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That's a good look for both sides...

Orlando gets some room by letting go of Hedo & can rebuild with those 2 1st rounders. Brook can put up numbers too... His offensive game is nice & as mentioned, his rebounding went down because Humphries got the starting spot. Considering this will be going on all season for Orlando, getting picks, cap, & another future all star center in return is a good look.

As for the Nets... DWill & Dwight speaks for itself. I wouldn't mind taking on Hedo's contract (Just gotta use that amnesty clause on Outlaw). We gotta convince DWill to stay or he's out & this is the kind of deal that can help convince him to stay.

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at what DWill & Dwight would be able to do on offense.
 
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[h1]Pacers talk with Celtics about Rondo deal[/h1]
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By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports 8 hours, 55 minutes ago

As Boston Celtics general manager Danny Ainge aggressively pursues possible deals for Rajon Rondo(notes), the Indiana Pacers have emerged as an intriguing suitor for the point guard, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

For the past few days, Pacers officials – and third-party surrogates – have been making calls and gathering information and insight into Rondo’s reputation as a teammate and leader, sources said.

The Pacers and Celtics have discussed the preliminary framework of a deal, but two sources said Indiana would need a third team to provide Boston with the talent it wants to do a deal. The Celtics are likely trying to gather the necessary pieces to make a bid for Ainge’s ultimate target: New Orleans point guard Chris Paul(notes), sources said.

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Chris Paul might be the ultimate target for the Celtics in their trade talks.
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It was unclear if the Pacers had begun to reach out to broaden discussions, but there was an expectation they would do so.

The Celtics have been gauging Rondo’s trade value for more than a year, and have held discussions with teams about him across the past few trade deadlines and NBA drafts. There have long been divides within Boston’s front office, coaching staff and locker room about Rondo. He can be moody, difficult and stubborn, and several league sources were dubious if the Pacers’ young coach, Frank Vogel, would have the stature to deal with Rondo.

[ Related: Top 15 NBA free agents: Who tops the list? ]

Boston could be trying to gather players to make a more attractive bid for Paul, sources said. New Orleans has shown no interest in a deal that would include Rondo and any combination of Celtics teammates. Yet, New Orleans GM Dell Demps is determined to get maximum value for Paul, if it’s clear the point guard sees his future elsewhere. Demps has no desire to simply let Paul walk away as a free agent to New York.

Most teams in the league are engaging New Orleans about Paul, whose intentions are to get to the New York Knicks as a free agent in the summer of 2012. Paul does have some history in Oklahoma City, having played there with the Hornets in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, but the Thunder have resisted dialogue on a Paul-for-Russell Westbrook(notes) deal, sources said.

The Thunder are prepared to make Westbrook a substantial contract offer – probably a maximum deal – in the near future.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_boston_celtics_rajon_rondo_112911
 
Would it be possible for NJ to amnesty Hedo this year if the deal went through on the 9th of this month? (Just curious, wondering if other teams would apply this to their trades as well.)
 
^ I just read that article. It makes me think that Rondo probably as problematic as rumored. I wonder how much that Perkins trade affected his whole attitude. It also makes me wonder about his elbow
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. Anyway, can't really know for sure, since all I've got is the media's viewpoint. Interesting times ahead if Rondo gets shipped.
 
Originally Posted by AIRJORDAN JB23

That's a good look for both sides...

Orlando gets some room by letting go of Hedo & can rebuild with those 2 1st rounders. Brook can put up numbers too... His offensive game is nice & as mentioned, his rebounding went down because Humphries got the starting spot. Considering this will be going on all season for Orlando, getting picks, cap, & another future all star center in return is a good look.

As for the Nets... DWill & Dwight speaks for itself. I wouldn't mind taking on Hedo's contract (Just gotta use that amnesty clause on Outlaw). We gotta convince DWill to stay or he's out & this is the kind of deal that can help convince him to stay.

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at what DWill & Dwight would be able to do on offense.
In Billy King, we trust. I hope everything goes through as reported for the Nets. I'm fine with giving Orlando 2 picks and BLo. The Nets have 5 picks in the next 2 years. They have 3 1st rounders to use and one of them is lottery protected.

