Does Eminem belong in GOAT of all time conversation?

[stillin729]

I never liked Stan sorry, didn't do nothing for me


And Kim is Garbage, the wackest song on the album

Seems like you are purposely trying to hate but if that's how you feel more power to you but to say the MM LP isn't a classic is non sense

I don't like Garth Brooks but to dismiss some of his albums as classics because I don't like him is foolish

 

[mossman1975]

Seems like you are purposely trying to hate but if that's how you feel more power to you but to say the MM LP isn't a classic is non sense

I don't like Garth Brooks but to dismiss some of his albums as classics because I don't like him is foolish

I'm not hating at all just stating my opinion

Album is good, was in my cd deck always back in 2000

Album is not a classic

Paid In Full

Illmatic

Ready To Die

The Chronic

Enter The Wu-Tang(36 Chambers)

Criminal Minded

^Those are classics

 

[johnny cakes]

Only thing Em is good at is multisyllabic rhymes but his punchlines and metaphors are elementary school level (e.g. When I come back. Like nut on your spine.

) and his beat selection is poor. His music just sucks period. Not even top 20.

Not even in the top 20? You are trying too hard to hate my man, you don't even believe what you wrote

 

[Peep Game]

at skipping Stan and Kim

 

[parad0x]

Men lie, women lie, but Number's don't lie.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

First time I've ever heard somebody say they skip Stan.


MMLP is a certified classic and TES and SSLP are pretty close. He's definitely in my Top 5 or 7.

 

[detcity]

yea best to come out of detroit, don't look at his latest work because he is now the same as he used to be but in all he has been one of the most motivators in the rap game and put sooooo many people on from detroit. but tbh my favorite detroit artist will always be blade ice wood. a real brother from the streets even thought born wealthy still was talking about real ****. now a days in detroit talk bought dough boys cash out when really they are not original and not really about whats they say. when if you seen blade and his people back in the day were really wearing rollys and were about that life

 

[frostythepoptart]

Eminem is the greatest to ever do it.

It's hard to overlook his garbage but you honestly have to.

No one and I mean no one's best is comparable to Ems.

 

[detcity]

so if you from detroit eminem isn't even the goat always will be blade ice wood. if you don't know look it up he could have BLOWN beyond belief but eminem is only goat because he did things nobody else could and rap about stuff nobody else would say and did not care.... detroit mentality

 

[mastamind033]

He's in the discussion but he's just put out too much bad and mediocre music at this point to be the best ever. At his best though, few other mcs are seeing him.

 

[shorty doo wop]

Eminem is the greatest to ever do it.

It's hard to overlook his garbage but you honestly have to.

No one and I mean no one's best is comparable to Ems.

Why are you only overlooking em's garbage if you were to also do that to other greats they would look better too

 

[tupackshaker]

Who's "everyone" ?

Yuppies and teeny boppers from the suburbs?

Or you mean the actual critics, the father of said bops?

As a fan of the genre I'd be embarrassed to be in possession of Recovery.

white people

 

[manifresh]

Are you serious with this question NO DOUBT hes in the conversation top 3 imo

 

[the sauna]

Top 5 dead or alive.

 

[dt43]

People saying Em has put out garbage? Jay has put out commercial garbage as well, so..

 

[Hahahaha]

Why are you only overlooking em's garbage if you were to also do that to other greats they would look better too

I think if you look at everyone's top 10 artist, they all have garbage. They all try out something new and different. They all try to sell records. It's a business. I can accept some of the trash these artists make but I don't like it.

On a lot of Em's trashy and pop records, he's still more lyrical than the average rapper's best song though. That's the difference in my eyes.

 

[Clyde Frog]

Wow this thread legit makes me mad.

Hasn't put out a classic album?
Eminem was the first rapper to have two diamond albums and he was the top selling artist of the decade.

He hasn't evolved? I don't see how anyone has evolved more than him. He came from being a pill popping druggy white boy that no one respected to....the recovery. He did nothing but **** on every person in the world to coming out with "not afraid" talking about holding hands through storms and what not saying know you're not alone with your problems. Whether or not you like his accents or goofy stuff or serious stuff or crazy lunatic stuff he has changed throughout his career so many times and never stopped selling records. Christ, he bashed homosexuals for how long and then does Stan with Elton John and he's never evolved? Dude said he skipped Stan?

And he has as to be up there in terms of being most influential. And yes it because he's white. I know people dont like to talk about race or bring it up but its defintely relevant. He made it ok for white people to listen to rap. Not only that, he's in a genre dominated by black people and he's the one no one dares to speak of in vain because he is the most feared.

Dude said he skipped Stan. I think I have a good idea of who is in this thread and where it's headed.

Idc how many businesses Jay owns or who he's married to. He's not above Em. There's this hype about Jay though cause he's never out of the picture. When he's not rapping he's sitting court side. He's so big outside of rap people put him on a higher pedestal. Where as unless Eminem is making music no one talks about him. At this stage of his career he works behind the scenes more and goes unnoticed. And then people think Jay is better and forget Em has multiple diamond albums.

 

[mastamind033]

^^There are a number of things I disagree with in your post but he made it ok for white people to listen to rap? You really just gonna **** on the Beastie Boys like that? Also white people were buying the majority of rap albums long before Em ever blew up.

