As a black atheist, I like to address questions of why African Americans are so religious

[dame theory]

Being black in this country and being gay or an atheist is basically akin to social suicide.

Its a lot to take this position but I hope to bring out these complex issues and to ask people really question notions of what they believe and come to embrace humanity as a whole rather than holding onto ideas which divide so many people.

Its hard out here and I've met people via the internet that have helped to serve as a similar support system.�

If you disagree, thats fine, i'm just sharing some thoughts.�

If you like this video check out the The Atheist Experience on YouTube

From Reddit:

It is generally common for atheists to consider that the arguments against religion boil down to science, the facts, debate, etc. It puzzles many why someone when faced with all the evidence for evolution for example would still choose to ignore it. I think that many atheists are ignoring the REAL issue, the true reason why it is hard for someone to reject their religion.




I was raised Christian all my life, in a VERY fundamentalist home. I was taught the earth was 6,000 years old created out of nothing, heaven, hell - the whole thing. I was taught how important it was to witness and attempt to "convert" others. I was taught that even bad things, really bad things, had some sort of divine reason and plan attached to them. I believed this into my early twenties.




When I was finally faced with the irrefutable facts, and raw science behind them, I let go - very reluctantly - of my cherished beliefs. It was not easy, It was like wrestling a priceless gem from someone who would just not let go of it.




When you reject religion, its not like - rejecting the earth is not flat for example. With something like this you can say "Oh ok, now I know" - but religion has a much darker and deep rooted hold on a person, and a much more profound effect.




There were times I was actually in tears thinking about the fact that there was no "afterlife" - and that those I had loved who had died - were really dead. They weren't watching me, or having some hand in guiding me. They didn't still "love me". That was pretty depressing.




It is strange how religion gives you a way to reject the reality of death - which I guess does help to 'ease your suffering', that you "know they went to a better place" - but it also prevents proper mourning. When someone you love dies, and they tell you on their death bed that they will see you one day in heaven, you are more prepared for them to "die" because you know they aren't really "dead".




To reject heaven and accept atheism - is not merely about science, facts, beliefs, etc - it is about accepting the reality of all those who have died - being really dead. It is accepting the same reality about everyone you love NOW one day being - really dead. It is accepting the same reality about YOU one day.

The older you are, the more dear loved ones have passed away, the harder it will be to reject the notions of religion. To reject religion requires the re-mourning of everyone who you love who has died.




Death is just one piece of a very complex puzzle. If you have spent your whole life "living by faith" - and you have made decisions "by faith" that have resulted in really bad situations in your life, you now have to own up to the fact that these situations came about because of YOUR choices. You do not have God to take the burden of this. You can no longer say "This happened because God has some plan for my life"




By rejecting religion, you must also reject the notion that you can avoid responsibility for poor life situations. That too is a hard pill to swallow.

Next, you must reject the idea that your path is somehow guided, that God is walking with you, that you are not truly alone as you walk through life.




Imagine a man walking through a room on planks of wood suspended over spikes with large holes to fall in if you take a wrong step. He always manages to take the right next step, but he is never afraid because he "knows" that this is a solid wood floor he is walking on. Now turn on the lights.




To reject religion means to accept the idea that you CAN fall - and fall HARD. It means you have to recognize that up until now you have been fortunate - but now you have to force yourself to think about your next steps.




If you have been spending your life "following Christ", or witnessing to people, to the extent of even studying this in college, or spending hundreds and hundreds of hours reading and studying the Bible, praying, etc - only to find out that ALL of it was utterly and totally useless, then you have another hard pill to swallow. Imagine swallowing that pill as an older person.




To accept this means to accept that you have lived a large part of your life in vain, while thinking it was purposeful. Talking to such a person about atheism is similar to telling them that their whole life is without purpose, misguided, and that they have missed out on the only opportunity they will ever have to live life.




Surely one can then see why the concept of atheism is offensive and infuriating to so many people.




Then there is the concept of a personal relationship with God. The idea that God and you are "friends". That you are somehow "above the world". That you are living in a bubble safe and protected by God himself.




To reject religion, means accepting that you are just like everyone else - and in fact, worse off than most and behind the race because of your past religious belief. To someone who has spent a lifetime believing they are special in this regard, a piece of them is gone, never to return.




