Egypt REVOLUTION! Military Coup = Succuessful. U.S. paid military now in power.

[seasoned vet]

- oh boy.......watch some conservative radical declare we take to the streets to get rid of Obama...........
 
 
 
 

 

[hankmoody]

Originally Posted by Hazeleyed Honey

I am so emotional.

This is truly so inspiring and just so amazing.

Congratulations to my Egyptian brethen! You have truly shown such resilience, bravery, courage, strength, and showed the world how a revolution should be done. I KNEW you would succeed. Your social activism is to be respected and reflected all over the world for showing such a beautiful human spirit and for achieving the fundamental right we all deserve as human beings, freedom.

I really feel for those protesters that died in the last 18 days, but they did not die in vain.

This is a monumental and historical day for the entire Arab world. Ever since I was born I always knew of Egypt's leader just as to be Hosni Mubarak, the lapdog tyrant he is. The people of Egypt have given hope to the rest of the Middle East that if they stand united, they truly can make a change against their tyrants and oppressive authocratic regimes.

Some here are saying how this is not over yet. Of course, who knows the road this will take and if it will fully achieve true democracy. But, this is about more than that, this is finally attaining a human conquest that was thought to never be fulfilled. It took them 18 days to topple a tyrant who was ruling an iron fist for 30 years. Such an incredible and amazing feat which many thought would not even see the light of day. That in itself an insurmontable achievement which cannot be denied.

Thank you Egypt for making all of us Arabs proud and for giving us hope. I really do hope that one day I will see the day that Palestine is independent and free and that my parents will get to be buried in their homeland.

I also just want to mention that today is the day that Nelson Mandela was set free 21 years ago after enduring 27 years of imprisonment. "Free at last". So fitting.

Rashi said otherwise; you must listen to him. He is the chosen one. 


http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2011/02/congratulations-egypt.html

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2011/02/congratulations-egypt.html^If this guy isn't critical of the new developments, then no one should be. 

 @ shaunhillftl49

 

[whiterails]

Originally Posted by seasoned vet

- oh boy.......watch some conservative radical declare we take to the streets to get rid of Obama...........
 
 
 
 

OP would love this.

 

[proper english]

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Re: Egypt REVOLUTION! Military Coup = Succuessful. U.S. paid military now in power.

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WORD? 

 

[hazeleyed honey]

Originally Posted by ShaunHillFTW49

Originally Posted by Hazeleyed Honey

I am so emotional.

  
women

   This is a valuable excuse to be emotional right now, ok?

HankMoody - Rashi is just spinning all this into conspiracy theories. The credit of this revolution still remains with the youth activists that lifted the grassroots movement and the people of Egypt from all sectors of Egyptian society.

 

[knowledgethefoundation]

Egypt weak for this...

 

[callhimar]

Originally Posted by whiterails

Originally Posted by seasoned vet

- oh boy.......watch some conservative radical declare we take to the streets to get rid of Obama...........
 
 
 
 

OP would be the one to start this.

FTFY.

 

[tkthafm]

Originally Posted by Carlos Tevez

"Nothing will change"

"This is American backed"

"They need more than 10,000 people on the streets"

WHERE ARE YOU?

EGYPT IS FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Why not just put my name in the post ? 

First of all: 

 to the people out on the streets for their resilience.

Now to what this actually means: Mubarak is gone. Nice. I understand the celebration, but save the victory laps and "FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" talk for another few years when we see what comes about from this change. I can't help but

 at the short sighted fools thinking Egypt will be a utopia from now on. Nothing has changed since I wrote my last post about the lack of a strong enough leader to actually put Egypt on a proper path. Will Egyptians be put first or will US/Israeli interests still come first ? Time will tell. 

I know I come off as strongly skeptical and negative, but anyone who knows anything about Middle Eastern politics understands why. 

 

[whiterails]

Originally Posted by CallHimAR

Originally Posted by whiterails

Originally Posted by seasoned vet

- oh boy.......watch some conservative radical declare we take to the streets to get rid of Obama...........
 
 
 
 

OP would be the one to start this.

