Thread about Jesus - Questions, Bible Verses and Prayer Requests

[tekthemaestro]

But isn't God here and now? We have kids getting hit by missiles in the middle east but that's not enough for God to step in? He either doesn't care about them or hates them.

We keep looking into biblical times for proof yet there should be proof here and now

questions about why God allows evil come from a lack of understand on OUR part as people. as man. To be a Christian, you must understand that your  level of intelligence and understanding is far under God's. We look at things and ask why because we can't see the bigger picture. 

An example, if you watch a painter strt a painting, you'll ask wtf is going on until the picture becomes clear. Until then, its random strokes and shapes. To us, we see the strokes and shapes. Let God be the painter.

There have been PLENTY of times in my life where I asked straight up "YO GOD WHAT THE F*** MAN IVE BEEN DOING WHAT YOU SAY, IVE BEEN A GOOD PERSON, I MADE GOOD DECISIONS... WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS S***TING ON ME!?!?!" nd then later...it made sense. The thing is, bad things happen...but they lead to good things later tht wouldnt have been possible without the bad pieces setting it in motion.

Shakespear said the world is a stage and we're all actors in it. We're just a piece of this puzzle. I dont look to biblical times for proof of God's existence. I see his work in my life here and now.

 

[blastercombo]

The "facts" of old times predates the ability to properly observe and study them. Once man was able to proven fact took the place of tall tales, all but God of course. Interesting because during those times religion was used to control civilized man.

And isn't it a little self centered (not an insult just describing the action) to think God is blessing you yet millions of people starve that also believe in God? Those people aren't worthy but you are? They're not important but you are? Surly if God will take the time to help you and not them you're more important.

 

[tekthemaestro]

The "facts" of old times predates the ability to properly observe and study them. Once man was able to proven fact took the place of tall tales, all but God of course. Interesting because during those times religion was used to control civilized man.

And isn't it a little self centered (not an insult just describing the action) to think God is blessing you yet millions of people starve that also believe in God? Those people aren't worthy but you are? They're not important but you are? Surly if God will take the time to help you and not them you're more important.

no offense taken at all thats a perfectly legit question. You can always play keeping up with the Jones but you'll never be on the Jones level. I feel blessed to make it out of my situations where i didnt even see a way out. I'm talking didn't have a penny to my name and no help coming. I'm talking literally -$130 to my name with rent, car payment, and other bills due... and all i had was faith and a prayer. and He came through. like he always does. I made it, even if i struggled through it...i made it. 

That doesnt make me chosen or any more worthy than anyone else. Cuz if that was the case, I'd just look up to celebrities and rich peple and ask why were they worthy of being rich and i wasnt? etc etc. God helps everybody in His own way. because again like i said last time... we cant see the plan. If my ancestors weren't abducted and killed...i couldnt be here. If every little thing from every ant that got stepped on to every natural disaster didn't happen...you wouldn't be exactly where you are right now. Its not possible to have that kind of foresight for us. God expects us to be grateful for what we HAVE not complain about what we dont. in fact one of the commandments is dont covet. Your life is your own, and you have to make the most of it. That is the job we are tasked with. Even the poorest man on earth can say "at least im still breathing."

and if you are indeed a man of logic...if all tall tales were disproven by fact in modern times...why is God the only thing still around?? And ive heard them say religion was used to control man. To a certain degree, i agree. But your relationship with God shouldn't be based solely off religion. All things created by man are flawed. Religion being one of them.

 

[deleted]

I'm not a bible thumper by any means but let these people have their thread.

Why is everyone so hell bent on giving their two cents when it isn't asked for?

When the thread started, OP was asking for questions from everyone.

He's since changed the title, but most of the current posters were here since the beginning.

 

[durtyraspburry]

1. You're admiting there are consistent writing in the bible.

2.Humble myself? What you're arguing is that the bible and Christianity is proven fact. Do you have to humble yourself to accept 2+2=4? If it's a FACT no matter how humble or big headed I am I can't deny it. We throw in simoke logic and all of a sudden the bible starts to unravel with the only thing holding it together is "faith" over reason.

1.There are no inconsistencies in the Bible, most of those verses can be easily proven consistent by reading the whole passage or proper cross referencing.
 