Worse than this, such a person values their imaginary relationship with God more than any aspect of their REAL personality. Who you really are takes second stage to your supposed relationship with the almighty.




Rejecting this is surely very difficult, as it entails rejecting a large part of the perceived value someone has in themselves.




I know I have not covered it all, but I hope I have helped to show that there is more to the picture of "religion vs atheism" than merely science, and facts.




The emotional side of religion is by far a larger and darker obstacle than any other that would stand in the way between someone's freedom from delusion and accepting reality.

 

[dame theory]

Being black in this country and being gay or an atheist is basically akin to social suicide.

Its a lot to take this position but I hope to bring out these complex issues and to ask people really question notions of what they believe and come to embrace humanity as a whole rather than holding onto ideas which divide so many people.

Its hard out here and I've met people via the internet that have helped to serve as a similar support system.�

If you disagree, thats fine, i'm just sharing some thoughts.�

If you like this video check out the The Atheist Experience on YouTube

From Reddit:

It is generally common for atheists to consider that the arguments against religion boil down to science, the facts, debate, etc. It puzzles many why someone when faced with all the evidence for evolution for example would still choose to ignore it. I think that many atheists are ignoring the REAL issue, the true reason why it is hard for someone to reject their religion.




I was raised Christian all my life, in a VERY fundamentalist home. I was taught the earth was 6,000 years old created out of nothing, heaven, hell - the whole thing. I was taught how important it was to witness and attempt to "convert" others. I was taught that even bad things, really bad things, had some sort of divine reason and plan attached to them. I believed this into my early twenties.




When I was finally faced with the irrefutable facts, and raw science behind them, I let go - very reluctantly - of my cherished beliefs. It was not easy, It was like wrestling a priceless gem from someone who would just not let go of it.




When you reject religion, its not like - rejecting the earth is not flat for example. With something like this you can say "Oh ok, now I know" - but religion has a much darker and deep rooted hold on a person, and a much more profound effect.




There were times I was actually in tears thinking about the fact that there was no "afterlife" - and that those I had loved who had died - were really dead. They weren't watching me, or having some hand in guiding me. They didn't still "love me". That was pretty depressing.




It is strange how religion gives you a way to reject the reality of death - which I guess does help to 'ease your suffering', that you "know they went to a better place" - but it also prevents proper mourning. When someone you love dies, and they tell you on their death bed that they will see you one day in heaven, you are more prepared for them to "die" because you know they aren't really "dead".




To reject heaven and accept atheism - is not merely about science, facts, beliefs, etc - it is about accepting the reality of all those who have died - being really dead. It is accepting the same reality about everyone you love NOW one day being - really dead. It is accepting the same reality about YOU one day.

The older you are, the more dear loved ones have passed away, the harder it will be to reject the notions of religion. To reject religion requires the re-mourning of everyone who you love who has died.




Death is just one piece of a very complex puzzle. If you have spent your whole life "living by faith" - and you have made decisions "by faith" that have resulted in really bad situations in your life, you now have to own up to the fact that these situations came about because of YOUR choices. You do not have God to take the burden of this. You can no longer say "This happened because God has some plan for my life"




By rejecting religion, you must also reject the notion that you can avoid responsibility for poor life situations. That too is a hard pill to swallow.

Next, you must reject the idea that your path is somehow guided, that God is walking with you, that you are not truly alone as you walk through life.




Imagine a man walking through a room on planks of wood suspended over spikes with large holes to fall in if you take a wrong step. He always manages to take the right next step, but he is never afraid because he "knows" that this is a solid wood floor he is walking on. Now turn on the lights.




To reject religion means to accept the idea that you CAN fall - and fall HARD. It means you have to recognize that up until now you have been fortunate - but now you have to force yourself to think about your next steps.




If you have been spending your life "following Christ", or witnessing to people, to the extent of even studying this in college, or spending hundreds and hundreds of hours reading and studying the Bible, praying, etc - only to find out that ALL of it was utterly and totally useless, then you have another hard pill to swallow. Imagine swallowing that pill as an older person.




To accept this means to accept that you have lived a large part of your life in vain, while thinking it was purposeful. Talking to such a person about atheism is similar to telling them that their whole life is without purpose, misguided, and that they have missed out on the only opportunity they will ever have to live life.




