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Kawhi made First Team all Defense and Tim Duncan made second team. Both deserving
2015-2016 San Antonio Spurs Thread: Tim Duncan Retires After 19 Seasons
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2 elite defenders (Kawhi, Timmy) then underrated defender in DG. That's 3 out of your 5 starters that can/should lock up.
If DG goes and MB goes we don't really have that floor spacing that really enhances our ball movement. Which has been the jist of our offense for the past 3 seasons.
It'd be interesting to see if we do land LA or MG, what our game plan will be.
I think i'd prefer LA over Gasol for now, Splitter/LA is a great combo.
If DG goes and MB goes we don't really have that floor spacing that really enhances our ball movement. Which has been the jist of our offense for the past 3 seasons.
It'd be interesting to see if we do land LA or MG, what our game plan will be.
I think i'd prefer LA over Gasol for now, Splitter/LA is a great combo.
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Gasol or LA?
Gasol/Timmy/Spitter - that's a lot of big bodies, surely Splitter would go.
Man, just cant wait to see what the Spurs have in plans for the off season.
Gasol/Timmy/Spitter - that's a lot of big bodies, surely Splitter would go.
Man, just cant wait to see what the Spurs have in plans for the off season.
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Man Marc Gasol aint coming here
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I'm taking Gasol if I had the option between the two of them, but I do feel that out of all three of the big name FA bigs (Gasol, LMA, Love) Gasol is the most likely option to stay with his current team.
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man spurs this year truly broke our hearts, i truly believe if they got past that game 7 we would be in the finals right now.... 
its hard for me not to blame poppovich for not being completely ready for that pelicans game....i know his mentality is usually home court or not we don't care, but this year he should have...
anyways, i think for one last finals push with timmy they need to break the bank this year a bit....either bring in a all-star shooting guard/small forward with some handles....or bring in a top big to bang down low...
pop knows how to use bigs to produce on both sides of the floor so not too worried about points....plus you surround yourself with 1-2 more top 3 point shooters and we can make 1 more push.
its hard for me not to blame poppovich for not being completely ready for that pelicans game....i know his mentality is usually home court or not we don't care, but this year he should have...
anyways, i think for one last finals push with timmy they need to break the bank this year a bit....either bring in a all-star shooting guard/small forward with some handles....or bring in a top big to bang down low...
pop knows how to use bigs to produce on both sides of the floor so not too worried about points....plus you surround yourself with 1-2 more top 3 point shooters and we can make 1 more push.
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The Spurs had 2 chances to close it out SMH. Could've smashed Houston in 4-5 and is really the only team that could legitimately beat the Warriors in 7 games.
But then I look at the season we had. Early injuries, inconsistency. We had a good run towards the end of the season where everyone was gelling and we were seeing the Spurs of old.
However we lost our last game - just like we lost the 1st round in the last game. It was always against us and we just ran out of time.
Just going to be hard to find someone who can reproduce 50% of Timmy does, LA can do it offensively, defensively so so. Gasol has both facets, but we arguably have Gasol in the form of Splitter, who I think is an integral part to our strategy. Some think he's a bum, but he's an X factor who plays within the system. For me Splitter/LA/Leonard/Green/Parker is still a force to be reckoned with, hell even Timmy/LA/Leonard/Green/Parker is ridiculous. Bring in Diaw, Splitter, Ginobili, Patty Mills and you're in good shape.
Will Baynes get resigned? He's got potential to improve his game within the system. He had a few impact games throughout the season, good hustle player. Kind of reminds me of a more refined Tyler Hansbrough..
I want to say the front office have Danny Green, LA and Ginobili as their top priorities and $$$ wise.
Still haven't heard any rumours or anything lately..
EDIT: I was thinking Ray Allen could be an alternative to Belinelli lol... 38 yr old+ club.
But then I look at the season we had. Early injuries, inconsistency. We had a good run towards the end of the season where everyone was gelling and we were seeing the Spurs of old.
