Does Eminem belong in GOAT of all time conversation?

[stillin729]

How can you say Eminem stayed in his lane? He created that lane and it's a one car highway

You can say Em's music hasn't evolved which I think is ridic but if you go that route then his music transcends generations which is evolving isn't it?

 

[incredibleev]

I understand where your coming from. But how many rappers have tried that and failed?

I agree with Jay but He is just different man. Jay has just always been in a different level than the rest of these dudes.
But besides him who has switched up and succeeded?

You don't even really have to "switch up", you just have to take what you do to the greatest lengths, its logical conclusion basically. Everyone's going to have different people in their top 5 or 10 or whatever, but for me Big Boi and Andre 3000 have certainly done that with their work, solo and together, from Stankonia until now. That is music that nobody else can do, lots of artists try to do, but Outkast have made it their sound and do it better than everyone that tries. That's why they are ahead of Em in GOAT talk for me. 

You know, there is music that is timeless, that can be listened to at any time in history and be looked at as quality, defining music. Then there is music that is of-a-time, that you look at and remember that time and associate the music with that time. Eventually, the music of-a-time becomes sort of a joke, not taken seriously, analyzed as the reason something in the genre had to change. That's what Em's music is becoming. 

 

[bigrockford]

What do you mean by evolve? A majority of Jay's lyrical content consists of Hustlin'/Drugs, girls, and Money. Same as most other rappers. A majority of Ems content consists of Family/Personal issues, Drug usage, Having Fun..
Listen to Jays first and last albums, besides style and production, there will be no real difference on Jay's part, besides a decline in skill (IMO). Listen to Em's first and last albums.. There is a difference between them on Em's part with no decline in skill..

 

[$tacy]

Imma be real. In the earlier 2000's (00-07) we worshiped dude in the D. But nowadays majority of the urban community dont even listen to em no more. Like I havent heard any of his music since 8 mile soundtrack. I believe he should be in the convo but im takin jay as my goat over him. He had me when I was younger wit the crazy wordplay and serial killer lines etc. As a grown man he doesnt really talk about anything i can relate to 

 

[deuce king]

I know people dont like to talk about race or bring it up but its defintely relevant. He made it ok for white people to listen to rap.

LOL.  You can tell who's new to hip hop with statements like this.  It's obvious you never heard of Beastie Boys or 3rd Base with such an asinine statement like this.  Which pretty much explains the mindset of the vast majority of Eminem fans in general. 

Not only that, he's in a genre dominated by black people and he's the one no one dares to speak of in vain because he is the most feared.

LOL. 

 

[shorty doo wop]

Honestly, Eminem is G.O.A.T. Although his recent albums aren't as good as his earlier ones, I still think he is the best. Hip-Hop has changed from the time he was an a new artist therefore I think his music changed. Also his album sales are insane compared to any other rapper. Besides he's the few  that doesn't rap about sex, girls, drugs, and all the other bs.

have you ever heard SSLP

 

[la kb24]

yes he does..enough said

 

[jayfiend]

You don't even really have to "switch up", you just have to take what you do to the greatest lengths, its logical conclusion basically. Everyone's going to have different people in their top 5 or 10 or whatever, but for me Big Boi and Andre 3000 have certainly done that with their work, solo and together, from Stankonia until now. That is music that nobody else can do, lots of artists try to do, but Outkast have made it their sound and do it better than everyone that tries. That's why they are ahead of Em in GOAT talk for me. 

You know, there is music that is timeless, that can be listened to at any time in history and be looked at as quality, defining music. Then there is music that is of-a-time, that you look at and remember that time and associate the music with that time. Eventually, the music of-a-time becomes sort of a joke, not taken seriously, analyzed as the reason something in the genre had to change. That's what Em's music is becoming. 

I can listen to EMs first 3 albums rite now and it's better than what's out rite now.

He goes away comes back and gets on songs with the best young dudes out rite now and destroys them.

Wayne should have quit after what Shady did to him on "no love".

MMLP is his rawest album. But Eminem Show is his best as he matured.

