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jays25 · Jul 20, 2015

Osh Kosh Bosh said:
Jays25 said:

Y'all genuinely act as if having Sentinals doesn't make perfect sense in the face of mutants like Magneto, Apocalypse, Stryfe, etc. The issue is that the Sentinels are then continually privately made by corporations and people that want to use them for villanous purposes, or to just plain kill all mutants.

Not really any different from the Superhuman Registration Act. Having superheroes registered and trained by the government so they can properly use their powers? Great, but then how to make absolutely certain that none of the evil geniuses in the world ever get into the database and leak all of that information?

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yeah I guess It's too much to ask the government to for see how having giant robots made by private corporations could be abused.

also pretty sure original sentinals weren't these passive guardians, they were capturing or murdering mutants.

but like I said the US goverment in Marvel is not to be trusted, I mean Weapon X: capturing mutants, forced experimentation to create weapons of mass destruction? I mean that's Nazi type stuff.

So you're saying that you consider it impossible for some of the world's smartest men to hide their backroom deals and creations from the government? Because that's pretty much what the entire world of comics books is founded upon, going far beyond the Sentinels.

All Sentinels are made with the capability to detect and theoretically neutralize Mutants. The originals were the same way, created by Bolivar Trask in response to the rising number of Mutants, should any prove to be dangerous. Trask has a change of heart when he discovers that the X-Men were a shining example of good mutants who wanted to protect humanity just like him.

Weapon X is from the Canadian Govermnet for one thing, but doesn't represent the entirety of it, just like the Super Soldier project doesn't represent the entirety of the U.S. goverment, and the same for the Red Skull representing the German government, etc.

osh kosh bosh · Jul 20, 2015

Whoops forgot Weapon X was canadian with ties to CIA.

anyways point still stand, the US goverment hired Norman Osborne. :lol

jays25 · Jul 20, 2015

And created Captain America :rollin

(And also took him on as Top Cop after Osborn was out) For every good there's a bad.

osh kosh bosh · Jul 20, 2015

If anything this just illustrates why thinking the logic of the super hero registration act in real world terms doesn't work because Marvel history and story telling mechanics demands that the US government is generally evil.

DC vs Marvel government. :lol

It's intresting how DC comics greatest generation loyalty vs Marvels late 60's counter culture liberalism still persist today.

jays25 · Jul 20, 2015

Marvel history barely ever involves the entire U.S. government being villainous. The one example that really comes to mind is Days of Future Past. And in that case its mostly the Sentinels that take over.

robinvandamn · Jul 20, 2015

Did anyone see Ant-Man in 3-D? I heard it actually uses it well and not gimmicky like most post conversion films

osh kosh bosh · Jul 20, 2015

RobinVanDamn said:
Did anyone see Ant-Man in 3-D? I heard it actually uses it well and not gimmicky like most post conversion films

It's garbage like all conversions.

everysingletime · Jul 21, 2015

Another reason to look forward to Infinity War. No post conversions. It'll be filmed in 3d :hat

tdogg2k · Jul 21, 2015

not a fan of 3d in general, the glasses hurt my eyes.. vision is already f'd up

everysingletime · Jul 21, 2015

I love 3d. I wonder what it's like to watch a movie that was filmed in 3d. I think the last one was Avatar but tbh I never saw that in the theaters, only at home.

rfx45 · Jul 21, 2015

Avatar and Toy Story 3 are the only films I enjoyed in 3D. Everything else felt like a waste of money and just ruin the experience by darkening the scenes.

Master Zik · Jul 21, 2015

Jays25 said:
Y'all genuinely act as if having Sentinals doesn't make perfect sense in the face of mutants like Magneto, Apocalypse, Stryfe, etc. The issue is that the Sentinels are then continually privately made by corporations and people that want to use them for villanous purposes, or to just plain kill all mutants.

Not really any different from the Superhuman Registration Act. Having superheroes registered and trained by the government so they can properly use their powers? Great, but then how to make absolutely certain that none of the evil geniuses in the world ever get into the database and leak all of that information?

I'll be honest I never liked sentinels. The concept always seemed dumb to me. An America where the gov't okays the use of giant robots hunting and abducting/killing unsuspecting Americans who just find out they're mutants was dumb and insane to me. (This aint an anti-machine thing cuz I love me some gundams :lol

).

Yes Magneto is a real threat (I aint never seen sentinels attack Apocalypse and lets be serious they wouldn't stand a chance. Stryfe could probably handle them too with his power set) but there must be a better response than that and there has been. It'd be much better if the gov't rounded up some mutants that were sick of Magneto making them look bad and genuinely supported them in trying to stop mutant terrorists (they sorta tried that with David's X-Factor) but there seems to be way too many racists in the gov't and/or racist lobbyists that are completely against mutant anything.

So that leads to all these independent groups making mass mutant killing machines.

Osh Kosh Bosh said:
but like I said the US goverment in Marvel is not to be trusted, I mean Weapon X: capturing mutants, forced experimentation to create weapons of mass destruction? I mean that's Nazi type stuff.

In some slight defense there were several countries involved in Weapon X and the whole Weapon Plus program. It was an international endeavor.