However we lost our last game - just like we lost the 1st round in the last game. It was always against us and we just ran out of time.
Just going to be hard to find someone who can reproduce 50% of Timmy does, LA can do it offensively, defensively so so. Gasol has both facets, but we arguably have Gasol in the form of Splitter, who I think is an integral part to our strategy. Some think he's a bum, but he's an X factor who plays within the system. For me Splitter/LA/Leonard/Green/Parker is still a force to be reckoned with, hell even Timmy/LA/Leonard/Green/Parker is ridiculous. Bring in Diaw, Splitter, Ginobili, Patty Mills and you're in good shape.
Will Baynes get resigned? He's got potential to improve his game within the system. He had a few impact games throughout the season, good hustle player. Kind of reminds me of a more refined Tyler Hansbrough..
I want to say the front office have Danny Green, LA and Ginobili as their top priorities and $$$ wise.
Still haven't heard any rumours or anything lately..
EDIT: I was thinking Ray Allen could be an alternative to Belinelli lol... 38 yr old+ club.
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No Ginobili
Let it go!
The Spurs need to get hella younger
Let it go!
The Spurs need to get hella younger
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Theres such a line in the sand on Manu in here
. He should come back man for like 3Ms.
As long as pop and Tim are around we're in title contention.
Post 30,000 wow. I post too much
As long as pop and Tim are around we're in title contention.
Post 30,000 wow. I post too much
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http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursn...oor-look-at-the-medical-secrets-of-the-spurs/
If there is something new or cutting edge going on in the NBA, there’s an excellent chance the Spurs are at the forefront.
They were one of the first NBA teams to install the SportVU camera tracking systems that are now found in every NBA arena. They were one of the first NBA teams to hire an applied sports scientist. And, according to this fascinating piece from Ken Berger of CBS Sports, they were one of the first NBA teams to employ Catapult, an Australian company that specializes in biomechanical analysis.
As Berger explains:
This season, 12 NBA teams…used (Catapult’s) monitoring device, which is about the size of a car clicker and fits into the lining of a compression shirt.
The tiny device features a location-positioning system (indoor GPS); an accelerometer to measure stops and starts; a gyroscope to measure the body’s bending and twisting; and a magnetometer to measure direction. Oh, it also has a microprocessor that collects and parses more than 1,000 data points per second, beaming them to the trainer’s screen of choice in real time.
At least half the NBA teams using the device also have their players wear heart-rate monitors at the same time to track what’s going on inside their bodies in response to training. The coaching staff can monitor every player’s movement patterns and physiological responses in real time, and all the data can be integrated to provide a complete picture of how a player is moving and how his body is responding to it.
Less important than the actual in-game data is the cumulative picture it provides of player health, giving coaches something more than gut instincts to rely on as they try to navigate their roster through the grueling NBA season.
The focus of Berger’s story is the Golden State Warriors, who shared how the accumulated data influenced Steve Kerr’s controversial decision to rest a handful of his key players, including eventual MVP Stephen Curry, during a long road trip late in the season.
“We felt like those guys were reaching their limit,” said Keke Lyles, Golden State’s director of athletic performance. “A lot of non-contact injuries are fatigue-related. If we see big drops consistently over the last few games, and we know in practice they’ve dropped and they’re telling us they’re tired and sore and beat up, then we start painting a big picture: ‘Yeah, these guys are probably fatigued.’ When they’re fatigued, they’re at a higher risk.”
Indeed, a Catapult executive shared an anecdote with Berger about a trainer for a soccer team that uses its devices who predicted that particular player had an 85 percent chance of injury if he played in an upcoming match. He did, and promptly pulled a hamstring.
The secretive Spurs, of course, would never reveal such information. Rather, coach Gregg Popovich, one of the first coaches to actively rest players against conventional wisdom, speaks only in vague terms about who he chooses to sit, and when.