  
 
I do not care what picks we have. Your talking Dwight Howard and Deron Williams. on one team.




I will take Gill too. And We have to waive Outlaw to make the deal work. So the Nets will most likely keep Hedo in the deal. He may be on the down end of his career, but is better than Outlaw. lol. I just see this team and say "How much younger do you want to go. You will have two all stars in their primes and under the age of 27 (I believe Dwill turns 27 in 2012 but you get the point)

We will still most likely have Morrow, Brooks, Jordan Williams, Johan Petro (really do not believe he is turning 26 but oh well he still sucks) Jordan Farmar, D James and the Euro stored overseas. We even still have the rights to Boki freaking Nachbar in Europe. All under 30 years old. I am fine with losing 1st rounders to make this happen. Brook will do fine in Orlando.
 
If Orlando doesnt take this deal soon, the deal will NOT be there for the taking during the year because the Nets will have to use their cap space to sign other players, so Orlando would have to take back plenty of contracts back which they dont want to do.... This is a unique chance for them to clear 30M off their books instantly, if they amnesty Gil too they will go from having one of the top payrolls in the NBA to having one of the lowest and have room to sign many players this Free Agency period... No other team can offer them that now or during the year....

Also the Knicks would have to get rid of every single player on the roster except Melo and Stat to offer CP3 a contract starting at around $13.5 which would be 4 years $58m roughly and their entire cap would be spend on those 3 and no one else.. If they keep Fields, Shumpert, Jerome Jordan, Douglas and whoever else they sign cheap, then he is looking at 8-10M to start... he is eligible for a 5 year 100M with a Bird Rights team.....hes not gonna feel too good about making less then half of what Melo and Amare get so I dont think he will go there.  Knicks have ZERO assets to trade for him. I think he winds up with Clippers

Also teams CANNOT trade for someone and then amnesty waive them. You can only amnesty someone who was signed to your own roster as of 7/1/11
 
biggest problem is where will howard be willing to sign..


cause if what bill simmons alluded to in his in his podcast recently about the relationship between westbrook and durant.. I WOULD LOVE for us to go after howard


however i doubt he would sign an extension with OKC
 
I don't think it's Rondo's elbow I think most people who have watched the Celtics realize he isn't cutting it anymore. When our big 3 got older their scoring went down and Rondo simply can't pick up the slack. He needs to be in the right situation to thrive.

I'm not opposed at all to trading him at all.
 
A 20/10 PG and 20/10 C combo would be devastating.

Otis will be forced to take the NJ deal if dwight is unwilling to sign with Clippers.
 
I don't think Rondo being traded has to do with anything more than the fact that CP3 is a much better PG and gives them a chance to reopen that title window for a year or two which is closed as of now.
 
Originally Posted by airmaxpenny1

I don't think Rondo being traded has to do with anything more than the fact that CP3 is a much better PG and gives them a chance to reopen that title window for a year or two which is closed as of now.
Na, the window is closed with Paul too. Sadly.
 
Originally Posted by PMatic

New contracts

• 2005 CBA: Six years with 10.5 percent raises for Bird free agents; five years with 8 percent raises for other players. Maximum salaries are approximately 25, 30 or 35 percent of the salary cap, depending on the player's years of service.

• 2011 CBA: Five years with 7.5 percent raises for Bird free agents; four years with 4.5 percent raises for other players (including all sign-and-trade transactions). The maximum salaries are the same as the 2005 CBA, except players coming off their rookie scale contracts qualify for the 30 percent maximum if they meet certain criteria. Minimum and rookie scale salaries are frozen near their 2010-11 levels until revenues rise enough that the reduction is proportional to the 12 percent reduction in the overall system.

• Who benefits? These changes provide the league with more cost control. The exception is the higher maximum salary for fifth-year players who meet certain league honors (MVP, an all-NBA team member twice, or an All-Star twice), which lets young superstars (think Derrick Rose) cash in with a bigger contract sooner.