2. If you are trying to learn in a classroom would you not first empty your bias in order to truly learn where the professor is coming from?

The ways of God are hard for any of us to understand with a mind that cannot be taught. That is why the Bible says one must be like a child to enter the Kingdom of God, because his wisdom isn't the same as the world's own.

 

[durtyraspburry]

"Without religion, we'd have good people doing good things, and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

Not one man is good in the first place, thats why society stays confused with violence, death, lying, etc around us. Religion just adds to both evil deeds and good deeds done in the world.

 

[blastercombo]

What? NO inconsistancy??


Theological doctrines:

1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him
Prov 1:28
14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good
James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days
Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
sacrifices, and holy days.
Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
18. God accepts human sacrifices
2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
God forbids human sacrifice
Deut 12:30,31
19. God tempts men
Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God tempts no man
James 1:13
20. God cannot lie
Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
Gen 8:21
22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered
Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
23. There is but one God
Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods
Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7

 

[blastercombo]

Think not that I come to send peace on earth: I came not to send
peace, but a sword.
- Matthew 10:34

... all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
- Matthew 26:52


For wrath killeth the foolish man...
- Job 5:2

... let not the sun go down on your wrath.
- Ephesians 4:26


And no man hath ascended up to heaven, even the Son of man which
is in heaven.
- John 3:13

... and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
- 2 Kings 2:11


If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
- John 5:31

I am one that bear witness of myself...
- John 8:18
[Jesus was the speaker in both of these quotes]


A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children's children...
- Proverbs 13:22

Sell that ye have and give alms...
- Luke 12:33


Blessed is the man that feareth the Lord... Wealth and riches
shall be in his house...
- Psalms 112:1-3

It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than
for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
- Matthew 19:24


I and my father are one.
- John 10:30

... I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
- John 14:28
[Jesus was the speaker in both of these quotes]


Thou shalt not kill
- Exodus 20:13

Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his
side... and slay every man his brother...
- Exodus 32:27


Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.
- Exodus 20:8

The new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot
away with: it is iniquity.
- Isaiah 3:22


Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness
of anything that is in heaven... earth... [or] water.
- Leviticus 26:11

And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt
thou make them.
- Exodus 25:18


For by grace are ye saved through faith... not of works.
- Ephesians 2:8-9

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by
faith only.
- James 2:24


God is not a man, that he should lie: neither the son of man,
that he should repent.
- Numbers 23:19

And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his
people.
- Exodus 32:14


... the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall
hear his voice, and come forth...
- John 5:28-29

As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth
down to the grave shall come up no more.
- Job 7:9


... thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth,
hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for
wound, stripe for stripe.
- Exodus 21:23-25

... resist not evil; but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right
cheek, turn to him the other also.
- Matthew 5:39


Honor thy father and mother.
- Exodus 20:12

If any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother, and
wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own
life also, he cannot be my disciple.
- Luke 14:26


Lay not up for yourself treasures upon the earth...
- Matthew 6:19

In the house of the righteous is much treasure...
- Proverbs 15:6


I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
- Genesis 32:30

No man hath seen God at any time.
- John 1:18


The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father.
- Ezekiel 18:20

... I the lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of
the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth
generation.
- Exodus 20:5


Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth
understanding.
- Proverbs 3:13

For in much wisdom is much grief; and he that increaseth
knowledge increaseth sorrow.
- Ecclesiastes 1:18


The Lord is good to all.
- Psalm 145:6

I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things.
- Isaiah 45:7


Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire.
- Matthew 5:22

[Jesus said] Ye fools and blind.
- Matthew 23:17


For all have sinned.
- Romans 3:23

There was a man... whose name was Job; and that man was perfect
and upright.
- Job 1:1


Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign.
- 2 Kings 8:26

Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign.
- 2 Chronicles 22:2


If a man vow a vow unto the Lord or swear an oath... he shall do
according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.
- Numbers 30:2

But I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven... nor by
earth.
- Matthew 5:34-35


... the earth abideth forever.
- Ecclesiastes 1:4

... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and
the works that are therein shall be burned up.
- 2 Peter 3:10


... for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger
forever.
- Jeremiah 3:12

Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever.
- Jeremiah 17:4


... God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.
- James 1:13

And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt
Abraham.
- Genesis 22:1


