Uh Phillipine SWAT team excuse me but %%$ are you doing???????

[dunknforce]

Originally Posted by Crank Lucas

I wanna punch these fools in the face.... Yes im mad ... damn near half the hostages die and your taking some type of victory photo... #$%$ outta here with that

 

[dunknforce]

Originally Posted by Crank Lucas

I wanna punch these fools in the face.... Yes im mad ... damn near half the hostages die and your taking some type of victory photo... #$%$ outta here with that

 

[yeahitsrust]

Makes me mad, sad, and embarrassed.

 

[yeahitsrust]

Makes me mad, sad, and embarrassed.

 

[i just got lucky]

Originally Posted by Sco cuddie1

What the hell was the point of throwing the glow stick into the bus?

Dude really just threw the sledge hammer in

Philippines takes a major L

Naw son...that was his tactical insertion.

 

[i just got lucky]

Originally Posted by Sco cuddie1

What the hell was the point of throwing the glow stick into the bus?

Dude really just threw the sledge hammer in

Philippines takes a major L

Naw son...that was his tactical insertion.

 

[crumbs]

%#+ type swat team is this?

 

[crumbs]

%#+ type swat team is this?

 

[sadikmac]

Our police force doesn't even have the equipment for a tight-spaced assault. They have M16 assault rifles instead of MP5s or any other sub machine gun for that matter.

Just to give most of you guys a background, as of 2009, a non-commissioned police officer (entry level, Special Police Officer 1) has a Salary Grade Level 4 which means Php14,625 per month (around US$300 OR around US$3,800/year) -- by comparison the Philippine President makes Php63,000/month. With that salary they are expected to take care of their gear (guns and all). Now most of you should know very well that US$3,800 a year IS very small.

The salary level of policemen here causes LOW MORALE and ENCOURAGES corruption.

Also, the Philippine National Police maintains SO MANY headquarters all over the Philippines that MOST of our policemen are doing ADMINISTRATIVE WORK instead of patrolling duties, trainings and all other stuff that policemen in other countries do. That is why when you're in the Philippines, you will not notice many policemen roaming around the streets. Either they're at the office or eating somewhere, somehow. Not only that, most of the 49-billion peso budget goes to the overhead and maintenance expenses of the over-numbered police headquarters.

So you know, I guess I could say that one good, fully-equipped US SWAT team could decimate half of our police force in a day. Hahahaha!

 

[sadikmac]

Our police force doesn't even have the equipment for a tight-spaced assault. They have M16 assault rifles instead of MP5s or any other sub machine gun for that matter.

Just to give most of you guys a background, as of 2009, a non-commissioned police officer (entry level, Special Police Officer 1) has a Salary Grade Level 4 which means Php14,625 per month (around US$300 OR around US$3,800/year) -- by comparison the Philippine President makes Php63,000/month. With that salary they are expected to take care of their gear (guns and all). Now most of you should know very well that US$3,800 a year IS very small.

The salary level of policemen here causes LOW MORALE and ENCOURAGES corruption.

Also, the Philippine National Police maintains SO MANY headquarters all over the Philippines that MOST of our policemen are doing ADMINISTRATIVE WORK instead of patrolling duties, trainings and all other stuff that policemen in other countries do. That is why when you're in the Philippines, you will not notice many policemen roaming around the streets. Either they're at the office or eating somewhere, somehow. Not only that, most of the 49-billion peso budget goes to the overhead and maintenance expenses of the over-numbered police headquarters.

So you know, I guess I could say that one good, fully-equipped US SWAT team could decimate half of our police force in a day. Hahahaha!

 

[elijahbrohammed]

Originally Posted by Gmills23

Yall bamams play a few Tom Clancy games and think yall know what to do in a situation like that

That's not the point, you can see that they didn't know what they were doing from jump. You don't have to be a law enforcement expert to know that. Their police force is truly incompetent.

VERY bad look for the leadership of the Philippines:

[h1]Analysts: Philippine leadership wilts under crisis spotlight[/h1]
By Kevin Voigt, CNN

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

• Analysts: Hostage drama first real test of new Philippines president
• Police drama shows larger problems of the Southeast Asian nation
• Bad communications, poor crowd and media control heightened problems
• 'Organizational effectiveness shows up most dramatically when dealing with security'

(CNN) -- An isolated incident involving a lone gunman in Manila has turned into an international incident that is proving the first real test of newly elected President Benigno Aquino.

As such, the leadership in Manila suddenly finds itself suddenly in league with multinational corporations like BP and Toyota who watch their credibility erode as missteps are magnified before a global audience.

"Organizational effectiveness shows up most dramatically when dealing with issues related with security," said Dane Chamorro, managing director of Greater China for Control Risks, which advises companies on economics and security issues. "This demonstrated in a very dramatic and tragic small-scale way larger problems that are much more widespread."

As the live broadcast events of Monday slid into tragedy, ire at the outcome shifted quickly from the gunman to the government.

"People were looking to the government to act in a matter that demonstrated competence and professionalism, and that wasn't apparent," said Michael Alan Hamlin, a Manila-based marketing consultant and author of "High Visibility."

Hamlin said there were fundamental errors by police on crowd and media control, which may have helped turn events bloody; witnesses said the gunman, Rolando Mendoza, became agitated after watching police arrest his brother from a television on the bus.

Police waited more than an hour after the first shots before launching their assault on the bus. "There were many times when they could have easily taken him out (before)," Hamlin said.

Basic communication at the scene before the shooting started was not focused on the task at hand -- securing the hostages safe release.

"Various spokesmen were talking about the potential impact (of the incident) on tourism, when obviously the message that need to go out was, `Our first focus and only concern right now is for the hostages,'" Hamlin said.

