What Conservatives Really Want vol. First Political Thread in NT History

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[h1]What conservatives really want[/h1]

George Lakoff, professor of linguistics | 2/22/11 |

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— Dedicated to the peaceful protesters in Wisconsin, February 19, 2011

The central issue in our political life is not being discussed. At stake is the moral basis of American democracy.

The individual issues are all too real: assaults on unions, public employees, women’s rights, immigrants, the environment, health care, voting rights, food safety, pensions, prenatal care, science, public broadcasting, and on and on.

Budget deficits are a ruse, as we’ve seen in Wisconsin, where the Governor turned a surplus into a deficit by providing corporate tax breaks, and then used the deficit as a ploy to break the unions, not just in Wisconsin, but seeking to be the first domino in a nationwide conservative movement.

Deficits can be addressed by raising revenue, plugging tax loopholes, putting people to work, and developing the economy long-term in all the ways the President has discussed. But deficits are not what really matters to conservatives.

Conservatives really want to change the basis of American life, to make America run according to the conservative moral worldview in all areas of life.

In the 2008 campaign, candidate Obama accurately described the basis of American democracy: Empathy — citizens caring for each other, both social and personal responsibility—acting on that care, and an ethic of excellence. From these, our freedoms and our way of life follow, as does the role of government: to protect and empower everyone equally. Protection includes safety, health, the environment, pensions and empowerment starts with education and infrastructure. No one can be free without these, and without a commitment to care and act on that care by one’s fellow citizens.

The conservative worldview rejects all of that.

Conservatives believe in individual responsibility alone, not social responsibility. They don’t think government should help its citizens. That is, they don’t think citizens should help each other. The part of government they want to cut is not the military (we have 174 bases around the world), not government subsidies to corporations, not the aspect of government that fits their worldview. They want to cut the part that helps people. Why? Because that violates individual responsibility.

But where does that view of individual responsibility alone come from?

The way to understand the conservative moral system is to consider a strict father family. The father is The Decider, the ultimate moral authority in the family. His authority must not be challenged. His job is to protect the family, to support the family (by winning competitions in the marketplace), and to teach his kids right from wrong by disciplining them physically when they do wrong. The use of force is necessary and required. Only then will children develop the internal discipline to become moral beings. And only with such discipline will they be able to prosper. And what of people who are not prosperous? They don’t have discipline, and without discipline they cannot be moral, so they deserve their poverty. The good people are hence the prosperous people. Helping others takes away their discipline, and hence makes them both unable to prosper on their own and function morally.

The market itself is seen in this way. The slogan, “Let the market decide
 
[h1]What conservatives really want[/h1]

George Lakoff, professor of linguistics | 2/22/11 |

glakoff.thumbnail.jpg

— Dedicated to the peaceful protesters in Wisconsin, February 19, 2011

The central issue in our political life is not being discussed. At stake is the moral basis of American democracy.

The individual issues are all too real: assaults on unions, public employees, women’s rights, immigrants, the environment, health care, voting rights, food safety, pensions, prenatal care, science, public broadcasting, and on and on.

Budget deficits are a ruse, as we’ve seen in Wisconsin, where the Governor turned a surplus into a deficit by providing corporate tax breaks, and then used the deficit as a ploy to break the unions, not just in Wisconsin, but seeking to be the first domino in a nationwide conservative movement.

Deficits can be addressed by raising revenue, plugging tax loopholes, putting people to work, and developing the economy long-term in all the ways the President has discussed. But deficits are not what really matters to conservatives.

Conservatives really want to change the basis of American life, to make America run according to the conservative moral worldview in all areas of life.

In the 2008 campaign, candidate Obama accurately described the basis of American democracy: Empathy — citizens caring for each other, both social and personal responsibility—acting on that care, and an ethic of excellence. From these, our freedoms and our way of life follow, as does the role of government: to protect and empower everyone equally. Protection includes safety, health, the environment, pensions and empowerment starts with education and infrastructure. No one can be free without these, and without a commitment to care and act on that care by one’s fellow citizens.

The conservative worldview rejects all of that.

Conservatives believe in individual responsibility alone, not social responsibility. They don’t think government should help its citizens. That is, they don’t think citizens should help each other. The part of government they want to cut is not the military (we have 174 bases around the world), not government subsidies to corporations, not the aspect of government that fits their worldview. They want to cut the part that helps people. Why? Because that violates individual responsibility.

But where does that view of individual responsibility alone come from?

The way to understand the conservative moral system is to consider a strict father family. The father is The Decider, the ultimate moral authority in the family. His authority must not be challenged. His job is to protect the family, to support the family (by winning competitions in the marketplace), and to teach his kids right from wrong by disciplining them physically when they do wrong. The use of force is necessary and required. Only then will children develop the internal discipline to become moral beings. And only with such discipline will they be able to prosper. And what of people who are not prosperous? They don’t have discipline, and without discipline they cannot be moral, so they deserve their poverty. The good people are hence the prosperous people. Helping others takes away their discipline, and hence makes them both unable to prosper on their own and function morally.

