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Who is slandering anyone else though?
Media, social media, news, articles. Propaganda and agenda. Many people slander others beliefs.
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Who is slandering anyone else though?
I shouldve mentioned thats the attitude I have on this topic not so much people in this thread. I have only skimmed through.
But Media, social media, news, articles. Propaganda and agenda. Many people slander others beliefs
Media, social media, news, articles. Propaganda and agenda. Many people slander others beliefs.
There are numerous Authentic hadiths that are backed by many scholars throughout history and are valid.
There are numerous hadiths that aren't authenticated so sometimes there can be confusion especially for those who aren't knowledgeable.
A Muslim will follow sharia law if its stated in the Quran, and authentic Hadith.
Anywhere from allocations of money if divorce happens, how to clean oneself, how to treat your parents, neighbors, silbings, people in general. How a man should treat his wife/ wife to her husband so on and so forth.
There are a few laws that are taken out of context. A man should never hit his wife. violence is not tolerable unless it is in defense. Arabic has many root words and some are taken out of context.
Here's the contradiction. In many "authentic" or "sahih" (Arabic for correct) hadiths, stoning is an acceptable punishment.
Adultery is punishable by death according to Kitab Al-Hudud.
There are a few ways to go about dealing with adultery.
Yes Adultery according to the Quran is one of the worst sins one can commit. Yes stoning is permissible for those who are caught and are correctly convicted which can be hard to do.
However, there's also Authentic Hadiths stating that those who commit adultery can repent and stay away from that sin. Wait until they find marriage to be sexually active again. Every surah (chapter) int the quran starts out with "In the name of God, most Gracious, most Compassionate" or merciful. Its best to be merciful when applicable but yes punishment is allowed.
Not only does it prevent diseases and unwanted pregnancies; if followed correctly it reinforces family structure within communities.
So are you conceding that hadiths sometimes contradict one another and contradict the Qur'an itself?
I will agree that according to authentic hadith and Quran, adultery is punishable by stoning, flogging with witness and/or honest repentance and ridding oneself of the sin until marriage.
Stoning or "rajm" isn't mentioned in the Qur'an only hadith.
Only flogging or lashing.
Stoning or "rajm" isn't mentioned in the Qur'an only hadith.
Only flogging or lashing.
Religion is all around the world not even including the religions that try to convert like Christianity and Islam
Dont act like the only way religion spreads is thru force
Show me where I even remotely insinuated that.
By me acknowledging that religion was and to some effect still is spread by force?
You love to mince my words.
Fact is religion was globalized largely in part of conquest. That's not to say that was the only way religion was spread. I shouldn't have to spoon-feed you that tidbit for you to realize that I know that. You can try to misrepresent my argument in an attempt to prop yours, but it won't do you much good.
Tales of atheist empires.....Communism...communism tried to spread it but it did not last because people see the positives in religion...Love, hope and other relative truths.
Funny, I guess Cubans didn't get that memo (that they're Atheists) since they're mostly Catholic, nor did North Koreans since they're mostly Buddhist, or VIetnam, Laos and China...Since every remaining communist nation has religion.
You know what WOULD help your argument, if you actually had even one iota of a clue as to what you're talking about.
Joseph Stalin is not the face of communism, as much as you want him to be. He doesn't represent communism as a whole. What he did doesn't speak for other communist regimes.
Communism =/= atheism. Period. No matter how bad you want to lump the two together.
What if I told you, @Mister Friendly, that religion wouldn't be this widespread without conquest?
My ancestors were conquered by Arabs and Islam was forced upon them.
And well, we all know Christianity was forced upon black people.
I am agnostic.
No it reinforces the stronghold men have on the sexuality and lives of women in the Muslim community. Why do you think women who are raped get punished by stoning and death, yet the men are applauded for buying 12 year old sex slaves. It's always been about controlling women's bodies.
What you talking about?
Where am I mincing your words?
Where am I slandering as you've said in a later post?
Do you realize where Communism came from?
Do you realize that the Cuban revolution came after Stalin's attempted removal of religion?
So Castro had a general idea of what he couldn't do in regards to religion?
You say Stalin wasn't the face of communism... as if there's one face to any form of government.
Stalin was the first leader able to practice the Communist philosophies on a large scale over a long period of time.
