Does Eminem belong in GOAT of all time conversation?

Haven't played an em song since "squaredance"

Imo only jay, big, pac and nas deserve to be in a goat convo. 3 stacks for u hippies tho
 
Comparing Eminem to the beastie boys...you know what I mean and you know im right.

And not relating to his music isn't a good reason to demote him from where he belongs. Unless you guys can totally relate to having huge yachts with and unlimited amount of good looking women on board. You can't personally relate to that and very very few can personally relate to eminem. But it's his art, its interesting and he's damn good at it. Just because you dont like Tom Brady doesnt mean he doesnt belong where he does in the all time greats lidt. Some of you guys need to watch this 60 minutes video on him. Yes being white in a predominantly black genre is relevant, he says himself he has evolved and no he never walked around telling his daughters saying "***** pick this up ***** pick that up". That's just his art.
 
Comparing Eminem to the beastie boys...you know what I mean and you know im right.

And not relating to his music isn't a good reason to demote him from where he belongs. Unless you guys can totally relate to having huge yachts with and unlimited amount of good looking women on board. You can't personally relate to that and very very few can personally relate to eminem. But it's his art, its interesting and he's damn good at it. Just because you dont like Tom Brady doesnt mean he doesnt belong where he does in the all time greats lidt. Some of you guys need to watch this 60 minutes video on him. Yes being white in a predominantly black genre is relevant, he says himself he has evolved and no he never walked around telling his daughters saying "***** pick this up ***** pick that up". That's just his art.

its actually crazy, when I moved to the west coast, my roommate was this white dude from Riverside. Grew up dirt poor to a drug addicted mom (super nice lady though), lived in a garage for most of his life, got hooked on drugs himself, became extremely racist, and was in and out of jail until he joined the military.


So that may not be EXACTLY like Eminem's story, but I tend to believe that there are exponentially more of those than the billionaire playboy druglord types
 
So the rappers that were hot in 99 when Eminem dropped ( Jay, Nas, X, Ja, Nelly in 2000) none of them had multiple albums that were trash in a 13-14 year period? There is no artist in any genre that has dropped classic material on every go around, because material matter and audiences change with time. I personally do not get the whole arguement of holding a strike against someone because you cannot relate to there because. I can go out on a limb and say that most people in this forum ain't bout that pushing weight life, but don't we gravitate to these artists to escape our reality and enter theirs? As a black teenager in 99, Eminem and I had no similarities in lifestyle but to enter his world of hate towards his mother and girlfriend was interesting to me because as Africian-Americans it is crazy to even have a thought of slapping or killing our mothers, I didn't condone it but I could see where he was coming from. Eminem has been the most transparent rapper Hip-Hop has ever seen. We've seen him rap about having nothing, being successful yet angry, government trying to consor his material, drug addiction, death of his best friend, and someone who finally got ahold of life again. To some that may of not been the most interesting material, but I appericate someone who is rapping about the life they lived instead of leading a front. We've seen him evole to the point where he produces and doesn't need Dre to supply him with an album worth of beats. Im in no way saying he is a premier producer but he holds his own and isn't tied to Kayne like Jay is. When it comes down to it regardless of sales, Grammy's, or race Em can rap his *** off and has been doing it for a decade plus. He should be mentioned with the rest of the all time greats.
 
he is considered the goat because of the way he came out the game. he was saying lyrics most others will not grasp. wow he had 2 albums that were not good but in his prime he was one of the goats. do not tell me all his latest music is trash look at him and royce out out....beauty. even the trash albums where he was dying to recover and was super depressed are better that all these new artists music. if he was back to his old ways he would be the goat.
 
I always wish eminem branched out and worked with some more artists/producers so we could really see where his versatility is at.

I get what you're saying, but at the same time I feel he showed his versatility in his own music without needing to branch out too much.

You got him making comedic songs such as My Name Is, The Real Slim Shady, Without Me, etc.

More angry personal songs such as Kim, The Way I Am, etc.

Emotional tracks such as Rock Bottom, If I Had, Beautiful, Going Through Changes, Déjà Vu, Careful What You Wish For, etc.

Story telling tracks such as Stan (one of the GOAT, imo), Stay Wide Awake, etc.

I always thought he showed a lot of versatility throughout his catalog.
 
Eminem is TOP 5 DOA - Sold more than anyone, Bodied JAY (renegade) BIG (dead wrong) Wayne's good raps ( no love), lyrical beast. Best Lp to me was Eminem Show cus he was strait spittin, no killin wives and crying bout mom ( cept for 1 song, cleaning out my closet, but that song was piff ). Don't matter if you cant relate or not, there were ppl who was relatin to him. I was digging in cus ima fan of bars. His beat were ok, wish he stepped outside his camp more, but dude has timeless records tho. Recovery was dope too. Son will murder anybeat you give him, just keep him off drugs (opposite of wayne) as hes a problem
 
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Comparing Eminem to the beastie boys...you know what I mean and you know im right.