His is just as lyrical as Anybody it's just his subject matter was different so it was hard for some dudes to relate. But lyrically he was a monster.

He showed is range with a song like "Stan" . Is wordplay is some of the best ever. His flow is incredible and I think he is actually underrated in that department.

Yea he wouldn't have done them huge numbers if he wasnt white. But he was still good enough to do Jay/DMX type numbers and around that time they were top dogs.

This dude is probably the best all around rapper ever. Meaning he was good at everything it was nothing he was weak at.

 

[delete]

Eminem's credibility will always be tarnished because of the Encore album. he should of never put out garbage like that.

 

[stillin729]

Eminem's credibility will always be tarnished because of the Encore album. he should of never put out garbage like that.

Get out of here, is Nas's credibility tarnished by Nastradamus? No

 

[jayfiend]

Eminem's credibility will always be tarnished because of the Encore album. he should of never put out garbage like that.

I agree with this. The only thing that helps him is he kinda came back and show something was obviously wrong with him on that album.

Recovery was a good album. It actually showed growth had some solid songs on it too. It just wasnt the EM that everyone is used to. But he is to far to keep the same content he had on his first 3 albums.

I think he made a good effort. Considering it was his first shot at changing his content. But you see that the skill is still there

 

[stillin729]

He has 5 Grammy's for best rap album, I think one "garbage" album is okay

 

[delete]

Get out of here, is Nas's credibility tarnished by Nastradamus? No

people also ******** on Em because he's making music with pop acts these days. i say he's top 10 no doubt, but Encore could of been the nail in the coffin if he never returned. this next album he needs to bring it back to his older ways, something like The Eminem Show. his verses have been lackluster lately with all thee features he's been on.

 

[stillin729]

I never understood the NT mentality of a rapper made music with a pop act so they are now discredited

Who is exactly ******** on him, wasn't Recovery the best selling rap album in 2010?

People could ******* all over me if that's the case

 

[deuce king]

I keep hearing how many Grammy's this person won or didn't win, but do folks really think the PEOPLE that award rap albums for Grammy's have any real connection to hip hop music??

 

[stillin729]

I keep hearing how many Grammy's this person won or didn't win, but do folks really think the PEOPLE that award rap albums for Grammy's have any real connection to hip hop music??

But when Kanye wasn't winning them and being passed over NT acted like someone murdered their family

 

[deuce king]

I keep hearing how many Grammy's this person won or didn't win, but do folks really think the PEOPLE that award rap albums for Grammy's have any real connection to hip hop music??

But when Kanye wasn't winning them and being passed over NT acted like someone murdered their family

That's because Kanye just like a good portion of his fanbase is childish, immature and throw temper tantrums when they don't get their way.  Not exactly the best artist or even collection of a fanbase to use for an argument champ.  Either way, my original point still stands about the Grammy's and the people being the Grammy's. 

 

[stillin729]

Ok so well just discredit his Grammy's

 

[deuce king]

Ok so well just discredit his Grammy's

I'm not saying discredit the Grammy's completely because it is an accomplishment.  I think everyone can respect it on that level, but recognize it for what it is and the Grammy committee behind it.  With that being said the Grammy's isn't the end all be all in hip hop. 

 

[dt43]

Get out of here, is Nas's credibility tarnished by Nastradamus? No

people also ******** on Em because he's making music with pop acts these days. i say he's top 10 no doubt, but Encore could of been the nail in the coffin if he never returned. this next album he needs to bring it back to his older ways, something like The Eminem Show. his verses have been lackluster lately with all thee features he's been on.

 

[k2theablam]

Top 5 in every sense of the phrase.

 

[jthagreat]

skillwise, i think Em is the best ever.

He doesnt make good music often tho....

 

[Bert.]

I thought recovery was awesome, i never liked as many songs on a single CD like i did with that one.

it wasnt the best but it was very enjoyable.

 

[HankHill]

Yeah that ***** is not going in my top 10

 

[Remy LeBeau]

@DT43