It probably safe to say other Communist leaders may learned some of his missteps.
The communism atheists tried remove religion from society but it did not work.
They realized it was stupid to try to get rid of religion.
Smooth, a lot of my homies are agnostic.
So are you governed and guided by your own personal moral compass?
LOL so you think there's more cases of rape, abuse and mistreatment of women in the U.S.? That's the most delusional sh$$ I've ever heard in my life. The only difference is women are actually allowed to complain here and have a voice. In Islam 11 year old girls just get raped left and right because they are nothing more than property. There's no hotline these women can call when they get abused by their husbands. I would never wish any of that on my sisters. Hypocritically the women have to remain sexually demur while the men are out there smashing sex slaves and sheep without consequence. Miss me with that nonsense.
That's like when Muslims claim there are so many gays in the West cause they don't worship Allah. Idiots don't realize there are just as many gay people in Muslim countries, they just don't want to be tortured and killed. No matter how you cut it, Islam is evil. I want to raise my daughter in country where she can wear whatever she wants, slee whoever she wants, go to school etc without being stoned to death.
would you let your child sleep with whoever if he was a boy?I want the best for my future daughter, I hope I raise her with morals to dress appropriately, She isnt a sexual object to be displayed to the savages out there. lol at you saying she can sleep with whoever. im done.LOL so you think there's more cases of rape, abuse and mistreatment of women in the U.S.? That's the most delusional sh$$ I've ever heard in my life. The only difference is women are actually allowed to complain here and have a voice. In Islam 11 year old girls just get raped left and right because they are nothing more than property. There's no hotline these women can call when they get abused by their husbands. I would never wish any of that on my sisters. Hypocritically the women have to remain sexually demur while the men are out there smashing sex slaves and sheep without consequence. Miss me with that nonsense.
That's like when Muslims claim there are so many gays in the West cause they don't worship Allah. Idiots don't realize there are just as many gay people in Muslim countries, they just don't want to be tortured and killed. No matter how you cut it, Islam is evil. I want to raise my daughter in country where she can wear whatever she wants, slee whoever she wants, go to school etc without being stoned to death.
would you let your child sleep with whoever if he was a boy?
There is no we. I mentioned it because of what you said when you tried to mock the fact that the LBGT community is being persecuted and oppressed in Russia.Ok so instead of addressing what I said mock the notion that atheists are against discrimination and persecution.The atheists are down for the gays now
Lets ignore that there are many homosexuals that are in fact atheists.
All you've established is that Stalin was an atheist while he was ruling not that every Russian or every person behind the iron curtain renounced their religion once Stalin came in to power. You've yet to establish Russia under Stalin as a nation filled with atheists.Like communism atheist countries weren't severely homophobia too
I don't know why you're pretending like homophobia was in with all atheists.
That's your problem. Athiests aren't like the religious. They have their own ideas and philosophies. There isn't a list of things they all agree on. Just one. Unlike the religious.
But I see you're even willing to be dismissive of real world injustices for the sake of your shifting the blame tactics to make up for poor argument skills.
Many homosexuals are Christian too...whats your point?
My point is you can not dismiss that. You can't just say so what and mention homosexuals are Christians too. That's irrelevant.
When I bring Putin oppressing the LBGT community and supporting that with a religious stance you don't get to mock that especially if it's cuz you have a poor understanding of Stalin and his reign as it regards atheism. Your twisted view on what atheism is will just get continually exposed.
The difference being the religious have a holy text telling them that homosexuality is wrong and a sin and that homosexuals should be punished.Both, atheists and the religious have both persecuted homosexuals.
If an atheist does that it's because they wanted to do that for their reasons. They don't blame it on a made up deity that told them homosexuals deserve to be persecuted.
Do you see the difference yet?
No they don't. All it takes to be an atheist is to not believe in GOD. Nothing more.Oh all the atheists don't agree on ideas and philosophies?
There's no book we follow. We don't all embrace communism. There is no one representative of atheism. If one atheist does something for some reason it doesn't reflect on all atheists. That's not the same as a religious person doing something in the name of their religion because that is what their religion tells them to do.
That's the difference.
Who are you talking about? Who said the majority of Christians practice the zealous form of their religion? Who?But some are foolish enough to believe the majority of Christians practice the zealous form?
