hits different” now

 

[3am scholar]

Anyone else watching the 60 minutes episode on the Pfizer vaccine?

Well it looks like we are going to be packing it in for 2021. We can’t even begin to talk about the end till 2022 and that’s being hopeful.
They said we would need 75% of the people vaccinated in 2021 to see the end by next year.

first week numbers were 556,208 according to Bloomberg.com. To hit 75% by end of 2021 will need to be poking 4.5m people weekly.

 

[wallyhopp]

Still same policies in place at my hospital. They told us research shows getting vaccine makes us good VS covid-19, but we can still spread to others who are not. Mandatory mask at the door

I think we’ll be wearing mask and distancing for 3-4 more years. If the vaccine is 95% effective, many politicians will want us hiding and being super cautious to protect the 5%. It’ll be like we weren’t vaccinated at all. I don’t see much changing for quite awhile.
There may be a few states who open fully but why change the narrative now? We’re locked down to protect the weak. Even with a vaccine, there’s 5% who need us locked down too.

 

[wallyhopp]

There's probably zero transparency and rampant under-reporting of numbers in these countries.

Like the article states, where’s the carnage? Unless you mean there are thousands of underreported dead in mass burial sites? Looking at the worldometer country list, it does make you wonder. Maybe we’re so fat and unhealthy, along with Europe, that we were easy targets?

 

[elpablo21]

Higher up told me our clinics are working on getting the vaccines early. We'll see

 

[everysingletime]

Unless you mean there are thousands of underreported dead in mass burial sites?

Yea this is what I'm saying. There can't be dead ppl if you don't report them

All speculation of course but this is what I'm thinking

 

[langfor5]

"Much of Africa, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and the Middle East are dirt poor, have no money to produce PPE gear and sanitizers. They don’t have the high tech hospitals or even enough hospitals. They have sub par medical abilities. Some tried lockdowns in the spring but after citizens began starving to death they realized it wasn’t possible. Most people in these countries are operating as if there is no virus at all. Most of them have seen much worse and simply don’t have the first world luxury of sheltering in place and caring too much about this virus. To them, life is hard, death is common and this virus is just one of many they face. Their countries will be last to receive the vaccine, if ever.

If the narrative that herd immunity will result in disaster and these countries have had no choice but to just allow this virus to roll through their populations until they reach herd immunity, then where is the carnage? Where are the millions dead? Where are the mass graves and bodies in the streets?...They have had to face it and deal with it. And western narratives pushers will have to answer when people start realizing these discrepancies."


thoughts?

Interesting view point. As with any virus there can be no rhyme or reason. Same reason why one person will test positive, show no symptoms and will be fine while another will seemingly be healthy and be dead in a couple of days. Perhaps those folks in those third world countries are immune. Maybe they haven’t even been exposed yet.

 

[gry60]

"Much of Africa, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and the Middle East are dirt poor, have no money to produce PPE gear and sanitizers. They don’t have the high tech hospitals or even enough hospitals. They have sub par medical abilities. Some tried lockdowns in the spring but after citizens began starving to death they realized it wasn’t possible. Most people in these countries are operating as if there is no virus at all. Most of them have seen much worse and simply don’t have the first world luxury of sheltering in place and caring too much about this virus. To them, life is hard, death is common and this virus is just one of many they face. Their countries will be last to receive the vaccine, if ever.

If the narrative that herd immunity will result in disaster and these countries have had no choice but to just allow this virus to roll through their populations until they reach herd immunity, then where is the carnage? Where are the millions dead? Where are the mass graves and bodies in the streets?...They have had to face it and deal with it. And western narratives pushers will have to answer when people start realizing these discrepancies."


thoughts?

As U.S. struggles, Africa's COVID-19 response is praised

Africa's top public health official has helped to steer the continent's 54 countries into an alliance praised as responding better than some richer nations, including the United States.

www.pbs.org

While the U.S. surpassed 200,000 COVID-19 deaths and the world approaches 1 million, Africa’s surge has been leveling off. Its 1.4 million confirmed cases are far from the horrors predicted. Antibody testing is expected to show many more infections, but most cases are asymptomatic. Just over 34,000 deaths are confirmed on the continent of 1.3 billion people.

Experts caution that data collection in many African countries is incomplete, and Nkengasong warned against complacency, saying a single case can spark a new surge.

“Africa is doing a lot of things right the rest of the world isn’t,” said Gayle Smith, a former administrator with the U.S. Agency for International Development. She’s watched in astonishment as Washington looks inward instead of leading the world. But Africa “is a great story and one that needs to be told.”


Nkengasong, whom the Gates Foundation honored Tuesday with its Global Goalkeeper Award as a “relentless proponent of global collaboration,” is the continent’s most visible narrator. A former official with the U.S. CDC, the Cameroon-born virologist modeled the African version on his ex-employer. It pains him to see the U.S. struggle now.

