Basketball Thread About Nothing

[bigsupa]

Good to have an expert opinion in here for these calls.

Do you get annoyed by the amount of Euro-steps in modern basketball?

bigsupa

there are rules change every 2 years.. the rules committee is actually made up of mostly coaches and i believe 1 official is elected out of a panel of 20. the "Euro" has been "allowed" in college and HS for last 5 seasons.

this season the "harden" step back got approved for NCAA but still not for HS.

It’s interesting - I know these sorts of calls were getting called on me back in the day - I remember the hop step coming out and causing an uproar. Just means the game has changed - which it always will

yea as the game changes and evolves so do the rules. the 1st year of a rules year is always a tough one. i remember the year the "cylinder" block play got instituted... alot of guys got it wrong and techs were given out.

imagine taking an elbow to the face and a block being called on you...

Hmm. I see your screen shot but don’t see how anyone can watch the video and call that left foot as “step 1”.

Besides that there are countless examples of step throughs being legal in college

the average basketball fan is mainly watching the NBA... their rules are slightly different hence why i have emphasized that NCAA/HS that move was a travel. the ncaa game is still the purest of the all only because HS doesn't have the 3' restricted arc under the basket..

 

[friscostylez]

there are rules change every 2 years.. the rules committee is actually made up of mostly coaches and i believe 1 official is elected out of a panel of 20. the "Euro" has been "allowed" in college and HS for last 5 seasons.

this season the "harden" step back got approved for NCAA but still not for HS.

yea as the game changes and evolves so do the rules. the 1st year of a rules year is always a tough one. i remember the year the "cylinder" block play got instituted... alot of guys got it wrong and techs were given out.

imagine taking an elbow to the face and a block being called on you...

the average basketball fan is mainly watching the NBA... their rules are slightly different hence why i have emphasized that NCAA/HS that move was a travel. the ncaa game is still the purest of the all only because HS doesn't have the 3' restricted arc under the basket..

Don't know too much about euroball but how do those rules compare to college?

 

[206to813]

i f’n hate mens league refs

I swear they take an oath that says they’re required to lie about what they think happened on a play when they make bad calls

Like on defense I’ll be 10000% straight up vertical, either feet planted or not, doesn’t matter. Ref will call a foul and show me my arms were at a damn 45 degree angle. Foh

 

[friscostylez]

i f’n hate mens league refs

I swear they take an oath that says they’re required to lie about what they think happened on a play when they make bad calls

Like on defense I’ll be 10000% straight up vertical, either feet planted or not, doesn’t matter. Ref will call a foul and show me my arms were at a damn 45 degree angle. Foh

Dem mfs be da most outta shape mfs too!! How u gonna blow da whistle when u all the way on the other side of the court?? How u expect to think clearly and make da right call when it looks like u about to have a heart attack after jogging up and down the courts a couple time?

 

[206to813]

bigsupa
Here’s one for you. This is a mens league but they always say we follow HS rules

Shot goes up, I’m on defense, I want to box out dude I’m guarding. I’m 6’4”, he is 6’10”. I box him out - put my butt in him (pause), dude climbs over my back and grabs the board. After I asked the ref how is that legal? He said I initiated the contact. Wtf? I’m like yea I’m boxing him out. Red told me a box out isn’t in the rule book. I’m like okay man you got it.

 

[206to813]

Dem mfs be da most outta shape mfs too!! How u gonna blow da whistle when u all the way on the other side of the court?? How u expect to think clearly and make da right call when it looks like u about to have a heart attack after jogging up and down the courts a couple time?

Fax. The other one that annoys me is when the ref and every damn person in the gym sees a call (a foul, travel, out of bounds, whatever), and doesn’t call anything even though he saw it- and then points at his partner who had a BETTER view- and says “that’s his call”

Bruhhhh

 

[uncalled4boy]

bigsupa
Here’s one for you. This is a mens league but they always say we follow HS rules

Shot goes up, I’m on defense, I want to box out dude I’m guarding. I’m 6’4”, he is 6’10”. I box him out - put my butt in him (pause), dude climbs over my back and grabs the board. After I asked the ref how is that legal? He said I initiated the contact. Wtf? I’m like yea I’m boxing him out. Red told me a box out isn’t in the rule book. I’m like okay man you got it.

Had A Similar Situation Once Where I Grabbed A Board, And Had A Guy Behind Me Take The Ball Out My Hands When I Was Coming Back Down. He Went Up With The Shot And The Ref Blows The Whistle For A Foul

I Was Pretty Pumped, Im 5'10 Guy Behind Me Was About 6'5. I Boxed Out, Did All The Fundamentals, But Felt Naturally Based On The Height Difference He Was A Bit Over My Back. Turns Out Ref Called A Foul ON ME. EVERYONE On The Court Was Confused And Asked Him To Clarify (Potentially Correct The Call) Since I Did Nothing Other Than Get The Pill Taken From Me On The Rebound.

Ref Doubles Down On It Being A Foul On Me, Counts The Basket Too (Guy Made The Putback). And Gave No Explanation

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Love what this thread is turning into.