“Pop doesn’t need computers,” Kerr joked to Berger. “He has his own brain and it gathers all this data and figures it out on his own.”
Kerr has a point, in that Popovich apparently doesn’t even have a computer in his office at the team practice site. But as Berger notes, the Spurs were one of the first two NBA teams, along with Dallas, to hire Catapult, joining up after the 2011 lockout. The players can often be seen wearing their harnesses during training camp, with blinking lights under their jerseys making them look like the robots many have long suspected them to be.
In reality, the Spurs are human beings, made of bone and muscle and ligaments prone to breaking down with overuse. And now we know just a little bit more about how they and an increasing number of NBA teams endeavor to keep all those exceptionally athletic bodies in one piece.
If there is something new or cutting edge going on in the NBA, there’s an excellent chance the Spurs are at the forefront.
They were one of the first NBA teams to install the SportVU camera tracking systems that are now found in every NBA arena. They were one of the first NBA teams to hire an applied sports scientist. And, according to this fascinating piece from Ken Berger of CBS Sports, they were one of the first NBA teams to employ Catapult, an Australian company that specializes in biomechanical analysis.
As Berger explains:
This season, 12 NBA teams…used (Catapult’s) monitoring device, which is about the size of a car clicker and fits into the lining of a compression shirt.
The tiny device features a location-positioning system (indoor GPS); an accelerometer to measure stops and starts; a gyroscope to measure the body’s bending and twisting; and a magnetometer to measure direction. Oh, it also has a microprocessor that collects and parses more than 1,000 data points per second, beaming them to the trainer’s screen of choice in real time.
At least half the NBA teams using the device also have their players wear heart-rate monitors at the same time to track what’s going on inside their bodies in response to training. The coaching staff can monitor every player’s movement patterns and physiological responses in real time, and all the data can be integrated to provide a complete picture of how a player is moving and how his body is responding to it.
Less important than the actual in-game data is the cumulative picture it provides of player health, giving coaches something more than gut instincts to rely on as they try to navigate their roster through the grueling NBA season.
The focus of Berger’s story is the Golden State Warriors, who shared how the accumulated data influenced Steve Kerr’s controversial decision to rest a handful of his key players, including eventual MVP Stephen Curry, during a long road trip late in the season.
“We felt like those guys were reaching their limit,” said Keke Lyles, Golden State’s director of athletic performance. “A lot of non-contact injuries are fatigue-related. If we see big drops consistently over the last few games, and we know in practice they’ve dropped and they’re telling us they’re tired and sore and beat up, then we start painting a big picture: ‘Yeah, these guys are probably fatigued.’ When they’re fatigued, they’re at a higher risk.”
Indeed, a Catapult executive shared an anecdote with Berger about a trainer for a soccer team that uses its devices who predicted that particular player had an 85 percent chance of injury if he played in an upcoming match. He did, and promptly pulled a hamstring.
The secretive Spurs, of course, would never reveal such information. Rather, coach Gregg Popovich, one of the first coaches to actively rest players against conventional wisdom, speaks only in vague terms about who he chooses to sit, and when.
“Pop doesn’t need computers,” Kerr joked to Berger. “He has his own brain and it gathers all this data and figures it out on his own.”
Kerr has a point, in that Popovich apparently doesn’t even have a computer in his office at the team practice site. But as Berger notes, the Spurs were one of the first two NBA teams, along with Dallas, to hire Catapult, joining up after the 2011 lockout. The players can often be seen wearing their harnesses during training camp, with blinking lights under their jerseys making them look like the robots many have long suspected them to be.
In reality, the Spurs are human beings, made of bone and muscle and ligaments prone to breaking down with overuse. And now we know just a little bit more about how they and an increasing number of NBA teams endeavor to keep all those exceptionally athletic bodies in one piece.
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I think they've explored similar technology in Football over in Europe.