In the wake of the incident, the Philippines National Police released a statement that included a laundry list of ways police on the ground fell down on the job, including: 1) poor handling of the hostage negotiation; 2) side issues and events that further agitated the hostage-taker; 3) inadequate capability, skills, equipment and planning of the assault team; 4)improper crowd control, and inadequate training and competence of assault team leader; and 5) non-compliance to media relations procedures in hostage situations.

Hong Kong Chief Executive Donald Tsang's complaint that he couldn't get President Aquino on the phone also ratcheted tensions between China and the Philippines.

"It's an isolated incident and I think the government needs to think of a way to make sure that's understood -- that there's not some lawless situation in the Philippines and it's not a terrorist act," Hamlin said. "It involved foreign guests, who made it an international incident -- it wouldn't be resonating around the world right now if it involved only locals."

Still, the incident resonated abroad because so many Philippines nationals live and work abroad -- an estimated 10 percent of the Philippines nearly 100 million population live and work abroad. Watching the incompetence unfold at home underlines why low-skilled laborers are wooed away to Hong Kong to work as domestic helpers, and why high-skilled engineers are lured to Dubai or skilled nurses flock to jobs in the United States, said Chamorro, the risk analyst.

"When they lose their best skilled people, that's a huge obstacle -- they really need these people at home," Chamorro said.

To gain a foothold of credibility with its own populace, the Philippines government should focus on improving basic government services benchmarked against other Southeastern Asian nations.

"For example, in Thailand there is successful mail delivery in three separate languages. Now, there is certainly corruption in Thailand, but the post office works. That is not true in the Philippines," Chamorro said. "Education, policing, mail -- does it seem to be working? If not, there is a gap, and nature will fill that gap with something else."

[h1]Philippines police: Authorities botched hostage rescue[/h1]
By the CNN Wire Staff

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

• Gunman was able to watch live coverage of the standoff
• Police officials say they observed inadequate skills and improper crowd control
• National police chief says authorities tried to end standoff peacefully
• Philippine Red Cross chairman says gunman initially said he would not harm hostages

Manila, Philippines (CNN) -- Anger mounted Tuesday as police in the Philippines acknowledged mistakes in a hostage rescue effort that ended with the deaths of eight people on a tourist bus.

Police shot and killed the gunman, former police officer Rolando Mendoza, who was apparently upset at having lost his job. He held hostage a busload of tourists from Hong Kong on Monday and according to witnesses, he was willing to cooperate before he was shot dead.

In Hong Kong, flags flew at half-staff and radio talk shows were abuzz with criticism of authorities in the Philippines. The word "incompetent" was repeatedly heard.

The deadly standoff unfolded live on television, which the gunman was able to watch on a monitor on the bus.

"We do not want to pass sweeping judgment or make early conclusions except to say that our intention to peacefully end this hostage drama was spoiled when the hostage-taker suddenly exhibited violent behavior and began shooting the hostages," Philippine National Police Chief Director General Jesus A. Verzosa said in a statement.

National police said officials have already noted "some observations and defects during their close monitoring of the unfolding events."

The statement did not provide details, but listed "poor handling of the hostage negotiation," "inadequate capability, skills, equipment and planning of the assault team," "improper crowd control," "inadequate training and competence of assault team leader," and "non-compliance to media relations procedures in hostage situations."

Survivors were scheduled to leave the Philippines on Tuesday as officials and family members called on authorities to investigate.

"The investigation has got to find out, what was the turning point? What happened?" Philippine National Red Cross Chairman Richard Gordon told CNN on Tuesday.

It was a dark moment for President Benigno S. Aquino III, who was elected by a landslide last spring with a promise to restore the nation's reputation. He declared a national day of mourning Wednesday.

Gordon told CNN that interviews with survivors have revealed that the situation inside the bus changed dramatically toward the end of the 10-hour standoff.

"Apparently the man went berserk. He was telling everybody he was not going to harm [them]. ... He said that nobody's going to get harmed. He said that he was probably going to die, but not the hostages," he said.

A woman who was on the bus told reporters her husband was killed when he tried to stop the gunman.

"My husband was very brave. He rushed out from the back of the bus to try to stop the killer," said the woman, who identified herself as Alicia Leung.

She told reporters that she pretended to be dead in order to survive.

"Why did authorities not rescue us? There were so many of us on the bus. Why did no one come to rescue us? It is so cruel," she said.

In Manila, Aquino said he had ordered an investigation and would wait until it is completed before deciding whether anyone should lose his or her job.

In Hong Kong, officials and residents questioned how Filipino authorities had handled the hostage situation.

"This is a serious blow to Hong Kong people. We all feel very devastated," Hong Kong Chief Executive Donald Tsang told reporters Tuesday, saying that the government would soon announce community mourning events.

Four men and four women were killed in the standoff, authorities in Hong Kong said. One passenger was critically wounded and six others were hospitalized with less serious injuries after the 10-hour standoff erupted into gunfire, Tsang said.

The Hong Kong-based tour guide was among those who died, Hong Thai Travel said in a statement. Some of the victims were insured and would be compensated, the travel agency said.

The gunman released nine of the hostages, including a mother and her three children, a man with diabetes, and two photographers. The bus driver also escaped.

The British Foreign and Commonwealth Office said Tuesday that two of the released hostages were British nationals.

Manila police official Leocadio Santiago told CNN that Mendoza's family members spoke with him early in the standoff and that he appeared "very reasonable and very psychologically stable."

Mendoza was a decorated police officer, winning several accolades. But his career spiraled downward when he was dismissed a year ago for extortion, Manila Vice Mayor Ikso Moreno said, and he wanted his motion for reconsideration to be heard.

"He felt that it was being neglected," Moreno said. "So he went on hostaging a bus full of foreign individuals. So when we talked to him this afternoon, that's what he wanted."