Health experts point to Africa’s youthful population as a factor in why COVID-19 hasn’t taken a larger toll, along with swift lockdowns and the later arrival of the virus.

“The collapse of global cooperation and a failure of international solidarity have shoved Africa out of the diagnostics market,” Nkengasong wrote in the journal Nature in April. “If Africa loses, the world loses.”

Supplies slowly improved, and African countries have conducted 13 million tests, enough to cover 1% of the continent’s population. But the ideal is 13 million tests per month, Nkengasong said.

He and other African leaders are haunted by the memories of 12 million Africans dying during the decade it took for affordable HIV drugs to reach the continent. That must not happen again, he said.

This week, more world leaders than ever are gathering online for the biggest global endeavor since COVID-19 appeared, the United Nations General Assembly. If Nkengasong could address them, he would say this: “We should be very careful that history doesn’t record us on the wrong side of it.”

African leaders are expected to say much the same. “The COVID-19 pandemic has shown we have no option but to depend on each other,” Ghana’s president, Nana Akufo-Addo, told the gathering on Monday.

Nkengasong urges African countries not to wait for help and rejects the image of the continent holding a begging bowl. The money is there, he said.

Acting on that idea, Africa’s public and private sectors created an online purchasing platform to focus their negotiating power, launched by the African Union to buy directly from manufacturers. Governments can browse and buy rapid testing kits, N95 masks and ventilators, some now manufactured in Africa in another campaign endorsed by heads of state.

Impressed, Caribbean countries have signed on.

“It’s the only part of the world I’m aware of that actually built a supply chain,” said Smith, the former USAID chief.

When the pandemic began, just two African countries could test for the coronavirus. Now all can. Nkengasong was struck by how much information “doesn’t get translated” to member states, so the Africa CDC holds online training on everything from safely handling bodies to genomic surveillance.


“I look at Africa and I look at the U.S., and I’m more optimistic about Africa, to be honest, because of the leadership there and doing their best despite limited resources,” said Sema Sgaier, director of the Surgo Foundation, which produced a COVID-19 vulnerability index for each region. She spoke even as Africa’s cases were surging weeks ago.

With COVID-19 vaccines the next urgent issue, African countries held a conference to insist on equitable access and explore manufacturing to end their almost complete reliance on the outside world. They began securing the late-stage clinical trials that long have been held outside the continent, aiming to land 10 as soon as possible.

Nkengasong said Africa needs at least 1.5 billion vaccine doses, enough to cover 60% of the population for “herd immunity” with the two likely required doses. That will cost about $10 billion.

The World Health Organization says Africa should receive at least 220 million doses through an international effort to develop and distribute a vaccine known as COVAX.

That’s welcome but not enough, Nkengasong said.

His next hurdle is how to deliver doses throughout the vast continent with the world’s worst infrastructure. Less than half of Africa’s countries have access to modern health care facilities, he said.

COVID-19’s effects are “devastating” for Africa, from education to economies to the fight against other diseases.
Nkengasong plans a major conference next year to press countries to significantly increase health spending ahead of the next pandemic.

“If we do not,” he said, “something is terribly wrong with us.”

Coronavirus: What's happening to the numbers in Africa?

Cases have been increasing in a number of key countries, leading to concerns about a second spike.

www.bbc.com

Coronavirus in Africa: Five reasons why Covid-19 has been less deadly than elsewhere

The continent of a billion people has had fewer deaths than the UK despite the generally fragile health systems.

www.bbc.com

 

[cosmiccoffee9]

"Much of Africa, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and the Middle East are dirt poor, have no money to produce PPE gear and sanitizers. They don’t have the high tech hospitals or even enough hospitals. They have sub par medical abilities. Some tried lockdowns in the spring but after citizens began starving to death they realized it wasn’t possible. Most people in these countries are operating as if there is no virus at all. Most of them have seen much worse and simply don’t have the first world luxury of sheltering in place and caring too much about this virus. To them, life is hard, death is common and this virus is just one of many they face. Their countries will be last to receive the vaccine, if ever.

If the narrative that herd immunity will result in disaster and these countries have had no choice but to just allow this virus to roll through their populations until they reach herd immunity, then where is the carnage? Where are the millions dead? Where are the mass graves and bodies in the streets?...They have had to face it and deal with it. And western narratives pushers will have to answer when people start realizing these discrepancies."


thoughts?

if I had to take a swing, I´d point to the fact that less Westernized countries have a younger typical citizen.

obviously that´s not everything, but I feel like it´s something.

 

[friscostylez]

Mexico misled its citizens

In early December, the Mexican government knew that Mexico City had reached a critical level of contagion that, according to its own standards, would have required shutting down the city’s economy.

But Mexico did not share the true numbers with the public or sufficiently restrict movement in the capital, in an apparent attempt to help the economy during the busy holiday shopping season, reports Natalie Kitroeff, a foreign correspondent for The Times based in Mexico.