I'm all for technology that protects a players health, biomechanics etc.. I just hope it doesn't have a negative affect on the overall game.
I'm all for technology that protects a players health, biomechanics etc.. I just hope it doesn't have a negative affect on the overall game.
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This 2015 NBA Finals is kinda an example why I don't Manu back
The Cavaliers plan was to have guys like James Jones, Mike Miller and Marion play ancillary roles but then the roster gets thin and they are now forced to rely on older players too much
If the Spurs bring back the same core especially Manu and Bonner, we could be relying on relatively old guys again
The Cavaliers plan was to have guys like James Jones, Mike Miller and Marion play ancillary roles but then the roster gets thin and they are now forced to rely on older players too much
If the Spurs bring back the same core especially Manu and Bonner, we could be relying on relatively old guys again
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Supposedly there is a way to keep Duncan/Ginobili/Green and still sign both Leonard and Aldridge to max deals.
Danny Green should sign a 2yr deal with option so the Spurs can reneg when the cap explodes next season. IMO no Green/Belli and there is no 3pt threat, defence isn't going to bother to rotate. Only real 3pt threat is Patty Mills and Ginobili, the former most likely to run the point.
LA is sure to attract the double team, so theoretically a lack of 3pt options would mean a high-low between Diaw-LA-Splitter-Duncan, and slashing from Leonard, TP9 etc..
Priority would be to agree/sign Max players (Leonard & Aldridge), negotiate TD/Manu's deals and see what's left for DG.
I just don't think DG will ever outperform his 2-way performance outside of San Antonio. His defense can be applicable to any setup, but his offense will most likely diminish. Arguably he's in his prime and he's get the chance to improve his offense in the system. He needs to practice the head fake, 1-2 dribble jumper to stay relevant - an area where Belli outshines him - the ability to create of the dribble. His defense alone is enough to keep him here. Green-Leonard is a nightmare.
Joseph and Baynes would be my next priorities... 2 important players that will pick up the minutes throughout the season.
So far I think there's a 90% chance TD is back for 1-2 seasons, 50% chance Ginobili comes back.
I see Messina as the one to take the reins when Pop leaves. First head coach in the NBA?
Of course there is the possibility that we don't sign a max FA...
Danny Green should sign a 2yr deal with option so the Spurs can reneg when the cap explodes next season. IMO no Green/Belli and there is no 3pt threat, defence isn't going to bother to rotate. Only real 3pt threat is Patty Mills and Ginobili, the former most likely to run the point.
LA is sure to attract the double team, so theoretically a lack of 3pt options would mean a high-low between Diaw-LA-Splitter-Duncan, and slashing from Leonard, TP9 etc..
Priority would be to agree/sign Max players (Leonard & Aldridge), negotiate TD/Manu's deals and see what's left for DG.
I just don't think DG will ever outperform his 2-way performance outside of San Antonio. His defense can be applicable to any setup, but his offense will most likely diminish. Arguably he's in his prime and he's get the chance to improve his offense in the system. He needs to practice the head fake, 1-2 dribble jumper to stay relevant - an area where Belli outshines him - the ability to create of the dribble. His defense alone is enough to keep him here. Green-Leonard is a nightmare.
Joseph and Baynes would be my next priorities... 2 important players that will pick up the minutes throughout the season.
So far I think there's a 90% chance TD is back for 1-2 seasons, 50% chance Ginobili comes back.
I see Messina as the one to take the reins when Pop leaves. First head coach in the NBA?
Of course there is the possibility that we don't sign a max FA...
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Pop, Duncan and Parker are meeting with Aldridge tomorrow in LA
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I think Ginobili is done..
IMO Diaw + Mills vs LMA + Green - thoughts?
Diaw + Mills + Green > LMA
IMO Diaw + Mills vs LMA + Green - thoughts?