Surely one can then see why the concept of atheism is offensive and infuriating to so many people.




Then there is the concept of a personal relationship with God. The idea that God and you are "friends". That you are somehow "above the world". That you are living in a bubble safe and protected by God himself.




To reject religion, means accepting that you are just like everyone else - and in fact, worse off than most and behind the race because of your past religious belief. To someone who has spent a lifetime believing they are special in this regard, a piece of them is gone, never to return.




Worse than this, such a person values their imaginary relationship with God more than any aspect of their REAL personality. Who you really are takes second stage to your supposed relationship with the almighty.




Rejecting this is surely very difficult, as it entails rejecting a large part of the perceived value someone has in themselves.




I know I have not covered it all, but I hope I have helped to show that there is more to the picture of "religion vs atheism" than merely science, and facts.




The emotional side of religion is by far a larger and darker obstacle than any other that would stand in the way between someone's freedom from delusion and accepting reality.

 

[patrick bateman]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Why do people make Higher power/The Creator/God/Supreme being/ Grand Architect of the Universe etc synonymous with RELIGION?[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]I believe in something greater than us all, but when it comes to religion, I couldn't care less.[/color]

 

[patrick bateman]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Why do people make Higher power/The Creator/God/Supreme being/ Grand Architect of the Universe etc synonymous with RELIGION?[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]I believe in something greater than us all, but when it comes to religion, I couldn't care less.[/color]

 

[dame theory]

Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Why do people make Higher power/The Creator/God/Supreme being/ Grand Architect of the Universe etc synonymous with RELIGION?[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]I believe in something greater than us all, but when it comes to religion, I couldn't care less.[/color]

I hear where you're coming from...but most of the "deists" out there just like to believe in a God shaped by the religion they've rejected.
If you are a pure deist, thats kinda hard to define. 

If you were raised as a christian but rejected christianity but still believed in god, you'd be believing in a christian god who does christian like things, but you're not submitting to the other rules and patterns being used in the christian church. Like lets say if all christians start wearing fitted caps to church, but since you don't go to church then you'll not be wearing those caps but you'll definitely still believe in a christian god, more than likely, that did those "miracles" or is responsible for certain things often attributed to your understanding of a god... as molded by christianity.

Its the same thing with some muslims I know or jews. They say they're non-practicing but still believe in a God. They're rejecting the formal patterns and rules of that religion but their concept of God is still molded by their experience in that religion. 

To purely believe in some higher power whose realm or ability is not molded by any religion is extremely rare if not difficult to explain. It is so difficult because we often set the boundaries on where God exists for each of us. Thus if your god can move mountains and mine can only help you pass tests and help swerving cars to avoid you then those are two different notions of God of which neither are right, especially if one of those understandings of God originated in a religion.

Catch my drift?

Your entire notion of God...is christian...especially if you haven't tried to look at other understandings of God. That still makes you a christian. You may not belong to a church, but you're still a christian. Same with every other loosely religious person. 

Thats why when people say I'm not religious, i still believe in God though... It sounds like a cop-out to me. Its like a way of showing how diverse of a personality they have while covering their tail if their savior returns...but I thought they weren't religious...so they can't have a savior... unless they really are still religious... See the contradiction here? Most christians that believe in jesus but claim to not follow a religion reject the whole tenet of the religion. Whatever perverse twist on christianity is still centered on Jesus and him coming back... at least in christianity. Not matter if your priest wears robes, if you live in rural communities in pennslyvania, or if you traveled west and set up shop in Utah. You can say well i'm just a raw christian...well congrats, thats still a religion. 

Its all people experiencing various ranges on a gray scale of religiosity. You can say you're not religious, but you still accept the notion of God as presented by religions that have molded that understanding of God. 

 

[dame theory]

Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Why do people make Higher power/The Creator/God/Supreme being/ Grand Architect of the Universe etc synonymous with RELIGION?[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]I believe in something greater than us all, but when it comes to religion, I couldn't care less.[/color]

I hear where you're coming from...but most of the "deists" out there just like to believe in a God shaped by the religion they've rejected.
If you are a pure deist, thats kinda hard to define. 