Moreno said that Mendoza's brother was arrested because he was "guilty of conspiring with his brother" and allegedly helped instigate the shooting.

Gordon said the brother's arrest may have pushed the gunman over the edge.

"When he saw his brother getting accosted by the policemen, he went berserk and he started firing," he said.

CNN's Sarita Harilela and journalists Constance Cheng, Maria Ressa and Arlene Samson-Espiritu contributed to this report.



 

Originally Posted by Chinelasone

Originally Posted by Luong1209

R.I.P to the 8 (?),

their SWAT is a joke.

A SWAT that takes home $300.00 a month net US...now that would be a joke. Remember, the guy that held the bus hostage is law enforcement as well. Officers of the country are rationed ammunition roughly 1 or 2 clips only for an AR 15. If they go over their rations, its the officers own responsibility to buy their own ammo. Last time I checked a box of rounds can get up to roughly $65.00! Now, deduct that out of their $300.00 salary...hmmnn? Lack of funds, lack of training, lack of ammo, hmmmnnn....ignorance is bliss.

You're right, let's use our ammo sparingly, lives of others don't really matter

.

"Oh God I only have 1 clip left and it's gotta last me till next month, good luck hostages!"

 

So why be part of the SWAT then? They trying to save money or lives?

I'm glad someone addressed his *+%%*** post.

 

[elijahbrohammed]

 

[elijahbrohammed]

 

[elijahbrohammed]

Originally Posted by Gmills23

Yall bamams play a few Tom Clancy games and think yall know what to do in a situation like that

That's not the point, you can see that they didn't know what they were doing from jump. You don't have to be a law enforcement expert to know that. Their police force is truly incompetent.

VERY bad look for the leadership of the Philippines:

[h1]Analysts: Philippine leadership wilts under crisis spotlight[/h1]
By Kevin Voigt, CNN

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

• Analysts: Hostage drama first real test of new Philippines president
• Police drama shows larger problems of the Southeast Asian nation
• Bad communications, poor crowd and media control heightened problems
• 'Organizational effectiveness shows up most dramatically when dealing with security'

(CNN) -- An isolated incident involving a lone gunman in Manila has turned into an international incident that is proving the first real test of newly elected President Benigno Aquino.

As such, the leadership in Manila suddenly finds itself suddenly in league with multinational corporations like BP and Toyota who watch their credibility erode as missteps are magnified before a global audience.

"Organizational effectiveness shows up most dramatically when dealing with issues related with security," said Dane Chamorro, managing director of Greater China for Control Risks, which advises companies on economics and security issues. "This demonstrated in a very dramatic and tragic small-scale way larger problems that are much more widespread."

As the live broadcast events of Monday slid into tragedy, ire at the outcome shifted quickly from the gunman to the government.

"People were looking to the government to act in a matter that demonstrated competence and professionalism, and that wasn't apparent," said Michael Alan Hamlin, a Manila-based marketing consultant and author of "High Visibility."

Hamlin said there were fundamental errors by police on crowd and media control, which may have helped turn events bloody; witnesses said the gunman, Rolando Mendoza, became agitated after watching police arrest his brother from a television on the bus.

Police waited more than an hour after the first shots before launching their assault on the bus. "There were many times when they could have easily taken him out (before)," Hamlin said.

Basic communication at the scene before the shooting started was not focused on the task at hand -- securing the hostages safe release.

"Various spokesmen were talking about the potential impact (of the incident) on tourism, when obviously the message that need to go out was, `Our first focus and only concern right now is for the hostages,'" Hamlin said.

In the wake of the incident, the Philippines National Police released a statement that included a laundry list of ways police on the ground fell down on the job, including: 1) poor handling of the hostage negotiation; 2) side issues and events that further agitated the hostage-taker; 3) inadequate capability, skills, equipment and planning of the assault team; 4)improper crowd control, and inadequate training and competence of assault team leader; and 5) non-compliance to media relations procedures in hostage situations.

Hong Kong Chief Executive Donald Tsang's complaint that he couldn't get President Aquino on the phone also ratcheted tensions between China and the Philippines.

"It's an isolated incident and I think the government needs to think of a way to make sure that's understood -- that there's not some lawless situation in the Philippines and it's not a terrorist act," Hamlin said. "It involved foreign guests, who made it an international incident -- it wouldn't be resonating around the world right now if it involved only locals."

Still, the incident resonated abroad because so many Philippines nationals live and work abroad -- an estimated 10 percent of the Philippines nearly 100 million population live and work abroad. Watching the incompetence unfold at home underlines why low-skilled laborers are wooed away to Hong Kong to work as domestic helpers, and why high-skilled engineers are lured to Dubai or skilled nurses flock to jobs in the United States, said Chamorro, the risk analyst.

"When they lose their best skilled people, that's a huge obstacle -- they really need these people at home," Chamorro said.

To gain a foothold of credibility with its own populace, the Philippines government should focus on improving basic government services benchmarked against other Southeastern Asian nations.

"For example, in Thailand there is successful mail delivery in three separate languages. Now, there is certainly corruption in Thailand, but the post office works. That is not true in the Philippines," Chamorro said. "Education, policing, mail -- does it seem to be working? If not, there is a gap, and nature will fill that gap with something else."

[h1]Philippines police: Authorities botched hostage rescue[/h1]
By the CNN Wire Staff

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

• Gunman was able to watch live coverage of the standoff
• Police officials say they observed inadequate skills and improper crowd control
• National police chief says authorities tried to end standoff peacefully
• Philippine Red Cross chairman says gunman initially said he would not harm hostages

Manila, Philippines (CNN) -- Anger mounted Tuesday as police in the Philippines acknowledged mistakes in a hostage rescue effort that ended with the deaths of eight people on a tourist bus.