FTFY.

Word to the Will Ferrel streaking scene in Old School.

 

[carlos tevez]

Originally Posted by tkthafm

Originally Posted by Carlos Tevez

"Nothing will change"

"This is American backed"

"They need more than 10,000 people on the streets"

WHERE ARE YOU?

EGYPT IS FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Why not just put my name in the post ? 

First of all: 

 to the people out on the streets for their resilience.

Now to what this actually means: Mubarak is gone. Nice. I understand the celebration, but save the victory laps and "FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" talk for another few years when we see what comes about from this change. I can't help but

 at the short sighted fools thinking Egypt will be a utopia from now on. Nothing has changed since I wrote my last post about the lack of a strong enough leader to actually put Egypt on a proper path. Will Egyptians be put first or will US/Israeli interests still come first ? Time will tell. 

I know I come off as strongly skeptical and negative, but anyone who knows anything about Middle Eastern politics understands why. 

Oh the irony

Anyone who knows anything about ME politics understands it was in America's/West's/Israel's BEST interests to keep Mubarak in power. The West + Israel have long bragged about how great it is to be democratic while they formed cozy relationships with brutal tyrants and dictators in the ME. Do you think this is coincidental? Why do you think Israel spent so much energy over the last 3 weeks lobbying other nations to back Mubarak? Unlike the U.S. and other Western nations who offered nothing more than vaguely worded statements, Israel had the balls to articulate their deep will to keep the brutal and corrupt Mubarak in power at the expense of 80 million of his countrymen. Ask yourself why this is.

If you understood ME politics you'd realize that it's in the West's interests to keep these dictators in power. It's much easier to control 1 authoritarian than it is to control millions in civil societies.

And

@ you sticking to your guns about nothing has changed. The Egyptian people just gave a big F U to Mubarak, foreign interests, military rule, Nasserism, tyranny, corruption, etc etc. The U.S. and the West were clamoring at the prospects of Western-educated Gamal Mubarak who'd further advance neo-liberal Washington consensus policies within Egypt at the expense of his own people.

The tyrant is gone, Nasserism is dead, Egyptians are months away from being a civil state for the first time in its 7000 year history and yet nothing has changed. Egypt is a country that is completely broken and will need decades to fix. Foreign policy and Western/Israeli interests to take a back seat to domestic reforms. As for the military's role in all this, they chose sides today and that is the side of the people. They've heard the voices of the people and a transition to democracy is well underway.

Rather than looking at this from a foreign policy perspective, why not analyze what this revolution means to actual Egyptians? Emergency law has been lifted after 40+ years and yet nothing has changed

 

[tkthafm]

Originally Posted by Carlos Tevez

Originally Posted by tkthafm

Originally Posted by Carlos Tevez

"Nothing will change"

"This is American backed"

"They need more than 10,000 people on the streets"

WHERE ARE YOU?

EGYPT IS FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Why not just put my name in the post ? 

First of all: 

 to the people out on the streets for their resilience.

Now to what this actually means: Mubarak is gone. Nice. I understand the celebration, but save the victory laps and "FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" talk for another few years when we see what comes about from this change. I can't help but

 at the short sighted fools thinking Egypt will be a utopia from now on. Nothing has changed since I wrote my last post about the lack of a strong enough leader to actually put Egypt on a proper path. Will Egyptians be put first or will US/Israeli interests still come first ? Time will tell. 

I know I come off as strongly skeptical and negative, but anyone who knows anything about Middle Eastern politics understands why. 

Oh the irony

Anyone who knows anything about ME politics understands it was in America's/West's/Israel's BEST interests to keep Mubarak in power. The West + Israel have long bragged about how great it is to be democratic while they formed cozy relationships with brutal tyrants and dictators in the ME. Do you think this is coincidental? Why do you think Israel spent so much energy over the last 3 weeks lobbying other nations to back Mubarak? Unlike the U.S. and other Western nations who offered nothing more than vaguely worded statements, Israel had the balls to articulate their deep will to keep the brutal and corrupt Mubarak in power at the expense of 80 million of his countrymen. Ask yourself why this is.