If you were raised as a christian but rejected christianity but still believed in god, you'd be believing in a christian god who does christian like things, but you're not submitting to the other rules and patterns being used in the christian church. Like lets say if all christians start wearing fitted caps to church, but since you don't go to church then you'll not be wearing those caps but you'll definitely still believe in a christian god, more than likely, that did those "miracles" or is responsible for certain things often attributed to your understanding of a god... as molded by christianity.

Its the same thing with some muslims I know or jews. They say they're non-practicing but still believe in a God. They're rejecting the formal patterns and rules of that religion but their concept of God is still molded by their experience in that religion. 

To purely believe in some higher power whose realm or ability is not molded by any religion is extremely rare if not difficult to explain. It is so difficult because we often set the boundaries on where God exists for each of us. Thus if your god can move mountains and mine can only help you pass tests and help swerving cars to avoid you then those are two different notions of God of which neither are right, especially if one of those understandings of God originated in a religion.

Catch my drift?

Your entire notion of God...is christian...especially if you haven't tried to look at other understandings of God. That still makes you a christian. You may not belong to a church, but you're still a christian. Same with every other loosely religious person. 

Thats why when people say I'm not religious, i still believe in God though... It sounds like a cop-out to me. Its like a way of showing how diverse of a personality they have while covering their tail if their savior returns...but I thought they weren't religious...so they can't have a savior... unless they really are still religious... See the contradiction here? Most christians that believe in jesus but claim to not follow a religion reject the whole tenet of the religion. Whatever perverse twist on christianity is still centered on Jesus and him coming back... at least in christianity. Not matter if your priest wears robes, if you live in rural communities in pennslyvania, or if you traveled west and set up shop in Utah. You can say well i'm just a raw christian...well congrats, thats still a religion. 

Its all people experiencing various ranges on a gray scale of religiosity. You can say you're not religious, but you still accept the notion of God as presented by religions that have molded that understanding of God. 

 

[itsgettinhot]

Dude... what do you have against religion?

 

[itsgettinhot]

Dude... what do you have against religion?

 

[toy collector123]

At what point in your life did you reject religion? What made you say, I will not believe in religion? Did you grow up in a religious house?

 

[toy collector123]

At what point in your life did you reject religion? What made you say, I will not believe in religion? Did you grow up in a religious house?

 

[hendrix watermelon]

Originally Posted by ItsGettinHot

Dude... what do you have against religion?

what do you have for religion?

 

[hendrix watermelon]

Originally Posted by ItsGettinHot

Dude... what do you have against religion?

what do you have for religion?

 

[patrick bateman]

Originally Posted by Dame Theory

Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Why do people make Higher power/The Creator/God/Supreme being/ Grand Architect of the Universe etc synonymous with RELIGION?[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]I believe in something greater than us all, but when it comes to religion, I couldn't care less.[/color]

I hear where you're coming from...but most of the "deists" out there just like to believe in a God shaped by the religion they've rejected.
If you are a pure deist, thats kinda hard to define. 

If you were raised as a christian but rejected christianity but still believed in god, you'd be believing in a christian god who does christian like things, but you're not submitting to the other rules and patterns being used in the christian church. Like lets say if all christians start wearing fitted caps to church, but since you don't go to church then you'll not be wearing those caps but you'll definitely still believe in a christian god, more than likely, that did those "miracles" or is responsible for certain things often attributed to your understanding of a god... as molded by christianity.

Its the same thing with some muslims I know or jews. They say they're non-practicing but still believe in a God. They're rejecting the formal patterns and rules of that religion but their concept of God is still molded by their experience in that religion. 

To purely believe in some higher power whose realm or ability is not molded by any religion is extremely rare if not difficult to explain. It is so difficult because we often set the boundaries on where God exists for each of us. Thus if your god can move mountains and mine can only help you pass tests and help swerving cars to avoid you then those are two different notions of God of which neither are right, especially if one of those understandings of God originated in a religion.

Catch my drift?

Thats why when people say I'm not religious, i still believe in God though... It sounds like a cop-out to me. Its like a way of showing how diverse of a personality they have while covering their tail if their savior returns...but I thought they weren't religious...so they can't have a savior... Its all people experiencing various ranges on a gray scale of religiosity. You can say you're not religious, but you still accept the notion of God as presented by religions that have molded that understanding of God. 