Diaw + Mills + Green > LMA
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Hmm interesting. Throwing Mills in there is what really has me struggling with this. I honestly dont want to lose either him or Diaw and I was ok with losing Green just because I didnt think we would pay him and he deserves the money so I wouldnt have blamed him for walking.
That being said I would have still taken LMA over that combo, because we have to seriously start looking towards the fact that Timmy is gonna hang it up soon.
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Happy with the offseason moves so far!
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Agree - LMA is probably the next best thing to TD.
However they have now signed DG and Leonard (as expected). Shumpert got ~40m for 4 years.. and we resigned DG for 45m. There's a night and day difference there. Green was smart to take a supposed 'cut' in salary in order to stay in a team where he can take his game to the next level. Although this has come at the expense of Splitter.
So as it stands, we're looking at TD, LMA, KL, DG, TP as the starting 5. We really need a back up center of some sort now that Splitter is gone. Does Baynes fit into that 4-5? He's certainly no way near as polished as Splitter, but if they resign him he'll be getting more minutes?
Exciting to see how Diaw and LMA will work together - can see some great high-low action.
They cannot afford to trade Diaw/Mills. Those are vital for our depth.
So glad to see Green back though. His defense, knowledge of the system and 3 pt shooting > lack of ability to create of the dribble.
So what's next? Definitely LMA or not. Joseph and Bellineli if he accepts a pay cut.
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This. Although it'd be easy to think we could just fill his spot with any other young shooter or defender, it's easy to overlook how good he is as a transition defender and how well he plays with Kawhi. Whenever Kawhi has a big night, usually Green has a big game as well.
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^ For sure bro.
IQ > Athleticism.
I remember for High School we'd play some older teams to help with our development and these [Charlie Murphy] cats could ball [/Charlie Murphy]. Kinda like Timmy's IQ > the league.
Kerr was right in saying MJ @35 could easily take LeBron.. back him down on the post in his sleep and score 20+ a night. Anyways..........
I'll admit Green is guilty of the odd brain-explosion, but that just comes with experience.
Also read elsewhere that Patty Thrills was part of the meeting with LMA, played with him for 2 years. So highly doubt he's heading anywhere.
IQ > Athleticism.
I remember for High School we'd play some older teams to help with our development and these [Charlie Murphy] cats could ball [/Charlie Murphy]. Kinda like Timmy's IQ > the league.
Kerr was right in saying MJ @35 could easily take LeBron.. back him down on the post in his sleep and score 20+ a night. Anyways..........
I'll admit Green is guilty of the odd brain-explosion, but that just comes with experience.
Also read elsewhere that Patty Thrills was part of the meeting with LMA, played with him for 2 years. So highly doubt he's heading anywhere.
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Baynes HAS to come back. We cant afford to lose the guy. My number one thing about this team for years was needing another big, and Baynes has been the biggest guy we've ever gotten in that span. He does need to polish things a up a bit for sure, he'll never be Tiago in that regard, but if he can get one move besides going straight up into a guy I will be thrilled.
Forgot about the Patty Mills coming from Portland thing, thats a great point.
I need Danny Green to stop putting the ball on the ground now that he got paid
, I feel like it was all a contract year thing trying to show that his game is multi faceted but its not, Danny Green with dribbles is when disaster strikes, oh and that two handed floater thing
, it needs to go. How well he and Kawhi play together really is undersold, besides the fact that he was hurt, I thought playing next to Danny Green would have been the thing that killed Kawhis DPoY bid cause thats the best wing defense combo in the league right there.
I think CoJo is out the door which IDK how to feel about, I like all three of our PGs.
Forgot about the Patty Mills coming from Portland thing, thats a great point.
I need Danny Green to stop putting the ball on the ground now that he got paid
I think CoJo is out the door which IDK how to feel about, I like all three of our PGs.
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Can they not afford to keep everyone else at this point. That is if they take pay cuts?
It all boils down to stay and win or go somewhere else, get paid and lose.
It all boils down to stay and win or go somewhere else, get paid and lose.
