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When D'Antoni had to coddle Shawn Marion and a young Amar'e is that just forget about or do people just not know it? I'll assume the latter.
7 Seconds or Less is a good, objective read for anyone who wants a clearer picture of D'Antoni. A lot of his faults are true, but he's not this egotistical tyrant who has poor people skills. He can be stubborn, he wants to win and has his beliefs on how to do it - like 99% of basketball coaches. If Phil Jackson was the coach, one of the '4 HOF' guys would be completely irrelevant (Nash). Instead, with this system, it's Pau. Poorly put together team with the idea that Dwight would be an elite player to cover it and he isn't capable right now.
How is this team supposed to play? Slow it down, try to pound it inside? Saw that against Miami, worked great. Think teams care if that they have scramble to rotate out on to Metta or Earl Clark?
Low-possession game last night, too. Not good enough defensively to play a low-possession game.
Kobe can't guard the better back court player. Ok, so is Nash supposed to? Like, if defense was an afterthought wouldn't he save Kobe and let Nash get ambushed each night? Limited options. Metta's still taking the assignment if it's a physical/strong wing player.
Spread the floor and let Nash operate? With what corner shooter(s)? They don't exist.
Speed things up for more possessions? Nope, too old. Nobody can run the floor. Kobe is the best athlete (sans Clark) in the rotation. The 34 year old.
Yes, the triangle or a variation of it probably does work best (maybe Mike Brown was onto something - he essentially had it in his head that Nash was the most expendable - maybe he was right?) and that is so far away from D'Antoni's style that even I would say he's doing a bad job of putting guys in spots to succeed - but even then you go from asset to liability at PG and there is still not athleticism or bench and the defense is still a mess.
List of Blame IMO:
1. Dwight not being Dwight.
2. The younger Buss
3a. Potato Head and Pringles
3b. Mitch
5. Nash
6. Pau
7. Kobe
8. Antwan Jamison's existence
7 Seconds or Less is a good, objective read for anyone who wants a clearer picture of D'Antoni. A lot of his faults are true, but he's not this egotistical tyrant who has poor people skills. He can be stubborn, he wants to win and has his beliefs on how to do it - like 99% of basketball coaches. If Phil Jackson was the coach, one of the '4 HOF' guys would be completely irrelevant (Nash). Instead, with this system, it's Pau. Poorly put together team with the idea that Dwight would be an elite player to cover it and he isn't capable right now.
How is this team supposed to play? Slow it down, try to pound it inside? Saw that against Miami, worked great. Think teams care if that they have scramble to rotate out on to Metta or Earl Clark?
Low-possession game last night, too. Not good enough defensively to play a low-possession game.
Kobe can't guard the better back court player. Ok, so is Nash supposed to? Like, if defense was an afterthought wouldn't he save Kobe and let Nash get ambushed each night? Limited options. Metta's still taking the assignment if it's a physical/strong wing player.
Spread the floor and let Nash operate? With what corner shooter(s)? They don't exist.
Speed things up for more possessions? Nope, too old. Nobody can run the floor. Kobe is the best athlete (sans Clark) in the rotation. The 34 year old.
Yes, the triangle or a variation of it probably does work best (maybe Mike Brown was onto something - he essentially had it in his head that Nash was the most expendable - maybe he was right?) and that is so far away from D'Antoni's style that even I would say he's doing a bad job of putting guys in spots to succeed - but even then you go from asset to liability at PG and there is still not athleticism or bench and the defense is still a mess.
List of Blame IMO:
1. Dwight not being Dwight.
2. The younger Buss
3a. Potato Head and Pringles
3b. Mitch
5. Nash
6. Pau
7. Kobe
8. Antwan Jamison's existence
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I'd actually move Nash higher up on the blame list... His is on father time tho.
I'll say this again.... If Nash could bring us Lowry, which I think it still will..
I'd make that trade...
I'll say this again.... If Nash could bring us Lowry, which I think it still will..
I'd make that trade...
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SSOL was a great book on D'Antoni and team dynamics.
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Just curious what the Pringles supporters think now?
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Never heard of the struggles with Marion and amare, that's why I specifically said he had problems controlling personalities on the Knicks. You can't argue against that one unless you wanna say he was just coasting until lebron came. Then was coasting because melo was forced on him. All which are terrible excuses. He tried making melo a spot up shooter, a role player in his system.
Maybe he's not a tyrant but I don't think he's that nice of a person either. He had beef with Marbury and embarrassed him. Told him to get ready, then benched him.
He laughed at toney Douglas and pretty much said he's worthless. Hes not part of the plan Why say that to the media?
But I'm gonna assume Nash getting them the ball imperfect places had a huge part in that problem being solved
Your list is pretty on point though. I just don't know if Dwight is at fault for being straight up injured or it's more of a lack of effort. I've never liked the guys game that much. But he was a true defensive monster. So something is up
Yes I give Jimmy Buss more of the bake than dantoni. Because it started with brown.
Maybe he's not a tyrant but I don't think he's that nice of a person either. He had beef with Marbury and embarrassed him. Told him to get ready, then benched him.
He laughed at toney Douglas and pretty much said he's worthless. Hes not part of the plan Why say that to the media?