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Do you hear yourself? I won't bother going getting into it with you because judging by what you just posted, you seem to think you have all the answers (sort of like religious leaders [/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)] which is pretty ironic

).[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]And I love the way you really just tried to tell me what "God" it is I believe in as if you have any clue what goes on in my head.

Posted by some NT'er:

[/color]

To answer this, we need a clear understanding of religion. By “religion,

 

[patrick bateman]

Originally Posted by Dame Theory

Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Why do people make Higher power/The Creator/God/Supreme being/ Grand Architect of the Universe etc synonymous with RELIGION?[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]I believe in something greater than us all, but when it comes to religion, I couldn't care less.[/color]

I hear where you're coming from...but most of the "deists" out there just like to believe in a God shaped by the religion they've rejected.
If you are a pure deist, thats kinda hard to define. 

If you were raised as a christian but rejected christianity but still believed in god, you'd be believing in a christian god who does christian like things, but you're not submitting to the other rules and patterns being used in the christian church. Like lets say if all christians start wearing fitted caps to church, but since you don't go to church then you'll not be wearing those caps but you'll definitely still believe in a christian god, more than likely, that did those "miracles" or is responsible for certain things often attributed to your understanding of a god... as molded by christianity.

Its the same thing with some muslims I know or jews. They say they're non-practicing but still believe in a God. They're rejecting the formal patterns and rules of that religion but their concept of God is still molded by their experience in that religion. 

To purely believe in some higher power whose realm or ability is not molded by any religion is extremely rare if not difficult to explain. It is so difficult because we often set the boundaries on where God exists for each of us. Thus if your god can move mountains and mine can only help you pass tests and help swerving cars to avoid you then those are two different notions of God of which neither are right, especially if one of those understandings of God originated in a religion.

Catch my drift?

Thats why when people say I'm not religious, i still believe in God though... It sounds like a cop-out to me. Its like a way of showing how diverse of a personality they have while covering their tail if their savior returns...but I thought they weren't religious...so they can't have a savior... Its all people experiencing various ranges on a gray scale of religiosity. You can say you're not religious, but you still accept the notion of God as presented by religions that have molded that understanding of God. 

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Do you hear yourself? I won't bother going getting into it with you because judging by what you just posted, you seem to think you have all the answers (sort of like religious leaders [/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)] which is pretty ironic

).[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]And I love the way you really just tried to tell me what "God" it is I believe in as if you have any clue what goes on in my head.

Posted by some NT'er:

[/color]

To answer this, we need a clear understanding of religion. By “religion,

 

[ruxxx]

Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Why do people make Higher power/The Creator/God/Supreme being/ Grand Architect of the Universe etc synonymous with RELIGION?[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]I believe in something greater than us all, but when it comes to religion, I couldn't care less.[/color]

 

[ruxxx]

Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Why do people make Higher power/The Creator/God/Supreme being/ Grand Architect of the Universe etc synonymous with RELIGION?[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]I believe in something greater than us all, but when it comes to religion, I couldn't care less.[/color]

 

[dame theory]

Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

Originally Posted by Dame Theory

Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Why do people make Higher power/The Creator/God/Supreme being/ Grand Architect of the Universe etc synonymous with RELIGION?[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]I believe in something greater than us all, but when it comes to religion, I couldn't care less.[/color]

I hear where you're coming from...but most of the "deists" out there just like to believe in a God shaped by the religion they've rejected.
If you are a pure deist, thats kinda hard to define. 

If you were raised as a christian but rejected christianity but still believed in god, you'd be believing in a christian god who does christian like things, but you're not submitting to the other rules and patterns being used in the christian church. Like lets say if all christians start wearing fitted caps to church, but since you don't go to church then you'll not be wearing those caps but you'll definitely still believe in a christian god, more than likely, that did those "miracles" or is responsible for certain things often attributed to your understanding of a god... as molded by christianity.

Its the same thing with some muslims I know or jews. They say they're non-practicing but still believe in a God. They're rejecting the formal patterns and rules of that religion but their concept of God is still molded by their experience in that religion. 

To purely believe in some higher power whose realm or ability is not molded by any religion is extremely rare if not difficult to explain. It is so difficult because we often set the boundaries on where God exists for each of us. Thus if your god can move mountains and mine can only help you pass tests and help swerving cars to avoid you then those are two different notions of God of which neither are right, especially if one of those understandings of God originated in a religion.