If you understood ME politics you'd realize that it's in the West's interests to keep these dictators in power. It's much easier to control 1 authoritarian than it is to control millions in civil societies.

And

@ you sticking to your guns about nothing has changed. The Egyptian people just gave a big F U to Mubarak, foreign interests, military rule, Nasserism, tyranny, corruption, etc etc. The U.S. and the West were clamoring at the prospects of Western-educated Gamal Mubarak who'd further advance neo-liberal Washington consensus policies within Egypt at the expense of his own people.

The tyrant is gone, Nasserism is dead, Egyptians are months away from being a civil state for the first time in its 7000 year history and yet nothing has changed. Egypt is a country that is completely broken and will need decades to fix. Foreign policy and Western/Israeli interests to take a back seat to domestic reforms. As for the military's role in all this, they chose sides today and that is the side of the people. They've heard the voices of the people and a transition to democracy is well underway.

Rather than looking at this from a foreign policy perspective, why not analyze what this revolution means to actual Egyptians? Emergency law has been lifted after 40+ years and yet nothing has changed

What irony ? What are you babbling on about in your first paragraph ? No one denied any of what you typed 

 
As for the 2nd part of your post, yes, Mubarak being ousted is a big achievement in and of itself, but once again, it is still too early to claim freedom nor that life for the "actual Egyptians" will be significantly different. Foreign policy is directly tied into this because it was for the foreign policy reasons you discussed in your first paragraph why the US/Israel backed Mubarak and allowed for his failed domestic policies to exist in the first place. Mubarak leaving and a hyped public doesn't mean the cancer that is US/Israeli meddling is removed... and thus far, no one appears strong enough to eradicate it. Keen minds see beyond the emotion and realize this is thus far only a cosmetic surface change until proven otherwise. That's why I'm not shouting on about "freedom" just yet 

I agree with the bolded sentence. The question is, will it take a back seat ? The Egyptian people may have gave a F U, but will the new government be strong enough to reverberate and act upon it ? On these points, I am strongly pessimistic. 

 

[jd214]

Just read dudes fortune might be 40 to 70 Billion

If true

 

[SUSHI AND GRITS]

Power is in the people.

 

[carlos tevez]

Dude, quit blaming U.S./Israeli meddling as if they are the ones to blame for Egypt's problems. Since 1952 Egypt has been a military state (the cause of many of Egypt's problems). It wasnt until the late-70s that Egypt allied itself with the U.S./Israel. The U.S./Israel arent to blame for the human rights violations, lack of freedom, authoritarianism, corruption and brutality that existed within Egypt between 1952 up until the Camp David Accords so there is little reason to blame the U.S./Israel for Egypt's internal problems prior to 1978 and you cant blame them for Egypt's internal problems since 78. The Mubarak regime was just an extension of Nasser and Sadat's policies. If you look at Mubarak's policies you'd realize he wasnt much different from his predecessors. He used Nasser's heavy-handed domestic security policies to control the state and he basically followed Sadat's foreign policies to a tee. Even the recent economic reforms introduced by Mubarak can not be completely attributed to him since it was Sadat that worked diligently to liberalize Egypt after over 2-decades of Nasser's failed socialist/communist policies. How do you blame the U.S./Israel for this?

The U.S./Israeli meddling is just a drop of water when considering the problems Egyptians have faced since 1952 and specifically over the last 30-years, i.e. emergency law, police brutality, corruption at all levels of society, uncontrollable inflation, dying middle-class, etc etc. The U.S./Israel have nothing at all to do with these problems. The U.S./Israel are mainly focused on security concerns and although both countries have the same goal of eradicating Islamic radicalism, Egyptian leaders have been trying to eradicate Islamic radicalism since 1952 for their own interests as well. Last time I checked, U.S./Israel werent Egypt's allies when Nasser was spending much of his early years of his Presidency detaining and killing Islamic activists. Egypt's security interests have long been exclusive from U.S./Israeli security interests. When it comes to Egypt's relationship with Israel, people must understand it's in Egypt's best interests to maintain a peaceful relationship with Israel and I expect the relationship to remain peaceful for many decades to come.