The higher maximum salary for fifth-year players can also benefit teams. In 2006 LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh all signed shorter extensions (which allowed them to become free agents in three years) rather than signing on for the maximum five years. The three players timed their free agency to follow their seventh season in the league, when they became eligible for the 30 percent maximum. Allowing franchise players such as these to sign for the higher maximum sooner reduces the temptation for these players to sign shorter contracts, delaying their eventual free agency.

Contract extensions

• 2005 CBA: Players coming off their rookie scale contracts can extend for five additional seasons. All other veterans can extend for five total seasons, which includes the seasons remaining on their current contracts.

• 2011 CBA: Players coming off their rookie scale contracts can extend for four additional seasons, although the team can designate one player who is eligible for five seasons at the maximum salary. A team can have only one designated player on its roster at any time. All other veterans can extend for four total seasons, which includes the seasons remaining on their current contract. The extension in an extend-and-trade contract is limited to three total seasons, which includes the seasons remaining on the current contract.

• Who benefits? The teams benefit here, just as they do with shorter free-agent contracts -- teams' future salary commitments are reduced. In addition, limiting extend-and-trade contracts to three seasons (including the seasons remaining on the player's current contract) helps reduce situations like the one the Nuggets were in last season with Carmelo Anthony.

Midlevel exception

• 2005 CBA: Five years starting at the average salary ($5.765 million in 2010-11), with 8 percent raises.

• 2011 CBA: For non-taxpaying teams, four years starting at $5 million (base salary grows by 3 percent annually beginning in 2013-14), with 4.5 percent raises. Taxpaying teams are limited to three years, a $3 million base salary (which grows by 3 percent annually beginning in 2013-14) and 4.5 percent raises. Teams with cap room (therefore losing their midlevel exception) get a new midlevel that is for two years and starts at $2.5 million (growing 3 percent annually).

• Who benefits? Very few full midlevel contracts handed out under the 2005 CBA turned out to be good bargains in their later years. Reducing the size and length of the midlevel exception will help teams rid themselves of bad contracts.

The new exception for teams with cap room will benefit teams that clear cap room to sign free agents. For example, in the summer of 2010 Miami gutted its roster in order to obtain James and Bosh. This left the Heat with a small amount of cap room to sign players like Mike Miller. But once they reached the salary cap, they could offer only minimum-salary contracts. Under the new CBA, once they reach the cap, they could still offer one or more players a total of $2.5 million.

Disabled player exception

• 2005 CBA: Five years, starting at the lesser of half the replaced player's salary or the average salary, with 8 percent raises.

• 2011 CBA: One year, starting at the lesser of half the replaced player's salary or the non-taxpayer midlevel exception.

• Who benefits? This exception provides teams with the ability to sign an emergency replacement for an injured player. Under the previous CBA, the player could be signed to a five-year contract, meaning a permanent replacement could be obtained. This also opened the door to situations where the injured player returned to the team while his replacement was still on the roster. By reducing to one year in the new CBA, this exception will more closely match its intent -- to provide a short-term emergency replacement for an injured player. Teams will now have to fend for themselves if the player's injury keeps him out for more than a year.

Trade rules

• 2005 CBA: Teams over the cap can acquire no more than 125 percent plus $100,000 of the salaries they trade away. A team can receive up to $3 million cash in any trade.

• 2011 CBA: Taxpaying teams can acquire no more than 125 percent plus $100,000 of the salaries they trade away (same as 2005 CBA). Non-taxpaying teams (based on their post-trade salary level) can acquire up to the lesser of 150 percent plus $100,000, or 100 percent plus $5 million of the salaries they trade away. The cash a team pays or receives in trade is limited to $3 million annually.

• Who benefits? The relaxation of the salary matching requirements will facilitate player movement. The addition of the provision that allows teams to acquire up to 100 percent plus $5 million of the salaries of its traded players will also reduce "trade ballast" -- extra players thrown into a deal merely to make a trade legal. The number of crazy trades should therefore be reduced.