The market itself is seen in this way. The slogan, “Let the market decide
 
"Conservatives really want to change the basis of American life, to make America run according to the conservative moral worldview in all areas of life."
Unless a politician is doing it for the perks alone, that's exactly what he should do whether conservative, liberal, or otherwise.  If you don't stand up for your convictions, you don't have much to live for.
 
"Conservatives really want to change the basis of American life, to make America run according to the conservative moral worldview in all areas of life."
Unless a politician is doing it for the perks alone, that's exactly what he should do whether conservative, liberal, or otherwise.  If you don't stand up for your convictions, you don't have much to live for.
 
Budget deficits are a ruse, as we’ve seen in Wisconsin, where the Governor turned a surplus into a deficit by providing corporate tax breaks, and then used the deficit as a ploy to break the unions, not just in Wisconsin, but seeking to be the first domino in a nationwide conservative movement.
Exactly
 
Budget deficits are a ruse, as we’ve seen in Wisconsin, where the Governor turned a surplus into a deficit by providing corporate tax breaks, and then used the deficit as a ploy to break the unions, not just in Wisconsin, but seeking to be the first domino in a nationwide conservative movement.
Exactly
 
I shy away from political discussions but if you make under $250,000 a year and vote Republican you are shooting yourself in the foot. Republican politics is about keeping the rich people rich. Do you know if you own a small business you can charter a flight to Hawaii and stay in a 5 star resort while playing golf and you get to write that off on your taxes as a business expense because youre wining and dining clientele. Same thing with luxury boxes at the Super Bowl. Kick out a 1/4 million for one game and then write it off as a business expense. Im sure a ton of business deals were discussed during the game. Suuuuuuuure. And somehow these republicans get the poor down south vote on the religious issues.
 
I shy away from political discussions but if you make under $250,000 a year and vote Republican you are shooting yourself in the foot. Republican politics is about keeping the rich people rich. Do you know if you own a small business you can charter a flight to Hawaii and stay in a 5 star resort while playing golf and you get to write that off on your taxes as a business expense because youre wining and dining clientele. Same thing with luxury boxes at the Super Bowl. Kick out a 1/4 million for one game and then write it off as a business expense. Im sure a ton of business deals were discussed during the game. Suuuuuuuure. And somehow these republicans get the poor down south vote on the religious issues.
 
Originally Posted by ncmalko1

I shy away from political discussions but if you make under $250,000 a year and vote Republican you are shooting yourself in the foot. Republican politics is about keeping the rich people rich. Do you know if you own a small business you can charter a flight to Hawaii and stay in a 5 star resort while playing golf and you get to write that off on your taxes as a business expense because youre wining and dining clientele. Same thing with luxury boxes at the Super Bowl. Kick out a 1/4 million for one game and then write it off as a business expense. Im sure a ton of business deals were discussed during the game. Suuuuuuuure. And somehow these republicans get the poor down south vote on the religious issues.
We regularly take clients to sporting events and discuss business / dealflow at the event.  But I'm sure you'd know from your vast experience in that area champ.
 
Originally Posted by ncmalko1

I shy away from political discussions but if you make under $250,000 a year and vote Republican you are shooting yourself in the foot. Republican politics is about keeping the rich people rich. Do you know if you own a small business you can charter a flight to Hawaii and stay in a 5 star resort while playing golf and you get to write that off on your taxes as a business expense because youre wining and dining clientele. Same thing with luxury boxes at the Super Bowl. Kick out a 1/4 million for one game and then write it off as a business expense. Im sure a ton of business deals were discussed during the game. Suuuuuuuure. And somehow these republicans get the poor down south vote on the religious issues.
We regularly take clients to sporting events and discuss business / dealflow at the event.  But I'm sure you'd know from your vast experience in that area champ.
 
Yeah.... Im sure you talk business with 60,000 people screaming around you in the middle of a game. And dont even try to rep the Raiders and Stanford.
 
Yeah.... Im sure you talk business with 60,000 people screaming around you in the middle of a game. And dont even try to rep the Raiders and Stanford.
 
What a stupid article.

Thus the government can spend money to protect the market and promote market values, but should not rule over it either through (1) regulation, (2) taxation, (3) unions and worker rights, (4) environmental protection or food safety laws, and (5) tort cases.

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What a stupid article.

Thus the government can spend money to protect the market and promote market values, but should not rule over it either through (1) regulation, (2) taxation, (3) unions and worker rights, (4) environmental protection or food safety laws, and (5) tort cases.

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FDR is considered one of the greatest Presidents of all time.

In today's world he'd be a one-term president, Repubs would not have let any of his programs come to fruition.
 
FDR is considered one of the greatest Presidents of all time.

In today's world he'd be a one-term president, Repubs would not have let any of his programs come to fruition.
 
Originally Posted by North Dade Represent

FDR is considered one of the greatest Presidents of all time.

In today's world he'd be a one-term president, Repubs would not have let any of his programs come to fruition.
Rashi just cackled. Wait for it. 
 
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