Instead, the federal government misled the public about the severity of the outbreak and allowed Mexico City to remain open for another two weeks.

Specifically, when the government was computing its lockdown formula in early December, it used lower numbers in two critical areas — the percentage of occupied hospital beds with ventilators, and the percentage of positive coronavirus test results — than were publicly stated in its official databases. Officials refused to explain where that data came from.

On Friday, the government finally moved to shut the city down. But it was too late: More than 85 percent of hospital beds in the capital were occupied on Sunday, up from 66 percent when the government decided to delay the lockdown.

Now, doctors say they are running out of crucial medicines. Outside medical supply stores, relatives of patients lined up for hours to buy oxygen.

“They have deliberately tried to hide the emergency,” said Xavier Tello, a health policy analyst based in Mexico City. “Every day they delayed the decision, more people were exposed.”

 

[whywesteppin]

good points on the younger population in less developed countries and pointing out Africa's strong response.

america doesn't have a monopoly on sensible efforts to mitigate the spread of a vaccine. if anything, other countries are the ones who have learned to deal with deadly viruses and know to take them seriously. it also doesn't require masks or other PPE to do the most effective thing to fight covid: staying home and away from other people.

also developed countries have much more transit and cross-pollination of communities (more travel, more mixing). the problem isn't population density but number of interactions, especially indoors. off the top of my head, I feel like even in crowded cities in India the majority of interactions would happen outdoors.

 

[cosmiccoffee9]

good points on the younger population in less developed countries and pointing out Africa's strong response.

america doesn't have a monopoly on sensible efforts to mitigate the spread of a vaccine. if anything, other countries are the ones who have learned to deal with deadly viruses and know to take them seriously. it also doesn't require masks or other PPE to do the most effective thing to fight covid: staying home and away from other people.

also developed countries have much more transit and cross-pollination of communities (more travel, more mixing). the problem isn't population density but number of interactions, especially indoors. off the top of my head, I feel like even in crowded cities in India the majority of interactions would happen outdoors.

never really considered that most interactions elsewhere take place outdoors, that´s a good piece of the puzzle.

I could believe our American preference for climate controlled, recycled air environments came back to bite.

Mexico misled its citizens

In early December, the Mexican government knew that Mexico City had reached a critical level of contagion that, according to its own standards, would have required shutting down the city’s economy.

But Mexico did not share the true numbers with the public or sufficiently restrict movement in the capital, in an apparent attempt to help the economy during the busy holiday shopping season, reports Natalie Kitroeff, a foreign correspondent for The Times based in Mexico.

Instead, the federal government misled the public about the severity of the outbreak and allowed Mexico City to remain open for another two weeks.

Specifically, when the government was computing its lockdown formula in early December, it used lower numbers in two critical areas — the percentage of occupied hospital beds with ventilators, and the percentage of positive coronavirus test results — than were publicly stated in its official databases. Officials refused to explain where that data came from.

On Friday, the government finally moved to shut the city down. But it was too late: More than 85 percent of hospital beds in the capital were occupied on Sunday, up from 66 percent when the government decided to delay the lockdown.

Now, doctors say they are running out of crucial medicines. Outside medical supply stores, relatives of patients lined up for hours to buy oxygen.

“They have deliberately tried to hide the emergency,” said Xavier Tello, a health policy analyst based in Mexico City. “Every day they delayed the decision, more people were exposed.”

I can personally speak on that...MX Fed has had super weak messaging on this from the very beginning.

AMLO (Prez MX) has pretty much done everything he can to downplay the virus, from telling people to ¨go out and enjoy a nice dinner¨ while **** was on fire to talking about lucky amulets and home cooking as cures.

I feel like it was based on 45´s ¨no panic¨ theory, but it can´t be denied they did not take this seriously.

they do have the excuse of not being a ¨rich country¨...one of the top 10 industries is inbound Western Union.

not a joke.

so since Mexico CANNOT afford to totally shut down, like an India or Afghanistan, I cut them some slack.

ain´t a coincidence that it´s the only place on this side of the planet an American can still visit with no red tape.

is kinda funny that we found out we also live in an India or Afghanistan tho.

 

[had pants]

 

[everysingletime]

One thing is for sure with Africa... They're used to dealing with deadly disease

Ej. Ebola

 

[dtb00201]

US deaths in 2020 top 3 million, by far most ever counted

NEW YORK (AP) — This is the deadliest year in U.S. history, with deaths expected to top 3 million for the first time — due mainly to the coronavirus pandemic.

apnews.com

 

[picasso swerve]

Anyone in the NY area get a call/missed call from a number, I listened to the voicemail and an automated vocie said “time to stay home, stay safe stay home”. Wasnt contact tracing or anything since I havent given out my number to anyone/any establishment. They really want people to chill out since Christmas is a couple days away I guess.

 

[Zo gif]

Day 13 with covid still have a slight cough but no other symptoms