The limitation of cash in trades (to $3 million annually) will have a big effect on draft-pick trades. It is now common for first-round picks to be sold for up to $3 million each prior to the draft. By limiting teams to $3 million annually, these trades will be reduced.
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I've read over these rules several times and have come to the following conclusions regarding the Clippers:

- If they wanted to trade for Howard, Paul or Williams, it would make almost no sense to do so. They can't offer any more money to the player in an extend and trade.
- If they designate BG as the 5year max guy, they could circumvent the rules basically by not giving EJ an extension this year and waiting for him to be offered a 5 yr deal as an RFA next year, leading me to my next point.
- If the Clippers don't add anymore salary aside from matching what DJ gets (read: don't trade Kaman for Iggy if it's there), they will be very close to having max contract cap space because of what the rules dictate they should do with EJ.
- If they don't have the cap space to offer max dollars, they can amnesty Mo Williams and/or trade Ryan Gomes $4M for nothing to create that space.
- This ability to create max room gives the Clippers a ton of leverage headed towards the trade deadline. If one of the big 3 indicate that they would do a sign and trade with the Clippers, and their current team didn't want to make a fair deal (read: asking for EJ), then they could call their bluff knowing they can wait til the summer for the same exact deal (while the Clippers still keep their assets to go along with that player). But why would Paul, Williams or Howard agree to come to LA and extend if Gordon was going the other way in the deal anyways?
- The Clippers would be offering Kaman's expiring $12M, Minnesota's unprotected 1st rounder, Bledsoe and Aminu in any trade. I highly doubt they would include Gordon in a trade because Gordon and a top 5 pick is simply too much to give up especially considering you will probably have to take back a bad contract in the deal and because the deal would kill any cap flexibility there to replace EJ.

I said all of this to say that if one of the big 3 makes it to UFA, that the Clippers will likely have a max deal to offer that player.
 
Ainge is DESPERATELY trying to move Rondo
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Yall see that article up there about the cp3 trade

According to Broussard, he tried to move him and green for Westbrook after last season ended

And I just read on yahoo that he's discussing shipping him to Indiana.

Apparently, he's trying to ship him to Indy to generate more assets for a Paul trade.  
 
Anything that's positive involving the Clippers always has me concerned b/c of Sterling
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Whats the deal with OJ? Are the Griz gonna keep Rudy or trade him? I feel that Mayo is leaving when he gets the chance.

Plus Im at work try to come up with any deal that Minnesota can do to get Dwight (yeah why would he want to go from sunny orlando to cold +@* mn) I can dream. Love and Dwight as a front line....gawd
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Originally Posted by HOOD17

Whats the deal with OJ? Are the Griz gonna keep Rudy or trade him? I feel that Mayo is leaving when he gets the chance.

The Grizz just need to let O.J. go to work... Its one of those situations where if they keep playing him how they are, he's not going to be at full potential & help them. If they're planning on keeping him (Which I still feel they can to where it benefits both of them) they need to give him some more freedom.
 
God I would love to see Dwill & Dwight end up on the same squad somewhere.

Can't wait for the free agency frenzy to begin..
 
Originally Posted by srvballer

God I would love to see Dwill & Dwight end up on the same squad somewhere.

Can't wait for the free agency frenzy to begin..

I think it would be great if those two were on the West though. East is about to be top heavy.
 
Just since I had some time.


I agree that magic should wait like melo and move at the last second but just the fact the Nets are willing to take Turk, over two years (If howard was to take his option with the magic) your talking 96,000,000 Million owed to Dwight, Turk, and Gil (With Turk and Gill each having one more year after Dwight is gone if he picked up his option.) 48,000,000 right now this year on just those three.


So the magic can know off Turk from offloading Dwight and the cut Gil and have tons of Cap Room to sign a better free agent class next summer, Re-up Brook, and have picks in drafts that look good in the future.



I think Otis needs to think about it since that deal will not be there since the Nets will either do it this way, or have to move other players later on since they need to sign guys as well. And I do not think Orlando wants to add salary if the move Dwight and Turk
 
If the Clips or Nets gets any of these guys, they dont have to extend them right away as the extension isnt as big as in the last CBA..... but if they wait enough time then they can get the 5 year 100m MAX from them when it is allowed as they would own their Bird Rights..... They team and player would have to have a verbal agreement that they would do this which is technically illegal but done all the time
 
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