Catch my drift?

Thats why when people say I'm not religious, i still believe in God though... It sounds like a cop-out to me. Its like a way of showing how diverse of a personality they have while covering their tail if their savior returns...but I thought they weren't religious...so they can't have a savior... Its all people experiencing various ranges on a gray scale of religiosity. You can say you're not religious, but you still accept the notion of God as presented by religions that have molded that understanding of God. 

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Do you hear yourself? I won't bother going getting into it with you because judging by what you just posted, you seem to think you have all the answers (sort of like religious leaders [/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)] which is pretty ironic

).[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]And I love the way you really just tried to tell me what "God" it is I believe in as if you have any clue what goes on in my head.

Posted by some NT'er:

[/color]

To answer this, we need a clear understanding of religion. By “religion,

 

[dame theory]

Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

Originally Posted by Dame Theory

Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Why do people make Higher power/The Creator/God/Supreme being/ Grand Architect of the Universe etc synonymous with RELIGION?[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]I believe in something greater than us all, but when it comes to religion, I couldn't care less.[/color]

I hear where you're coming from...but most of the "deists" out there just like to believe in a God shaped by the religion they've rejected.
If you are a pure deist, thats kinda hard to define. 

If you were raised as a christian but rejected christianity but still believed in god, you'd be believing in a christian god who does christian like things, but you're not submitting to the other rules and patterns being used in the christian church. Like lets say if all christians start wearing fitted caps to church, but since you don't go to church then you'll not be wearing those caps but you'll definitely still believe in a christian god, more than likely, that did those "miracles" or is responsible for certain things often attributed to your understanding of a god... as molded by christianity.

Its the same thing with some muslims I know or jews. They say they're non-practicing but still believe in a God. They're rejecting the formal patterns and rules of that religion but their concept of God is still molded by their experience in that religion. 

To purely believe in some higher power whose realm or ability is not molded by any religion is extremely rare if not difficult to explain. It is so difficult because we often set the boundaries on where God exists for each of us. Thus if your god can move mountains and mine can only help you pass tests and help swerving cars to avoid you then those are two different notions of God of which neither are right, especially if one of those understandings of God originated in a religion.

Catch my drift?

Thats why when people say I'm not religious, i still believe in God though... It sounds like a cop-out to me. Its like a way of showing how diverse of a personality they have while covering their tail if their savior returns...but I thought they weren't religious...so they can't have a savior... Its all people experiencing various ranges on a gray scale of religiosity. You can say you're not religious, but you still accept the notion of God as presented by religions that have molded that understanding of God. 

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Do you hear yourself? I won't bother going getting into it with you because judging by what you just posted, you seem to think you have all the answers (sort of like religious leaders [/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)] which is pretty ironic

).[/color]

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]And I love the way you really just tried to tell me what "God" it is I believe in as if you have any clue what goes on in my head.

Posted by some NT'er:

[/color]

To answer this, we need a clear understanding of religion. By “religion,

 

[usainboltisfast]

Can anyone give any insight how Christian spread to African Americans.

 

[Jordan8]

The idea of God came wayyyy wayyyyy before any organized religion.

 

[usainboltisfast]

Can anyone give any insight how Christian spread to African Americans.

 

[Jordan8]

The idea of God came wayyyy wayyyyy before any organized religion.

 

[itsgettinhot]

Originally Posted by Hendrix Watermelon

Originally Posted by ItsGettinHot

Dude... what do you have against religion?

what do you have for religion?

Absolutely nothing.  I'm an atheist.

But every time there's a religion thread, Dame Theory in it tryina talk people out of their faith.

And when there's no religion threads for him to hop in, he makes his own.

Like Jesus beat him up for some pokemon cards or something.

 

[air max 87]

Originally Posted by usainboltisfast

Can anyone give any insight how Christian spread to African Americans.

prob during the slave trade.

 

[itsgettinhot]

Originally Posted by Hendrix Watermelon

Originally Posted by ItsGettinHot

Dude... what do you have against religion?

what do you have for religion?

Absolutely nothing.  I'm an atheist.

But every time there's a religion thread, Dame Theory in it tryina talk people out of their faith.

And when there's no religion threads for him to hop in, he makes his own.

Like Jesus beat him up for some pokemon cards or something.