Police shot and killed the gunman, former police officer Rolando Mendoza, who was apparently upset at having lost his job. He held hostage a busload of tourists from Hong Kong on Monday and according to witnesses, he was willing to cooperate before he was shot dead.

In Hong Kong, flags flew at half-staff and radio talk shows were abuzz with criticism of authorities in the Philippines. The word "incompetent" was repeatedly heard.

The deadly standoff unfolded live on television, which the gunman was able to watch on a monitor on the bus.

"We do not want to pass sweeping judgment or make early conclusions except to say that our intention to peacefully end this hostage drama was spoiled when the hostage-taker suddenly exhibited violent behavior and began shooting the hostages," Philippine National Police Chief Director General Jesus A. Verzosa said in a statement.

National police said officials have already noted "some observations and defects during their close monitoring of the unfolding events."

The statement did not provide details, but listed "poor handling of the hostage negotiation," "inadequate capability, skills, equipment and planning of the assault team," "improper crowd control," "inadequate training and competence of assault team leader," and "non-compliance to media relations procedures in hostage situations."

Survivors were scheduled to leave the Philippines on Tuesday as officials and family members called on authorities to investigate.

"The investigation has got to find out, what was the turning point? What happened?" Philippine National Red Cross Chairman Richard Gordon told CNN on Tuesday.

It was a dark moment for President Benigno S. Aquino III, who was elected by a landslide last spring with a promise to restore the nation's reputation. He declared a national day of mourning Wednesday.

Gordon told CNN that interviews with survivors have revealed that the situation inside the bus changed dramatically toward the end of the 10-hour standoff.

"Apparently the man went berserk. He was telling everybody he was not going to harm [them]. ... He said that nobody's going to get harmed. He said that he was probably going to die, but not the hostages," he said.

A woman who was on the bus told reporters her husband was killed when he tried to stop the gunman.

"My husband was very brave. He rushed out from the back of the bus to try to stop the killer," said the woman, who identified herself as Alicia Leung.

She told reporters that she pretended to be dead in order to survive.

"Why did authorities not rescue us? There were so many of us on the bus. Why did no one come to rescue us? It is so cruel," she said.

In Manila, Aquino said he had ordered an investigation and would wait until it is completed before deciding whether anyone should lose his or her job.

In Hong Kong, officials and residents questioned how Filipino authorities had handled the hostage situation.

"This is a serious blow to Hong Kong people. We all feel very devastated," Hong Kong Chief Executive Donald Tsang told reporters Tuesday, saying that the government would soon announce community mourning events.

Four men and four women were killed in the standoff, authorities in Hong Kong said. One passenger was critically wounded and six others were hospitalized with less serious injuries after the 10-hour standoff erupted into gunfire, Tsang said.

The Hong Kong-based tour guide was among those who died, Hong Thai Travel said in a statement. Some of the victims were insured and would be compensated, the travel agency said.

The gunman released nine of the hostages, including a mother and her three children, a man with diabetes, and two photographers. The bus driver also escaped.

The British Foreign and Commonwealth Office said Tuesday that two of the released hostages were British nationals.

Manila police official Leocadio Santiago told CNN that Mendoza's family members spoke with him early in the standoff and that he appeared "very reasonable and very psychologically stable."

Mendoza was a decorated police officer, winning several accolades. But his career spiraled downward when he was dismissed a year ago for extortion, Manila Vice Mayor Ikso Moreno said, and he wanted his motion for reconsideration to be heard.

"He felt that it was being neglected," Moreno said. "So he went on hostaging a bus full of foreign individuals. So when we talked to him this afternoon, that's what he wanted."

Moreno said that Mendoza's brother was arrested because he was "guilty of conspiring with his brother" and allegedly helped instigate the shooting.

Gordon said the brother's arrest may have pushed the gunman over the edge.

"When he saw his brother getting accosted by the policemen, he went berserk and he started firing," he said.

CNN's Sarita Harilela and journalists Constance Cheng, Maria Ressa and Arlene Samson-Espiritu contributed to this report.



 

Originally Posted by Chinelasone

Originally Posted by Luong1209

R.I.P to the 8 (?),

their SWAT is a joke.

A SWAT that takes home $300.00 a month net US...now that would be a joke. Remember, the guy that held the bus hostage is law enforcement as well. Officers of the country are rationed ammunition roughly 1 or 2 clips only for an AR 15. If they go over their rations, its the officers own responsibility to buy their own ammo. Last time I checked a box of rounds can get up to roughly $65.00! Now, deduct that out of their $300.00 salary...hmmnn? Lack of funds, lack of training, lack of ammo, hmmmnnn....ignorance is bliss.

You're right, let's use our ammo sparingly, lives of others don't really matter

.

"Oh God I only have 1 clip left and it's gotta last me till next month, good luck hostages!"

 

So why be part of the SWAT then? They trying to save money or lives?

I'm glad someone addressed his *+%%*** post.

 

[luong1209]

Originally Posted by Chinelasone

Originally Posted by Luong1209

R.I.P to the 8 (?),

their SWAT is a joke.

A SWAT that takes home $300.00 a month net US...now that would be a joke. Remember, the guy that held the bus hostage is law enforcement as well. Officers of the country are rationed ammunition roughly 1 or 2 clips only for an AR 15. If they go over their rations, its the officers own responsibility to buy their own ammo. Last time I checked a box of rounds can get up to roughly $65.00! Now, deduct that out of their $300.00 salary...hmmnn? Lack of funds, lack of training, lack of ammo, hmmmnnn....ignorance is bliss.

You're right, let's use our ammo sparingly, lives of others don't really matter

.

"Oh God I only have 1 clip left and it's gotta last me till next month, good luck hostages!"

 

So why be part of the SWAT then? They trying to save money or lives?