And not relating to his music isn't a good reason to demote him from where he belongs. Unless you guys can totally relate to having huge yachts with and unlimited amount of good looking women on board. You can't personally relate to that and very very few can personally relate to eminem. But it's his art, its interesting and he's damn good at it. Just because you dont like Tom Brady doesnt mean he doesnt belong where he does in the all time greats lidt. Some of you guys need to watch this 60 minutes video on him. Yes being white in a predominantly black genre is relevant, he says himself he has evolved and no he never walked around telling his daughters saying "***** pick this up ***** pick that up". That's just his art.

Sorry, I don't know what you mean. Break it down for me how Eminem made it acceptable for white people to listen to rap music and the Beastie Boys didn't.
 
rakim

nas

jay

big

pac

em

any of those can be the goat , all opinion

is he in the discussion? absalutely
 
Kinda OT but do ya'll think that the stan from guilty conscious is the same stan from the actual song Stan??? or am I reachin 8o
 
Look, Em can join the GOAT discussion of course no question. But to me he does not belong in the class because, like, who is REALLY checking for new Eminem music? Just because you can rap circles around everyone doesn't mean you make music that's relevant to hip hop anymore. I hang with a lot of good hip hop fans and nobody cares about this dude. 

Nobody. Cares. /thread
 
Look, Em can join the GOAT discussion of course no question. But to me he does not belong in the class because, like, who is REALLY checking for new Eminem music? Just because you can rap circles around everyone doesn't mean you make music that's relevant to hip hop anymore. I hang with a lot of good hip hop fans and nobody cares about this dude. 

Nobody. Cares. /thread

Whose checking for Em? His last two albums sold like 10 million copies

Like I said before, a lot of NTers live in this world where their opinion is fact but ignore the actual facts
 
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Look, Em can join the GOAT discussion of course no question. But to me he does not belong in the class because, like, who is REALLY checking for new Eminem music? Just because you can rap circles around everyone doesn't mean you make music that's relevant to hip hop anymore. I hang with a lot of good hip hop fans and nobody cares about this dude. 

Nobody. Cares. /thread

bro who checks for new KRS-One music? And trust me he's still making it


obviously people still buy Eminem music, but people want to discount it because its not black people, which is stupid as hell
 
It's not stupid because the reason he can sell 10 mil is because he has the key demographic buying his music - young white girls. And how many youg white girls are in on the GOAT debate in hip hop? Record sales can't factor in Eminems case.
 
so young white girls cant appreciate hip hop?

Everybody has a struggle bro, and if Eminem is something they can relate to, then thats an accomplishment.

He basically made hip hop to cater to a previously untapped segment of society, trailer park, poor midwestern whites

They dont deserve hip hop

I'd say thats a pretty big accomplishment in and of itself, and he was REALLY good at it, dropped classic albums and classic verses
 
It's not stupid because the reason he can sell 10 mil is because he has the key demographic buying his music - young white girls. And how many youg white girls are in on the GOAT debate in hip hop? Record sales can't factor in Eminems case.
The same white girls that are buying Bubba Sparxx, Mac Miller, MGK, and Yelawolf's albums right? My demographic makes up 12% of the population, and believe it or not, not everyone in that catogory listen to Hip-Hop. Without white people, who are also responsible for buying more records than any other race in this country, artists like Jay, 50, Wayne, and Ye wouldn't of sold the numbers they did.
 
Yeah but my point is how can you factor in Eminem's record sales in a GOAT discussion when the vast majority of his sales come from music fans who don't care about hip-hop as a whole? Eminem appeals to demographics that are not representative of the hip-hop landscape - middle America and young girls. 

His music is stale to people who are in-the-know in the hip-hop community - if you are around 18 yrs old and you are first coming around to Eminem's music I can understand where the appreciation comes from I guess. But how can you listen to Jay-Z's albums from first to last, and Eminem's albums from first to last, and not see one person who has elevated his status and another person who has not changed or reached for anything at all that would be considered game-changing? Yes Eminem was game-changing at the start of course, but my point is his choice to stick with his formula in order to keep his fanbase has cost him a few notches in a GOAT debate. 
 
It's not stupid because the reason he can sell 10 mil is because he has the key demographic buying his music - young white girls. And how many youg white girls are in on the GOAT debate in hip hop? Record sales can't factor in Eminems case.

You said no one is checking for him, stop changing your argument everytime it's proved invalid
 
I'd take another garbage Em album and/or feature over any garbage Hov has been putting out (i.e. Suit and Tie feature :x )

Em gets discredited because his fan-base and because hes white imo. Hes in my top 3
 
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