 

[datznasty]

I got cheated out of a win (well we win that game, we're 1st or 2nd place, the only 2 places that get prize money) when a ref called a foul on me on a dude shooting a beyond half court heave with the score tied. He even apologized to me after. That's what we get for having so many black guys (and our two Natives look Mexican and black) in a Native American basketball tournament in Anadarko. Then to make matters worse, we had to ride back 7 deep in my Grand Prix. Bunch of 6'0+ kats sweating all on each other, my guy Ronnie Battle had us going through all kind of unmarked gravel, only wide enough for one car but a 2 way street with curves and hills, *** roads. Randomly saw him pop up on some new **** on FB like 5 yrs ago called FightBall or something, 1 on 1, fullcourt, there are refs and fouls but they dont call a lot and you can interrupt the other players' free throws, with my guy Joe Polk announcing thing. I would've been amazing at that between 2002-2005 when I was at the peak at my powers. Anyone who grew up playing ball on a base would. Crazy you google Ronnie and his Dad comes up

 

[duke40]

aren’t all the roads in Anadarko dirt and gravel? Kidding - I grew up in Springtown, TX, pop 1600. I thought I remembered you being in or from OK.

 

[bigsupa]

Don't know too much about euroball but how do those rules compare to college?

The biggest major difference Is that you can swat the ball off the rim and while it’s above the cylinder

Fiba rules allow for a more fluid game to be played. Their unorthodox way of play doesn’t look appealing to the eye so when the euro step came into play no one was doing right hence all the travels being called.

 

[friscostylez]

The biggest major difference Is that you can swat the ball off the rim and while it’s above the cylinder

Fiba rules allow for a more fluid game to be played. Their unorthodox way of play doesn’t look appealing to the eye so when the euro step came into play no one was doing right hence all the travels being called.

which one do you think is better between euro & cbb?

 

[bigsupa]

i f’n hate mens league refs

I swear they take an oath that says they’re required to lie about what they think happened on a play when they make bad calls

Like on defense I’ll be 10000% straight up vertical, either feet planted or not, doesn’t matter. Ref will call a foul and show me my arms were at a damn 45 degree angle. Foh

Were you tho?

About men’s leagues... I will say this much... men’s league refs during the season are not good enough to work college or HS games meaning that they are fairly new or on their way out.

A lot of us during the off-season might choose to work some games but ya complain so much about the way we call it the we’d rather not.
You guys have not played in today’s game so when we come in calling them game the way it’s called by today’s standards ya get mad.

Example: I’m pretty sure most of us remember when we played coaches would say cut off the sidelines. Now you cut off the sideline WHILE stepping on the line and get drilled in the chest... it’s a block. The rules committee “the coaches” determined that a player stepping on the line is not within confines of the playing court so they cannot be rewarded with a player control foul.

The money is not even worth it. Leagues know don’t call me for some nonsense fees. Here are signs you play in a bum league...

Your refs are:

Wearing white socks
Wearing adidas track pants
Shirt is not tucked in
Refs have facial hair
Are not wearing black shoes
Fairly over weight
Are probably getting paid <$50 a game.

Here’s what ya have to understand, while your game is the most important one of that night or day for you, it may not be that refs only game. It could be their 3rd 4th or 5th.. on the weekends could be their 7th or 8th so we are burnt out. Real refs will do one game a day or night. Then again we getting paid from $3300 (major D1 conferences) to right below $100 (JV HS) so we don’t need to do multiple games a day.

I know this is long winded but to answer your question you are either playing in a bum league or your refs are inexperienced. Feel free to DM a play next time that happens and I’ll break it down for you.

 

[bigsupa]

bigsupa
Here’s one for you. This is a mens league but they always say we follow HS rules

Shot goes up, I’m on defense, I want to box out dude I’m guarding. I’m 6’4”, he is 6’10”. I box him out - put my butt in him (pause), dude climbs over my back and grabs the board. After I asked the ref how is that legal? He said I initiated the contact. Wtf? I’m like yea I’m boxing him out. Red told me a box out isn’t in the rule book. I’m like okay man you got it.

LMAO it was a foul when you put your butt on another man.. JK

OK you’re 6’4 he’s 6’10”... here is where physics comes into play which I bet a lot of you don’t realize we use that to ref.

His arm reach is DEF longer than yours so if you’re boxing out and try to jump and he jumps behind you and reaches over your arms it’s 100% legal, as long as you do not get displaced (being pushed out your legal guarding position) its considered a play on.

The only thing the ref was wrong in was his delivery on the explanation but he’s right the term box out isn’t in the rule book it’s called legal guarding positions

 

[bigsupa]

Had A Similar Situation Once Where I Grabbed A Board, And Had A Guy Behind Me Take The Ball Out My Hands When I Was Coming Back Down. He Went Up With The Shot And The Ref Blows The Whistle For A Foul

I Was Pretty Pumped, Im 5'10 Guy Behind Me Was About 6'5. I Boxed Out, Did All The Fundamentals, But Felt Naturally Based On The Height Difference He Was A Bit Over My Back. Turns Out Ref Called A Foul ON ME. EVERYONE On The Court Was Confused And Asked Him To Clarify (Potentially Correct The Call) Since I Did Nothing Other Than Get The Pill Taken From Me On The Rebound.