 

[yeahitsrust]

Makes me mad, sad, and embarrassed.

 

[yeahitsrust]

Makes me mad, sad, and embarrassed.

 

[luong1209]

Originally Posted by Chinelasone

Originally Posted by Luong1209

R.I.P to the 8 (?),

their SWAT is a joke.

A SWAT that takes home $300.00 a month net US...now that would be a joke. Remember, the guy that held the bus hostage is law enforcement as well. Officers of the country are rationed ammunition roughly 1 or 2 clips only for an AR 15. If they go over their rations, its the officers own responsibility to buy their own ammo. Last time I checked a box of rounds can get up to roughly $65.00! Now, deduct that out of their $300.00 salary...hmmnn? Lack of funds, lack of training, lack of ammo, hmmmnnn....ignorance is bliss.

You're right, let's use our ammo sparingly, lives of others don't really matter

.

"Oh God I only have 1 clip left and it's gotta last me till next month, good luck hostages!"

 

So why be part of the SWAT then? They trying to save money or lives?

 

[chinelasone]

Originally Posted by sadikmac

Our police force doesn't even have the equipment for a tight-spaced assault. They have M16 assault rifles instead of MP5s or any other sub machine gun for that matter.

Just to give most of you guys a background, as of 2009, a non-commissioned police officer (entry level, Special Police Officer 1) has a Salary Grade Level 4 which means Php14,625 per month (around US$300 OR around US$3,800/year) -- by comparison the Philippine President makes Php63,000/month. With that salary they are expected to take care of their gear (guns and all). Now most of you should know very well that US$3,800 a year IS very small.

The salary level of policemen here causes LOW MORALE and ENCOURAGES corruption.

Also, the Philippine National Police maintains SO MANY headquarters all over the Philippines that MOST of our policemen are doing ADMINISTRATIVE WORK instead of patrolling duties, trainings and all other stuff that policemen in other countries do. That is why when you're in the Philippines, you will not notice many policemen roaming around the streets. Either they're at the office or eating somewhere, somehow. Not only that, most of the 49-billion peso budget goes to the overhead and maintenance expenses of the over-numbered police headquarters.

So you know, I guess I could say that one good, fully-equipped US SWAT team could decimate half of our police force in a day. Hahahaha!

Preach my brotha from anotha motha!

co-sign on th R.I.P victims and their families.

 

[chinelasone]

Originally Posted by sadikmac

Our police force doesn't even have the equipment for a tight-spaced assault. They have M16 assault rifles instead of MP5s or any other sub machine gun for that matter.

Just to give most of you guys a background, as of 2009, a non-commissioned police officer (entry level, Special Police Officer 1) has a Salary Grade Level 4 which means Php14,625 per month (around US$300 OR around US$3,800/year) -- by comparison the Philippine President makes Php63,000/month. With that salary they are expected to take care of their gear (guns and all). Now most of you should know very well that US$3,800 a year IS very small.

The salary level of policemen here causes LOW MORALE and ENCOURAGES corruption.

Also, the Philippine National Police maintains SO MANY headquarters all over the Philippines that MOST of our policemen are doing ADMINISTRATIVE WORK instead of patrolling duties, trainings and all other stuff that policemen in other countries do. That is why when you're in the Philippines, you will not notice many policemen roaming around the streets. Either they're at the office or eating somewhere, somehow. Not only that, most of the 49-billion peso budget goes to the overhead and maintenance expenses of the over-numbered police headquarters.

So you know, I guess I could say that one good, fully-equipped US SWAT team could decimate half of our police force in a day. Hahahaha!

Preach my brotha from anotha motha!

co-sign on th R.I.P victims and their families.

 

[chinelasone]

Originally Posted by ElijahBrohammed

Originally Posted by Gmills23

Yall bamams play a few Tom Clancy games and think yall know what to do in a situation like that

That's not the point, you can see that they didn't know what they were doing from jump. You don't have to be a law enforcement expert to know that. Their police force is truly incompetent.

VERY bad look for the leadership of the Philippines:

[h1]Analysts: Philippine leadership wilts under crisis spotlight[/h1]
By Kevin Voigt, CNN

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

• Analysts: Hostage drama first real test of new Philippines president
• Police drama shows larger problems of the Southeast Asian nation
• Bad communications, poor crowd and media control heightened problems
• 'Organizational effectiveness shows up most dramatically when dealing with security'

(CNN) -- An isolated incident involving a lone gunman in Manila has turned into an international incident that is proving the first real test of newly elected President Benigno Aquino.

As such, the leadership in Manila suddenly finds itself suddenly in league with multinational corporations like BP and Toyota who watch their credibility erode as missteps are magnified before a global audience.

"Organizational effectiveness shows up most dramatically when dealing with issues related with security," said Dane Chamorro, managing director of Greater China for Control Risks, which advises companies on economics and security issues. "This demonstrated in a very dramatic and tragic small-scale way larger problems that are much more widespread."

As the live broadcast events of Monday slid into tragedy, ire at the outcome shifted quickly from the gunman to the government.

"People were looking to the government to act in a matter that demonstrated competence and professionalism, and that wasn't apparent," said Michael Alan Hamlin, a Manila-based marketing consultant and author of "High Visibility."

Hamlin said there were fundamental errors by police on crowd and media control, which may have helped turn events bloody; witnesses said the gunman, Rolando Mendoza, became agitated after watching police arrest his brother from a television on the bus.

Police waited more than an hour after the first shots before launching their assault on the bus. "There were many times when they could have easily taken him out (before)," Hamlin said.

Basic communication at the scene before the shooting started was not focused on the task at hand -- securing the hostages safe release.

"Various spokesmen were talking about the potential impact (of the incident) on tourism, when obviously the message that need to go out was, `Our first focus and only concern right now is for the hostages,'" Hamlin said.