Osh Kosh Bosh said:
If anything this just illustrates why thinking the logic of the super hero registration act in real world terms doesn't work because Marvel history and story telling mechanics demands that the US government is generally evil.

DC vs Marvel government.

It's intresting how DC comics greatest generation loyalty vs Marvels late 60's counter culture liberalism still persist today.

To me this speaks to Marvel comics making their comics more realistic in a sense when it comes to the public dealing with superheroes.

I feel in irl if a Superman existed he'd vilified in short order. We'd run him off the planet. It's either that or he rules the planet like a dictator snuffing out all resistance.

sunshineblotters · Jul 21, 2015

3D has just been a waste. Dont even waste my money on that ****

robinvandamn · Jul 21, 2015

amel223 said:
Another reason to look forward to Infinity War. No post conversions. It'll be filmed in 3d

It's being shot in 2D, it's just gonna be full frame IMAX

still very :hat

that Alexa 65 footage is incredible

everysingletime · Jul 21, 2015

Was going to call you out and say you're flat out wrong, but then I just looked it up..

I was wrong

Could've sworn I saw somewhere it was going to be shot in 3d..

Memory can trick you lol

Being shot with imax cameras is still :hat

robinvandamn · Jul 21, 2015

amel223 said:
Was going to call you out and say you're flat out wrong, but then I just looked it up..

Could've sworn I saw somewhere it was going to be shot in 3d..

Memory can trick you lol

it's just the way a lot of the articles were written. They mention the fact that it's the closest thing to an IMAX 3D camera without actually being one :lol

It's definitely be the best 3D conversion ever though.

i'm a nerd for the technical parts of these films and the camera advancements that've been happening recently lol i've been hype as hell since they announced it

Full IMAX experience beats 3D any day for me

everysingletime · Jul 21, 2015

2018 is still 3 years away..

Anyway, to answer your question, I did see Ant Man in 3d. I liked it but idk if it's a must.

I personally always watch in imax 3d if I'm lookin forward to a movie. If not that, then imax or rpx

robinvandamn · Jul 21, 2015

Random but Howard Stern said he tried to buy the Ant-Man film rights about 15 years ago because he was such a fan of the character :lol

http://www.hitfix.com/the-dartboard/the-howard-stern-ant-man-movie-that-could-have-been

everysingletime · Jul 21, 2015

Lol, thank god he didn't get it.

sunshineblotters · Jul 21, 2015

Dont know what you tahm bout. A Howard Stern produced Ant-Man movie would be flames :smokin

tdogg2k · Jul 21, 2015

Only if dj whoo kidd played the same part as the spanish dude

jays25 · Jul 21, 2015

Master Zik said:
Jays25 said:

Y'all genuinely act as if having Sentinals doesn't make perfect sense in the face of mutants like Magneto, Apocalypse, Stryfe, etc. The issue is that the Sentinels are then continually privately made by corporations and people that want to use them for villanous purposes, or to just plain kill all mutants.

Not really any different from the Superhuman Registration Act. Having superheroes registered and trained by the government so they can properly use their powers? Great, but then how to make absolutely certain that none of the evil geniuses in the world ever get into the database and leak all of that information?

Click to expand...

I'll be honest I never liked sentinels. The concept always seemed dumb to me. An America where the gov't okays the use of giant robots hunting and abducting/killing unsuspecting Americans who just find out they're mutants was dumb and insane to me. (This aint an anti-machine thing cuz I love me some gundams ).

Yes Magneto is a real threat (I aint never seen mutants attack Apocalypse and lets be serious they wouldn't stand a chance. Stryfe could probably handle them too with his power set) but there must be a better response than that and there has been. It'd be much better if the gov't rounded up some mutants that were sick of Magneto making them look bad and genuinely supported them in trying to stop mutant terrorists (they sorta tried that with David's X-Factor) but there seems to be way too many racists in the gov't and/or racist lobbyists that are completely against mutant anything.

So that leads to all these independent groups making mass mutant killing machines.

They never said that was OK though. Any instantce where Sentinels have gone after mutants has either been in the face of dangerous mutants, which the average police officer wasn't going to be dealing with, the Sentinels themselves gaining some kind of omnipotence (Which was the entire reason Days of Future Past happened at all), or someone else pulling the strings (Like Nimrod and such) The Sentinels were only ever meant to be a counter/deterrent to protect people should these mutants that were popping up seek to use their powers for evil purposes. It makes perfect sense to me and came to be valuable down the line when they reached the point that the Sentinels were being piloted by military soldiers for such cases. Because an entire nation can't realistically be expected to count on costumed superheroes who at any given day might be off the planet dealing with some intergalactic incident.

Funding a goverment organization of mutants is a good job, but still doesn't completely erase the need for Sentinels, which can be easily mass produced, whereas the mutant team would only ever equal what? 10 or 15 on an ideal day? Sentinels are only seen as bad in the same way that the Registration is only seen as bad, because they're mainly used for bad storylines be neharious people.

It then devolves to a completely different conversation alltogether, about how closely the government should be monitoring its citizens, which leads to instances where you have certain organizations (Many times with people possessing genius level intellects and powers of their own) making their own Sentinels.