But I'm gonna assume Nash getting them the ball imperfect places had a huge part in that problem being solved
Your list is pretty on point though. I just don't know if Dwight is at fault for being straight up injured or it's more of a lack of effort. I've never liked the guys game that much. But he was a true defensive monster. So something is up
Yes I give Jimmy Buss more of the bake than dantoni. Because it started with brown.
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Ok. Now put it to bed
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If Dwight does comeback he better spend some time with Kareem in the off-season. I know he spent some time with Hakeem but has anyone improved with him other than Kobe and Lebron? 
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Hakeem can suit up for 6 minutes a game and school these youngins
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hinrich was cookin nash last nite. imo with the lakers firing brown was premature and hiring d'antoni was just immature. anyone defending d'antoni makes me sick. when u can go to any playground or rec center and see your same style of coaching u dont deserve to be called a coach. the only thing hes good at is being likable which is why he doesnt get called out by his players.
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Not always a big believer in extreme statistics, but this was a great post P. seems very accurate and very telling. Thanks for sharing.
[quote name="CP"]Kobe is now wasting away. Blaming him is beyond stupid.[/quote]
I just... I don't get it. "Blame goes everywhere... *points to Kobe*... except there! He's immune. *tears being shed* That's my shooting guard."
And I'm not even talking about just you, CP, even though I'm quoting you. I just don't understand this mentality with so many millions.[/quote]
I should have worded it better, Blaming him for everything is beyond stupid.
Him taking the same amount of shots he's taken for 15 years, and doing it at a higher clip than usual while everyone else deals with injuries and in and out of the lineup and such, he's the least of our worries. The least.
Or as Allen put, one notch above Jamison's life.
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anticipating drew comming back...
bout to be watching these philly games
bout to be watching these philly games
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its so difficult to integrate post play when no team in the nba gives a damb about our outside shooting 
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First of all, the Nets would never admit it. They've been on a hot streak and Brook has been playing well, no need to bring drama to that locker room.
Second, do you or anyone else for that matter know who Jared Rudolph is? He's a reporter based out of Orlando. One of the few reporters who didn't turn his back on Dwight Howard last year and has a very close relationship with Dwight and his circle. He's not some hacky reporter that would just blow this out of *** for no reason.
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Isnt he literally Dwight"s good friend?
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If Dwight is complaining about his FGA, he should worry about how easily he gets the ball stripped.
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I don't understand why Dwight says he doesn't like playing in pick and rolls (because he clearly isn't a dominant post player without having 4 other 3 point specialists spacing the court)... I always thought that it was going to be Nash/Amare Lite with him (he can't shoot jumpers, but he also is tougher to get around for defenders). It seemed like there would be enough spacing for it to work (even with Pau out there, although he isn't the ideal stretch 4 obviously), and it even seemed to work a few times when Nash came back from the injury (I'm thinking specifically against the Warriors at the end of the game).
The reality is NOT that he isn't quick enough to do it (at least from what I've seen in the past, he could be quick enough I think... the effects of his injury still have something to do with that now, but I don't think it would be a problem). It is that he DOES NOT want to.
So, since he doesn't want to do that, the Lakers have some sort of hybrid offense... attempted fast pace with post up players. Nash has had to deal with this before, in a way... when the Suns got Shaq (for about half of the season, under D'Antoni... the Suns fell from close to 1st in the west to the 8th seed by the end of the year, and then got beat 4-1 by the Spurs in the first round).
As bad as the Suns were with the Shaq/D'Antoni combination, they went 18-11 after the Shaq trade (starting with the first game he played, which was, of course, against the Lakers). The fact that they were better than the Lakers are right now blows my mind, because I see some similarities (granted, it's obviously not a perfect comparison).
The reality is NOT that he isn't quick enough to do it (at least from what I've seen in the past, he could be quick enough I think... the effects of his injury still have something to do with that now, but I don't think it would be a problem). It is that he DOES NOT want to.
So, since he doesn't want to do that, the Lakers have some sort of hybrid offense... attempted fast pace with post up players. Nash has had to deal with this before, in a way... when the Suns got Shaq (for about half of the season, under D'Antoni... the Suns fell from close to 1st in the west to the 8th seed by the end of the year, and then got beat 4-1 by the Spurs in the first round).
As bad as the Suns were with the Shaq/D'Antoni combination, they went 18-11 after the Shaq trade (starting with the first game he played, which was, of course, against the Lakers). The fact that they were better than the Lakers are right now blows my mind, because I see some similarities (granted, it's obviously not a perfect comparison).
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Yea.
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Jarrod Ruddolph is Dwight's mouthpiece who just said on the radio that if D'Antoni is the coach after this summer Dwight will leave.
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told you guys Dwight is not who we thought he was. Please don't sign here Dwight - if you are reading this - please go elsewhere.
If MDA gets canned after the season to keep Howard happy. Good God what a disaster that would be.
We need to find a way to plant some evidence or something on Monty Williams. I want him as our head coach, I think he's really good.
Course, Byron Scott would get a look if he was available, but at this point, Mitch might have to coach for free since we'd already be paying coaches all over the nation.
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Good that means LA should get Rid of Dantoni NOW!!!
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Cant afford to fire MDA - cant afford it. We guarenteed him 12 milion. Moron