In the wake of the incident, the Philippines National Police released a statement that included a laundry list of ways police on the ground fell down on the job, including: 1) poor handling of the hostage negotiation; 2) side issues and events that further agitated the hostage-taker; 3) inadequate capability, skills, equipment and planning of the assault team; 4)improper crowd control, and inadequate training and competence of assault team leader; and 5) non-compliance to media relations procedures in hostage situations.

Hong Kong Chief Executive Donald Tsang's complaint that he couldn't get President Aquino on the phone also ratcheted tensions between China and the Philippines.

"It's an isolated incident and I think the government needs to think of a way to make sure that's understood -- that there's not some lawless situation in the Philippines and it's not a terrorist act," Hamlin said. "It involved foreign guests, who made it an international incident -- it wouldn't be resonating around the world right now if it involved only locals."

Still, the incident resonated abroad because so many Philippines nationals live and work abroad -- an estimated 10 percent of the Philippines nearly 100 million population live and work abroad. Watching the incompetence unfold at home underlines why low-skilled laborers are wooed away to Hong Kong to work as domestic helpers, and why high-skilled engineers are lured to Dubai or skilled nurses flock to jobs in the United States, said Chamorro, the risk analyst.

"When they lose their best skilled people, that's a huge obstacle -- they really need these people at home," Chamorro said.

To gain a foothold of credibility with its own populace, the Philippines government should focus on improving basic government services benchmarked against other Southeastern Asian nations.

"For example, in Thailand there is successful mail delivery in three separate languages. Now, there is certainly corruption in Thailand, but the post office works. That is not true in the Philippines," Chamorro said. "Education, policing, mail -- does it seem to be working? If not, there is a gap, and nature will fill that gap with something else."

[h1]Philippines police: Authorities botched hostage rescue[/h1]
By the CNN Wire Staff

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

• Gunman was able to watch live coverage of the standoff
• Police officials say they observed inadequate skills and improper crowd control
• National police chief says authorities tried to end standoff peacefully
• Philippine Red Cross chairman says gunman initially said he would not harm hostages

Manila, Philippines (CNN) -- Anger mounted Tuesday as police in the Philippines acknowledged mistakes in a hostage rescue effort that ended with the deaths of eight people on a tourist bus.

Police shot and killed the gunman, former police officer Rolando Mendoza, who was apparently upset at having lost his job. He held hostage a busload of tourists from Hong Kong on Monday and according to witnesses, he was willing to cooperate before he was shot dead.

In Hong Kong, flags flew at half-staff and radio talk shows were abuzz with criticism of authorities in the Philippines. The word "incompetent" was repeatedly heard.

The deadly standoff unfolded live on television, which the gunman was able to watch on a monitor on the bus.

"We do not want to pass sweeping judgment or make early conclusions except to say that our intention to peacefully end this hostage drama was spoiled when the hostage-taker suddenly exhibited violent behavior and began shooting the hostages," Philippine National Police Chief Director General Jesus A. Verzosa said in a statement.

National police said officials have already noted "some observations and defects during their close monitoring of the unfolding events."

The statement did not provide details, but listed "poor handling of the hostage negotiation," "inadequate capability, skills, equipment and planning of the assault team," "improper crowd control," "inadequate training and competence of assault team leader," and "non-compliance to media relations procedures in hostage situations."

Survivors were scheduled to leave the Philippines on Tuesday as officials and family members called on authorities to investigate.

"The investigation has got to find out, what was the turning point? What happened?" Philippine National Red Cross Chairman Richard Gordon told CNN on Tuesday.

It was a dark moment for President Benigno S. Aquino III, who was elected by a landslide last spring with a promise to restore the nation's reputation. He declared a national day of mourning Wednesday.

Gordon told CNN that interviews with survivors have revealed that the situation inside the bus changed dramatically toward the end of the 10-hour standoff.

"Apparently the man went berserk. He was telling everybody he was not going to harm [them]. ... He said that nobody's going to get harmed. He said that he was probably going to die, but not the hostages," he said.

A woman who was on the bus told reporters her husband was killed when he tried to stop the gunman.

"My husband was very brave. He rushed out from the back of the bus to try to stop the killer," said the woman, who identified herself as Alicia Leung.

She told reporters that she pretended to be dead in order to survive.

"Why did authorities not rescue us? There were so many of us on the bus. Why did no one come to rescue us? It is so cruel," she said.

In Manila, Aquino said he had ordered an investigation and would wait until it is completed before deciding whether anyone should lose his or her job.

In Hong Kong, officials and residents questioned how Filipino authorities had handled the hostage situation.

"This is a serious blow to Hong Kong people. We all feel very devastated," Hong Kong Chief Executive Donald Tsang told reporters Tuesday, saying that the government would soon announce community mourning events.

Four men and four women were killed in the standoff, authorities in Hong Kong said. One passenger was critically wounded and six others were hospitalized with less serious injuries after the 10-hour standoff erupted into gunfire, Tsang said.

The Hong Kong-based tour guide was among those who died, Hong Thai Travel said in a statement. Some of the victims were insured and would be compensated, the travel agency said.

The gunman released nine of the hostages, including a mother and her three children, a man with diabetes, and two photographers. The bus driver also escaped.

The British Foreign and Commonwealth Office said Tuesday that two of the released hostages were British nationals.

Manila police official Leocadio Santiago told CNN that Mendoza's family members spoke with him early in the standoff and that he appeared "very reasonable and very psychologically stable."

Mendoza was a decorated police officer, winning several accolades. But his career spiraled downward when he was dismissed a year ago for extortion, Manila Vice Mayor Ikso Moreno said, and he wanted his motion for reconsideration to be heard.