Seems you just want to ignore the fact that many (not the majority) of Christians do practice that.
When has any atheist ever said "every Muslim is down for Jihad"?????????? When or where have you seen an atheist say that. These are just ridiculous accusations on your behalf. Saying a whole lot of nothing.Or that every Muslim is down for Jihad?
What is wrong with your mind that you're making these things up? You have been the only one in here talking in absolutes, throwing around the words every and majority. You've been doing it for your side and you've had the nerve to do it for the opposing side as if we're this one united group you get to just squeeze together in this one category because you can't accept it's an individual thing for each person. Not some mass religion.
Can't you grasp that concept?
If an atheist does something bad it's cuz they wanted to. Not like a theist who can blame/accredit their GOD or some holy text. There is no being or text you can find that all "bad atheists" read/listen to in order to justify heinous acts. However, there is something like that for theists.
No. It's the opposite of that. It's the common sense and logic that doesn't let one assume they do know about the unknown.Oh the common sense and logic that helps you know about the unknown
Nobody in here saying they're atheist has claimed they know about the unknown. Only you have consistently and foolishly assumed that and accused ppl of having that stance. You'd be better off not being so stubborn.
So we mention some atheists are homosexuals but when its mentioned that some homosexuals are Christians its irrelevant.
Are you slow? You seriously don't know why I brought it up do you?it was irrelevant when YOU brought it the first time.
Not when they use the bible to back up why they're doing what they're doing.Have you ever thought maybe the Christians who persecuted certain groups like gays did it, because they personally wanted to
No I don't. You're being disingenuous. I asked about specific believers. You never directly address it. Instead you deflect and bring up what one or two atheists have done. You refuse to see the difference between the two. You never answer the question or directly address what I said. Instead you deflect and try to pretend it doesn't matter.You act every believer practices all the stuff in their religious texts
This is a general statement that is false.Believers don't mindlessly follow all the religious texts because they have to.
Or does the parts of the religious texts that say to do that motivate them to do those things?The ones who are commit "immoral" acts do it because they want to and they pick and choose parts of the religious text as an excuse.
Never said there were.The no universal texts for all the religions together.
Never said they didn't.Different religions have different teachings.
Not when it's the religious text that tells the zealot to do it. Also there isn't just one religious zealot.When one religious zealot does something bad, it doesn't reflect on rest of the religion either.
There is no pretending going on here.But If atheists want to pretend like an heinous act is reflection people on all religious people
It has nothing to do with fairness. That's just you trying to share the blame instead of being accountable.then I think its fair to point out as heinous acts by atheists too.
Show me where anyone said all Muslims or all Christians do ____ in this thread. Show me where these blanket statements are.Making things up?.....You must not know to read if you haven't read the blanket statements about Christians and Muslims. Where was your fake outrage then?
That's not how beliefs work.Yes if you're believing that God doesn't exist...you are believing to know something about the unknown
Let's not even get started on the plunder the Arab world has had on Africa :x .
http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/09122001.htm
http://www.africanholocaust.net/news_ah/arabslavetrade.htm
Basically, the Arab world is what America was 200 years ago. There are still African slaves owned by Arab slave owners today. Before you condemn European colonialism, you might wanna educate yourself on the role the Arab world played. It was ugly.:x
As for my daughter it is not her duty to make sure men aren't bloody savages. It's typical Arab misogyny to place the blame on the victim. Woman gets raped...it's because she wasn't wearing a sheet over her head. 12 year old gets raped, well she shouldn't have gone to school to get an education. Instead of making men take responsibility Islam punishes the victim. What people call rape here, people in the Arab world just call sex. There's no such thing as "rape" to fundamentalists. People out there are still living in the damn dark ages.
As for gays, you pretend not to care but your statement is part of the problem. All you said is, let them be gay just not in this country. So gays who were born in those lands aren't entitled to the same right to dignity and safety as everyone else? They live in the closet because of fear of being hung at the gallows in front of spectators.
EVIL INCARNATE. Islam is the poster boy for sexual VIOLENCE.
If someone made the same excuse for European colonialism you'd be heated, delusional muslim is delusional.
Arabs enslaved the SH out of Africans