Ref Doubles Down On It Being A Foul On Me, Counts The Basket Too (Guy Made The Putback). And Gave No Explanation

Hit the weight room... lol

Your play sounds confusing AF. It sounds like as your coming down you get the pill stripped and get called for a foul on his put back. You also say he was a bit over your back. Basketball unfortunately is a contact sport.. there is legal and illegal contact.

There are 10 rules in basketball believe it or not.. within those 10 rules there are a ton of articles exemptions. Fouls, while they are a rule it is more of a judgement based rule. The kind of basketball I work i allow a lot more of a physical game cuz my players can play thru it and finish. In men’s games I know you have to go to work in the morning, I don’t want you to get hurt so my whistle will be a lot faster than my norm, on the flip coin of that ya complain. So we lose no matter what while we win cuz we the only once’s getting paid that day

With that said there will never be a refs foul over turned LEGALLY in a game. Out of bounds, backcourt, in bounds plays CAN be overturned but then again if the other ref is looking at that play who’s looking at AOR... area of responsibility

 

[bigsupa]

which one do you think is better between euro & cbb?

CBB def!

 

[206to813]

LMAO it was a foul when you put your butt on another man.. JK

OK you’re 6’4 he’s 6’10”... here is where physics comes into play which I bet a lot of you don’t realize we use that to ref.

His arm reach is DEF longer than yours so if you’re boxing out and try to jump and he jumps behind you and reaches over your arms it’s 100% legal, as long as you do not get displaced (being pushed out your legal guarding position) its considered a play on.

The only thing the ref was wrong in was his delivery on the explanation but he’s right the term box out isn’t in the rule book it’s called legal guarding positions

That’s tuff, sounds like the “over the back” foul isn’t in your rule book?

 

[bigsupa]

That’s tuff, sounds like the “over the back” foul isn’t in your rule book?

It’s only over the back when you get displaced, we can’t penalize a player for being taller and longer than their opponents. If he reaches ABOVE you it’s nothing if he reaches completely OVER you while your holding the ball by your waist it’s a foul.

Unless you have a 54” vertical you’re not out jumping someone 6” taller than you.

Again you are referring to a men’s game.. these officials may or may not be as clear on the rules as most professionals.

You got an issue with your kitchen sink and you go to Home Depot and hire them guys by the truck to fix it and your sink still leaks, that’s on you. You hire a professional it’s fixed.
You play at a men’s league paying guys $35-50 a game that’s what you gonna get. Move on to the next play.

 

[アミーゴ]

Bro I’ve been T’d up and ejected from so many mens leagues - highlight was a church league

 

[uncalled4boy]

Hit the weight room... lol

Your play sounds confusing AF. It sounds like as your coming down you get the pill stripped and get called for a foul on his put back. You also say he was a bit over your back. Basketball unfortunately is a contact sport.. there is legal and illegal contact.

There are 10 rules in basketball believe it or not.. within those 10 rules there are a ton of articles exemptions. Fouls, while they are a rule it is more of a judgement based rule. The kind of basketball I work i allow a lot more of a physical game cuz my players can play thru it and finish. In men’s games I know you have to go to work in the morning, I don’t want you to get hurt so my whistle will be a lot faster than my norm, on the flip coin of that ya complain. So we lose no matter what while we win cuz we the only once’s getting paid that day

With that said there will never be a refs foul over turned LEGALLY in a game. Out of bounds, backcourt, in bounds plays CAN be overturned but then again if the other ref is looking at that play who’s looking at AOR... area of responsibility

Yeah To Clarify

He's Leaning On My Back As I Box Out But Doesnt Have To Jump To Get The Ball Because Of The Height Advantage

At The Peak Of My Jump To Grab The Board He Reaches Up And Takes The Ball Out Of My Hand And Goes Up For A Layup.

When I Then Land I Then Get Called For A Foul. While I Of Course Want The Call To Go My Way, To Me I Thought It's Either

A) No Call Play. I TO The Ball And He Scores
B) A Jump Ball

But In No Way Do I Think It's A Foul On Me.

8 Second Mark In This Vid Is Somewhat A Visual, Just Picture The Guy In Red Stealing The Ball At The Height Of The Guy In Blacks Jump And Then Shooting.

 

[John00]

MY GOODNESS! EVERYTHING HE SAID IS ALL FACTS! Everything he said is a HUGE REASON my I can’t stand watching the NBA anymore. It’s insane how the game is so odd to watch now with refs letting CONSISTENT RULE VIOLATIONS go on.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

 

[アミーゴ]

DCAllAfrican we playing this summer?

 

[206to813]

I stand by what I said…. Refs are never wrong, even when they’re wrong. Can you imagine how their marriages are

 

[206to813]

Wait, are you saying a step thru is a HS/ncaa travel?

In NCAA/HS yes it is.

Okay