"He felt that it was being neglected," Moreno said. "So he went on hostaging a bus full of foreign individuals. So when we talked to him this afternoon, that's what he wanted."

Moreno said that Mendoza's brother was arrested because he was "guilty of conspiring with his brother" and allegedly helped instigate the shooting.

Gordon said the brother's arrest may have pushed the gunman over the edge.

"When he saw his brother getting accosted by the policemen, he went berserk and he started firing," he said.

CNN's Sarita Harilela and journalists Constance Cheng, Maria Ressa and Arlene Samson-Espiritu contributed to this report.



 

Originally Posted by Chinelasone

Originally Posted by Luong1209

R.I.P to the 8 (?),

their SWAT is a joke.

A SWAT that takes home $300.00 a month net US...now that would be a joke. Remember, the guy that held the bus hostage is law enforcement as well. Officers of the country are rationed ammunition roughly 1 or 2 clips only for an AR 15. If they go over their rations, its the officers own responsibility to buy their own ammo. Last time I checked a box of rounds can get up to roughly $65.00! Now, deduct that out of their $300.00 salary...hmmnn? Lack of funds, lack of training, lack of ammo, hmmmnnn....ignorance is bliss.

You're right, let's use our ammo sparingly, lives of others don't really matter

.

"Oh God I only have 1 clip left and it's gotta last me till next month, good luck hostages!"

 

So why be part of the SWAT then? They trying to save money or lives?

I'm glad someone addressed his *+%%*** post.

Don't get me wrong...it truly sucks on what happened. I take it you have not been to the Philippines (not the tourism side of things). To really know how things are like.... I will put it this way. Homless people here in the States are "livin' large" compared to the homeless people there. If you thing that its a "dog eat dog world" here now....try living in the slums there for a year.

 

[chinelasone]

Originally Posted by ElijahBrohammed

Originally Posted by Gmills23

Yall bamams play a few Tom Clancy games and think yall know what to do in a situation like that

That's not the point, you can see that they didn't know what they were doing from jump. You don't have to be a law enforcement expert to know that. Their police force is truly incompetent.

VERY bad look for the leadership of the Philippines:

[h1]Analysts: Philippine leadership wilts under crisis spotlight[/h1]
By Kevin Voigt, CNN

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

• Analysts: Hostage drama first real test of new Philippines president
• Police drama shows larger problems of the Southeast Asian nation
• Bad communications, poor crowd and media control heightened problems
• 'Organizational effectiveness shows up most dramatically when dealing with security'

(CNN) -- An isolated incident involving a lone gunman in Manila has turned into an international incident that is proving the first real test of newly elected President Benigno Aquino.

As such, the leadership in Manila suddenly finds itself suddenly in league with multinational corporations like BP and Toyota who watch their credibility erode as missteps are magnified before a global audience.

"Organizational effectiveness shows up most dramatically when dealing with issues related with security," said Dane Chamorro, managing director of Greater China for Control Risks, which advises companies on economics and security issues. "This demonstrated in a very dramatic and tragic small-scale way larger problems that are much more widespread."

As the live broadcast events of Monday slid into tragedy, ire at the outcome shifted quickly from the gunman to the government.

"People were looking to the government to act in a matter that demonstrated competence and professionalism, and that wasn't apparent," said Michael Alan Hamlin, a Manila-based marketing consultant and author of "High Visibility."

Hamlin said there were fundamental errors by police on crowd and media control, which may have helped turn events bloody; witnesses said the gunman, Rolando Mendoza, became agitated after watching police arrest his brother from a television on the bus.

Police waited more than an hour after the first shots before launching their assault on the bus. "There were many times when they could have easily taken him out (before)," Hamlin said.

Basic communication at the scene before the shooting started was not focused on the task at hand -- securing the hostages safe release.

"Various spokesmen were talking about the potential impact (of the incident) on tourism, when obviously the message that need to go out was, `Our first focus and only concern right now is for the hostages,'" Hamlin said.

In the wake of the incident, the Philippines National Police released a statement that included a laundry list of ways police on the ground fell down on the job, including: 1) poor handling of the hostage negotiation; 2) side issues and events that further agitated the hostage-taker; 3) inadequate capability, skills, equipment and planning of the assault team; 4)improper crowd control, and inadequate training and competence of assault team leader; and 5) non-compliance to media relations procedures in hostage situations.

Hong Kong Chief Executive Donald Tsang's complaint that he couldn't get President Aquino on the phone also ratcheted tensions between China and the Philippines.

"It's an isolated incident and I think the government needs to think of a way to make sure that's understood -- that there's not some lawless situation in the Philippines and it's not a terrorist act," Hamlin said. "It involved foreign guests, who made it an international incident -- it wouldn't be resonating around the world right now if it involved only locals."

Still, the incident resonated abroad because so many Philippines nationals live and work abroad -- an estimated 10 percent of the Philippines nearly 100 million population live and work abroad. Watching the incompetence unfold at home underlines why low-skilled laborers are wooed away to Hong Kong to work as domestic helpers, and why high-skilled engineers are lured to Dubai or skilled nurses flock to jobs in the United States, said Chamorro, the risk analyst.

"When they lose their best skilled people, that's a huge obstacle -- they really need these people at home," Chamorro said.

To gain a foothold of credibility with its own populace, the Philippines government should focus on improving basic government services benchmarked against other Southeastern Asian nations.

"For example, in Thailand there is successful mail delivery in three separate languages. Now, there is certainly corruption in Thailand, but the post office works. That is not true in the Philippines," Chamorro said. "Education, policing, mail -- does it seem to be working? If not, there is a gap, and nature will fill that gap with something else."