 

[tkthafm]

They may not be the root cause of all of Egypt's problems (obvious) but they have done nothing but allow them to continue onwards for the sake of their own security. Any major new reforms that will take place will also have to go hand in hand with telling the US/Israel to go screw themselves and get their hands out of the country's affairs. This is also pivotal for the millions of other ME citizens living in deplorable conditions under other US/Israeli backed regimes. Right now I don't see any viable leaders capable of doing this nor expect one to pop up over night. We can bump this thread in 5 years and hopefully you are right and someone steps up that is strong enough to bring sweeping reform. The relationship Egypt wants with Israel should solely be up to the Egyptian citizens. A "peaceful" relationship is one thing, being a state led by Mossad puppets is another. If you ask me, Egypt should not "negotiate with terrorists" nor recognize them in the first place 

 

 

[knowledgethefoundation]

Why does the US manage to get involved in every single conflict ever?

 

[kidkidd]

Originally Posted by Dr LukeMartin

Originally Posted by KnowledgeTheFoundation

Why does the US manage to get involved in every single conflict ever?

Because America runs the world.

And I just hate that

A wise college professor of mines once told me that America held the power to end world hunger, and I thought about that for a moment

 

[rashi]

Originally Posted by whiterails

Originally Posted by seasoned vet

- oh boy.......watch some conservative radical declare we take to the streets to get rid of Obama...........
 
 
 
 

OP would love this.

Why so you clowns can march yourselves into voting booths to vote for someone else?

Revolution starts with education and knowing what you are getting rid in order to transition to something else. Unfortunately, people in this country have been socially engineered to think that Politicians who have EVERY reason to lie to you just in order for you to vote for them can do everything for you and get rid of all your everyday problems. Then after you vote for them then they do what ever they want.  Hell, if they don't do what you want, you can walk into those same voting booths and vote for other people who will do the exact same thing.

Since 1952 Egypt has been a military state (the cause of many of Egypt's problems).

Trained by the U.S.

The U.S./Israel arent to blame for the human rights violations, lack of freedom, authoritarianism, corruption and brutality that existed within Egypt between 1952 up until the Camp David Accords so there is little reason to blame the U.S./Israel for Egypt's internal problems prior to 1978 and you cant blame them for Egypt's internal problems since 78.

So financially supporting it doesn't necessarily aren't to blame?

The Mubarak regime was just an extension of Nasser and Sadat's policies. If you look at Mubarak's policies you'd realize he wasnt much different from his predecessors. He used Nasser's heavy-handed domestic security policies to control the state and he basically followed Sadat's foreign policies to a tee. Even the recent economic reforms introduced by Mubarak can not be completely attributed to him since it was Sadat that worked diligently to liberalize Egypt after over 2-decades of Nasser's failed socialist/communist policies. How do you blame the U.S./Israel for this?

All of who had U.S. support and $$$$$$$$$$$$.

The U.S./Israeli meddling is just a drop of water when considering the problems Egyptians have faced since 1952 and specifically over the last 30-years, i.e. emergency law, police brutality, corruption at all levels of society, uncontrollable inflation, dying middle-class, etc etc. The U.S./Israel have nothing at all to do with these problems. The U.S./Israel are mainly focused on security concerns and although both countries have the same goal of eradicating Islamic radicalism, Egyptian leaders have been trying to eradicate Islamic radicalism since 1952 for their own interests as well. Last time I checked, U.S./Israel werent Egypt's allies when Nasser was spending much of his early years of his Presidency detaining and killing Islamic activists. Egypt's security interests have long been exclusive from U.S./Israeli security interests. When it comes to Egypt's relationship with Israel, people must understand it's in Egypt's best interests to maintain a peaceful relationship with Israel and I expect the relationship to remain peaceful for many decades to come.

I'de suggest you listen to your own people who said and even were protesting that Camp David was a FAILURE.