 

[sneakerfreak09]

Honestly, Eminem is G.O.A.T. Although his recent albums aren't as good as his earlier ones, I still think he is the best. Hip-Hop has changed from the time he was an a new artist therefore I think his music changed. Also his album sales are insane compared to any other rapper. Besides he's the few  that doesn't rap about sex, girls, drugs, and all the other bs.

 

[cronicmolemolereturns]

Em could put out a blank CD and go plat... the best part about him is that he can be as lyrical as jay or nas when he wants and be comical and have fun when he wants.. he hasnt fallen off, its whatever mood hes in.

 

[jayfiend]

I've been thinking about making this thread but never did so I'm glad OP did...

EM is top 5 and I say this because he may not have been the best but the dude is nice at just about every aspect of rap. Lyricism, flow, story telling, battling... He can do it all.

I say this to my friends all the time. Give him a subject to rap about then give your favorite rapper the same subject and Em will kill him everytime.

How many dudes can say they out rapped Jay on a song?

You would have a hard time naming somebody that outdid EM on any track.

But like I've said before I understand why some dudes don't agree and that's because of his subject matter. At the same time I'm glad he was just himself and rapped about what he was going thru instead of trying to rap about what everyone else Was rapping about.

But IMO he's top 5... Actually #4 on my list.

 

[slicknick951]

^^There are a number of things I disagree with in your post but he made it ok for white people to listen to rap? You really just gonna **** on the Beastie Boys like that? Also white people were buying the majority of rap albums long before Em ever blew up.

I wasn't going to pull the race card but if em was a black man from Detroit he would not be the "GOAT" he would be a drug addict who parents would tell their kids they cannot buy his music. He is lyrically talented no one can take that away from him but if we are talking numbers then the conversation is skewed not only because he is white and lets face it white people buy albums then the top 10 would have (Nelly, and MC hammer)

Mean while the two biggest white acts are both top 5

 

[incredibleev]

I don't see your Jay point at all and I agree it's hard for artists to evolve especially in hip hop

Jay has tried stuff, nothing seemed that risky to me. Marrying Beyonce could be consider evolving and it definitely helps his name.

WTT...he sounds old and dated while his young partner in crime brings all the excitement and entertainment
Blueprint 3...far from evolving, the same recycled style and another radio friendly album
AG...back to his roots supposedly
Kingdom Come....trash (more pop music from Hova)
Black Album...his risk was claiming he was retiring and claiming he was the best. It worked for him. The world crowned him

I don't see how Jay has evolved. He made some good money and has given an amazing illusion. Don't think NaS has evolved. Don't think Eminem has evolved. I'm not even a big Em fan like that and I hated him a long time because he is a corny white boy but I don't care. Talent is talent.


And to people saying they can't relate, I don't relate to a lot of his music either but you gotta recognize the talent. All the rappers I listen to, I can relate to 3-4 of them max.

I mean if you can't see the evolution of Jay-Z as an artist you must be a little blind. The dude basically rules the world right now. Tell me why Eminem still has the exact same fan base he had when he came up? In actuality, Eminem has lost his older fans (like myself) and retains the younger generation. At least people like Nas and Jay-Z have kept their fans with them and gained new ones as they grew older and matured as ARTISTS.

I think the easiest way to look at it is...what COULD Eminem have been? What if the guy started working with other writers and producers? What if he had found another producer who took his sound somewhere else and made some sort of classic mixtape with that producer? (just an example). My point is Eminem has stayed in his lane more than any other star rapper I can remember. The great ones have their highs and lows, usually with the highs being some of the best music ever in the genre. Eminem has stayed in the middle and is happy with that. For me, that's unacceptable for the GOAT.  

 

[jayfiend]

I mean if you can't see the evolution of Jay-Z as an artist you must be a little blind. The dude basically rules the world right now. Tell me why Eminem still has the exact same fan base he had when he came up? In actuality, Eminem has lost his older fans (like myself) and retains the younger generation. At least people like Nas and Jay-Z have kept their fans with them and gained new ones as they grew older and matured as ARTISTS.

I think the easiest way to look at it is...what COULD Eminem have been? What if the guy started working with other writers and producers? What if he had found another producer who took his sound somewhere else and made some sort of classic mixtape with that producer? (just an example). My point is Eminem has stayed in his lane more than any other star rapper I can remember. The great ones have their highs and lows, usually with the highs being some of the best music ever in the genre. Eminem has stayed in the middle and is happy with that. For me, that's unacceptable for the GOAT.  

I understand where your coming from. But how many rappers have tried that and failed?

I agree with Jay but He is just different man. Jay has just always been in a different level than the rest of these dudes.
But besides him who has switched up and succeeded?

 

[Hahahaha]

I mean if you can't see the evolution of Jay-Z as an artist you must be a little blind. The dude basically rules the world right now. Tell me why Eminem still has the exact same fan base he had when he came up? In actuality, Eminem has lost his older fans (like myself) and retains the younger generation. At least people like Nas and Jay-Z have kept their fans with them and gained new ones as they grew older and matured as ARTISTS.

I think the easiest way to look at it is...what COULD Eminem have been? What if the guy started working with other writers and producers? What if he had found another producer who took his sound somewhere else and made some sort of classic mixtape with that producer? (just an example). My point is Eminem has stayed in his lane more than any other star rapper I can remember. The great ones have their highs and lows, usually with the highs being some of the best music ever in the genre. Eminem has stayed in the middle and is happy with that. For me, that's unacceptable for the GOAT.  

Would you like to give me some examples of how he's evolved?