[h1]Philippines police: Authorities botched hostage rescue[/h1]
By the CNN Wire Staff

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

• Gunman was able to watch live coverage of the standoff
• Police officials say they observed inadequate skills and improper crowd control
• National police chief says authorities tried to end standoff peacefully
• Philippine Red Cross chairman says gunman initially said he would not harm hostages

Manila, Philippines (CNN) -- Anger mounted Tuesday as police in the Philippines acknowledged mistakes in a hostage rescue effort that ended with the deaths of eight people on a tourist bus.

Police shot and killed the gunman, former police officer Rolando Mendoza, who was apparently upset at having lost his job. He held hostage a busload of tourists from Hong Kong on Monday and according to witnesses, he was willing to cooperate before he was shot dead.

In Hong Kong, flags flew at half-staff and radio talk shows were abuzz with criticism of authorities in the Philippines. The word "incompetent" was repeatedly heard.

The deadly standoff unfolded live on television, which the gunman was able to watch on a monitor on the bus.

"We do not want to pass sweeping judgment or make early conclusions except to say that our intention to peacefully end this hostage drama was spoiled when the hostage-taker suddenly exhibited violent behavior and began shooting the hostages," Philippine National Police Chief Director General Jesus A. Verzosa said in a statement.

National police said officials have already noted "some observations and defects during their close monitoring of the unfolding events."

The statement did not provide details, but listed "poor handling of the hostage negotiation," "inadequate capability, skills, equipment and planning of the assault team," "improper crowd control," "inadequate training and competence of assault team leader," and "non-compliance to media relations procedures in hostage situations."

Survivors were scheduled to leave the Philippines on Tuesday as officials and family members called on authorities to investigate.

"The investigation has got to find out, what was the turning point? What happened?" Philippine National Red Cross Chairman Richard Gordon told CNN on Tuesday.

It was a dark moment for President Benigno S. Aquino III, who was elected by a landslide last spring with a promise to restore the nation's reputation. He declared a national day of mourning Wednesday.

Gordon told CNN that interviews with survivors have revealed that the situation inside the bus changed dramatically toward the end of the 10-hour standoff.

"Apparently the man went berserk. He was telling everybody he was not going to harm [them]. ... He said that nobody's going to get harmed. He said that he was probably going to die, but not the hostages," he said.

A woman who was on the bus told reporters her husband was killed when he tried to stop the gunman.

"My husband was very brave. He rushed out from the back of the bus to try to stop the killer," said the woman, who identified herself as Alicia Leung.

She told reporters that she pretended to be dead in order to survive.

"Why did authorities not rescue us? There were so many of us on the bus. Why did no one come to rescue us? It is so cruel," she said.

In Manila, Aquino said he had ordered an investigation and would wait until it is completed before deciding whether anyone should lose his or her job.

In Hong Kong, officials and residents questioned how Filipino authorities had handled the hostage situation.

"This is a serious blow to Hong Kong people. We all feel very devastated," Hong Kong Chief Executive Donald Tsang told reporters Tuesday, saying that the government would soon announce community mourning events.

Four men and four women were killed in the standoff, authorities in Hong Kong said. One passenger was critically wounded and six others were hospitalized with less serious injuries after the 10-hour standoff erupted into gunfire, Tsang said.

The Hong Kong-based tour guide was among those who died, Hong Thai Travel said in a statement. Some of the victims were insured and would be compensated, the travel agency said.

The gunman released nine of the hostages, including a mother and her three children, a man with diabetes, and two photographers. The bus driver also escaped.

The British Foreign and Commonwealth Office said Tuesday that two of the released hostages were British nationals.

Manila police official Leocadio Santiago told CNN that Mendoza's family members spoke with him early in the standoff and that he appeared "very reasonable and very psychologically stable."

Mendoza was a decorated police officer, winning several accolades. But his career spiraled downward when he was dismissed a year ago for extortion, Manila Vice Mayor Ikso Moreno said, and he wanted his motion for reconsideration to be heard.

"He felt that it was being neglected," Moreno said. "So he went on hostaging a bus full of foreign individuals. So when we talked to him this afternoon, that's what he wanted."

Moreno said that Mendoza's brother was arrested because he was "guilty of conspiring with his brother" and allegedly helped instigate the shooting.

Gordon said the brother's arrest may have pushed the gunman over the edge.

"When he saw his brother getting accosted by the policemen, he went berserk and he started firing," he said.

CNN's Sarita Harilela and journalists Constance Cheng, Maria Ressa and Arlene Samson-Espiritu contributed to this report.



 

Originally Posted by Chinelasone

Originally Posted by Luong1209

R.I.P to the 8 (?),

their SWAT is a joke.

A SWAT that takes home $300.00 a month net US...now that would be a joke. Remember, the guy that held the bus hostage is law enforcement as well. Officers of the country are rationed ammunition roughly 1 or 2 clips only for an AR 15. If they go over their rations, its the officers own responsibility to buy their own ammo. Last time I checked a box of rounds can get up to roughly $65.00! Now, deduct that out of their $300.00 salary...hmmnn? Lack of funds, lack of training, lack of ammo, hmmmnnn....ignorance is bliss.

You're right, let's use our ammo sparingly, lives of others don't really matter

.

"Oh God I only have 1 clip left and it's gotta last me till next month, good luck hostages!"

 

So why be part of the SWAT then? They trying to save money or lives?

I'm glad someone addressed his *+%%*** post.

Don't get me wrong...it truly sucks on what happened. I take it you have not been to the Philippines (not the tourism side of things). To really know how things are like.... I will put it this way. Homless people here in the States are "livin' large" compared to the homeless people there. If you thing that its a "dog eat dog world" here now....try living in the slums there for a year.

 

[kingcrux31]

New video showing the sniper taking out one of the hostages.

 

[kingcrux31]

New video showing the sniper taking out one of the hostages.

 

[mycoldyourdone]

wow i dont even wanna see that