[h1] [/h1]

[h1]‘We know that Netanyahu cannot sleep now’ [/h1] By BEN HARTMAN 
02/02/2011 13:37

[h2]Protesters tell 'The Jerusalem Post' they don't feel Egypt is completely free of Israeli occupation, "Camp David made us a slave."[/h2]
CAIRO – Like many of the protesters at Tahrir Square this week, 26-year-old Muhammad Salama of Cairo spoke of an eagerness for Egypt to shelve its 1979 peace agreement with Israel, but insisted he does not want war with the Jewish state.

In his hands he held a sign reading in Arabic, “Netanyahu is worried about Mubarak,

 

[onthenephs]

Yo since I first posted in this thread and said everybody in here was talking out of their A%% it seems like its gotten even worse.  All I know is I love Egypt to the death and for the souls that died so the next generations can prosper, may you rest in peace. 



Ta7ya Masr

 

[upptempo8387]

Originally Posted by Dr LukeMartin

Originally Posted by kidKiDd

Originally Posted by Dr LukeMartin

Originally Posted by KnowledgeTheFoundation

Why does the US manage to get involved in every single conflict ever?

Because America runs the world.

And I just hate that

A wise college professor of mines once told me that America held the power to end world hunger, and I thought about that for a moment

And they do. But if they ended world hunger, we wouldn't have niketalk or sneakers. Seriously......



and the scary part is that I rather have jays than have the rest of the world eat.

I rarely use this emoticon but this statement deserves it.......

 

[rko2004]

Originally Posted by UPPTEMPO8387

Originally Posted by Dr LukeMartin

Originally Posted by kidKiDd

Originally Posted by Dr LukeMartin

Originally Posted by KnowledgeTheFoundation

Why does the US manage to get involved in every single conflict ever?

Because America runs the world.

And I just hate that

A wise college professor of mines once told me that America held the power to end world hunger, and I thought about that for a moment

And they do. But if they ended world hunger, we wouldn't have niketalk or sneakers. Seriously......



and the scary part is that I rather have jays than have the rest of the world eat.

I rarely use this emoticon but this statement deserves it.......

Stone face deserved.

 

[teamjordan79]

Originally Posted by Dr LukeMartin

Originally Posted by kidKiDd

Originally Posted by Dr LukeMartin

Originally Posted by KnowledgeTheFoundation

Why does the US manage to get involved in every single conflict ever?

Because America runs the world.

And I just hate that

A wise college professor of mines once told me that America held the power to end world hunger, and I thought about that for a moment

And they do. But if they ended world hunger, we wouldn't have niketalk or sneakers. Seriously......



and the scary part is that I rather have jays than have the rest of the world eat.

....and they're the terrorists 

 

[carlos tevez]

Rashi, it's kind of ironic you harp about education and yet you openly display your ignorance about the subject at hand.

The U.S./Israel arent to blame for the human rights violations, lack of freedom, authoritarianism, corruption and brutality that existed within Egypt between 1952 up until the Camp David Accords so there is little reason to blame the U.S./Israel for Egypt's internal problems prior to 1978 and you cant blame them for Egypt's internal problems since 78.

So financially supporting it doesn't necessarily aren't to blame?


The U.S. did not support Egypt until the 1980s so how can the U.S. be blamed for Egypt's problems between the 1952 revolution until 1980? Many of Egypt's problems during that time stemmed from authoritarian rule and socialism/borderline communist policies.

The Mubarak regime was just an extension of Nasser and Sadat's policies. If you look at Mubarak's policies you'd realize he wasnt much different from his predecessors. He used Nasser's heavy-handed domestic security policies to control the state and he basically followed Sadat's foreign policies to a tee. Even the recent economic reforms introduced by Mubarak can not be completely attributed to him since it was Sadat that worked diligently to liberalize Egypt after over 2-decades of Nasser's failed socialist/communist policies. How do you blame the U.S./Israel for this?

All of who had U.S. support and $$$$$$$$$$$$.


Nasser had U.S. support and money? Do you even know what you're talking about?

Sadat had U.S. support for what...2 years? So what accounts for Egypt's domestic failures prior to the Camp David Accords?

As for the Camp David Accords, Egyptians see it as a foreign policy failure and not as the cause for the country's domestic problems. The Camp David Accords are not to blame for decades of no human rights, corruption, unemployment, high illiteracy rate, inflation, etc.

 

[rashi]

Originally Posted by Carlos Tevez

Rashi, it's kind of ironic you harp about education and yet you openly display your ignorance about the subject at hand.

The U.S./Israel arent to blame for the human rights violations, lack of freedom, authoritarianism, corruption and brutality that existed within Egypt between 1952 up until the Camp David Accords so there is little reason to blame the U.S./Israel for Egypt's internal problems prior to 1978 and you cant blame them for Egypt's internal problems since 78.

So financially supporting it doesn't necessarily aren't to blame?


The U.S. did not support Egypt until the 1980s so how can the U.S. be blamed for Egypt's problems between the 1952 revolution until 1980? Many of Egypt's problems during that time stemmed from authoritarian rule and socialism/borderline communist policies.

The Mubarak regime was just an extension of Nasser and Sadat's policies. If you look at Mubarak's policies you'd realize he wasnt much different from his predecessors. He used Nasser's heavy-handed domestic security policies to control the state and he basically followed Sadat's foreign policies to a tee. Even the recent economic reforms introduced by Mubarak can not be completely attributed to him since it was Sadat that worked diligently to liberalize Egypt after over 2-decades of Nasser's failed socialist/communist policies. How do you blame the U.S./Israel for this?

All of who had U.S. support and $$$$$$$$$$$$.


Nasser had U.S. support and money? Do you even know what you're talking about?

Sadat had U.S. support for what...2 years? So what accounts for Egypt's domestic failures prior to the Camp David Accords?

As for the Camp David Accords, Egyptians see it as a foreign policy failure and not as the cause for the country's domestic problems. The Camp David Accords are not to blame for decades of no human rights, corruption, unemployment, high illiteracy rate, inflation, etc.




You could believe whatever you want, dude. Fact of the matter is that the United States has been funding a Mid East arms race for damn near half a century and has been giving money to these countries for decades for their own agenda, whether it is for oil, whether for strategic imperialistic military bases, ect.


Also, while you people maybe happy under this Faux Egyptian Revolution, keep in mind the same Generals that are controlling the country are the same people Mubarak appointed and by which were his closest friends. Mr. Prime Minister Shafik and General Enan were trained in Panama for the CIA in hope of recruiting Latin American for God knows what. You're focusing on the wrong things.


Those Accords were nothing but a bribe to Egypt to basically place nice with the Zionists and not to support the Palestinians. This bribe of billions went into the pockets of Mubarak and basically made things worse by taking food subsidies from the United States and keeping in control on the Egyptian government.

 

[teamjordan79]

Originally Posted by Carlos Tevez

Rashi, it's kind of ironic you harp about education and yet you openly display your ignorance about the subject at hand.

The U.S./Israel arent to blame for the human rights violations, lack of freedom, authoritarianism, corruption and brutality that existed within Egypt between 1952 up until the Camp David Accords so there is little reason to blame the U.S./Israel for Egypt's internal problems prior to 1978 and you cant blame them for Egypt's internal problems since 78.

So financially supporting it doesn't necessarily aren't to blame?


The U.S. did not support Egypt until the 1980s so how can the U.S. be blamed for Egypt's problems between the 1952 revolution until 1980? Many of Egypt's problems during that time stemmed from authoritarian rule and socialism/borderline communist policies.



Authoritarian rule and socialism borderline communist policies? 

U can say that about most countries on this planet though. But I mean, didn't Israel fight Egypt with western-produced (US?) weaponry? You are right in the sense that the US might not be at fault before the 70's/80's but it was the British Empire before that. You can also argue that America has indirectly played a role in funding their enemy (Israel, which the British Empire helped to promulgate) prior to the 80's and beyond. Personally I would put the blame on foreign influence on Egyptian hardships before their incompetent and docile rulers since they are forced to function in the age of post/neocolonialism and Anglo-Saxon hegemony.