And God saw everything that he made, and behold it was very good.
- Genesis 1:31

And it repented the Lord that he had made man on earth, and it
grieved him at his heart
- Genesis 6:6


For now have I chosen and sanctified this house that my name be
there forever; and mine eyes and my heart shall be there
perpetually.
- II Chronicles 7:16

Howbeit the most high dwelleth not in temples made with hands.
- Acts 7:48


[God dwells] in the light which no man can approach unto.
- I Timothy 6:16

The Lord said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

- I Kings 8:12


And the Lord called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid.
- Genesis 3:9,10

Ye hath neither heard his voice, at any time, nor seen his shape.
- John 5:37


Then went up Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the
elders of Israel. And they saw the God of Israel... They saw
God, and did eat and drink.
- Exodus 24: 9-11

Whom no man hath seen nor can see.
- I Timothy 6:16


With God all things are possible.
- Matthew 29:26

And the Lord was with Judah, and he drove out the inhabitants of
the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the
valley, because they had chariots of iron.
- Judges 1:19


God is not the author of confusion.
- I Corinthians 24:33

Out of the mouth of the most high proceedeth not evil and good?
- Lamentations 3:38


Those that seek me early shall find me.
- Proverbs 8:17

Then shall they call upon me but I will not answer; they shall
seek me early, but shall not find me.
- Proverbs 1:28


On the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of
atonement; it shall be a holy convocation unto you; and ye shall
afflict your souls and offer an offering made by fire unto the
Lord.
- Leviticus 23:27

For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day
that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt
offering or sacrifices.
- Jeremiah 7:22


And the priest shall burn all on the altar to be a burnt
sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savor unto the
Lord.
- Leviticus 1:9

Your burnt offering are not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet
unto me.
- Jeremiah 7:20


God is not a man, that he should lie
- Numbers 23:19

And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the
Lord have deceived that prophet.
- Ezekiel 24:9


There is none other God but one.
- I Corinthians 8:4

And God said, Let us make man in our image.
- Genesis 1:26


When ye go, ye shall not go empty; but every woman shall borrow
of her neighbor, and of her that sojourneth in her house, jewels
of silver and jewels of gold, and raiment; and ye shall put them
on your sons and upon your daughters; and ye shall spoil the
Egyptians.
- Exodus 3:21,22

Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor, nether rob him.
- Leviticus 19:13


At the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of
man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed.
- Genesis 4:5,6

And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should
kill him.
- Genesis 4:15


Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not,
neither do they spin... if God so clothe the grass of the
field... shall he not much more clothe you? Therefore, take no
thought, saying what shall we eat? or what shall we drink? or
wherewithal shall we be clothed?... Take, therefore, no thought
for the morrow.
- Matthew 6:28, 30-34

But if any provideth not for his own, especially for those of his
own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an
infidel.
- I Timothy 5:8


Be ye angry and sin not.
- Ephesians 4:26

Be not hasty in they spirit to be angry; for anger resideth in
the bosom of fools.
- Ecclesiastes 7:9


Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good
works.
- Matthew 5:16

Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of
them.
- Matthew 6:1


And Solomon stood before the alter of the Lord, in the presence
of all the congregation of Israel, and spread forth his hands
toward heaven...
- I Kings 7:22

When thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are; for
they love to pray standing in the synagogues, and in the corners
of the streets, that they may be seen of men...
- Matthew 6:5


And no razor shall come on his head; for the child shall be a
Nazarite unto God from the womb.
- Judges 8:5

Doth not even nature itself teach you, that if a man hath long
hair, it is a shame unto him?
- I Corinthians 6:14


Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
- Exodus 20:8

One man esteemeth one day above another; another esteemeth every
day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
- Romans 14:5


For in the six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and
all that in them is, and rested the seventh day; wherefore the
Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
- Exodus 20:11

And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and
that the Lord thy God brought the out thence through a mighty
hand and by a stretched-out arm; therefore the Lord thy God
commanded the to keep the Sabbath day.
- Deuteronomy 5:15


There is nothing unclean of itself.
- Romans 14:14

Nevertheless, these shall ye not eat, of them that chew the cud or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel and the hare, and the coney; for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof, therefore they are unclean unto you. And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass.
- Deuteronomy 14:7,8


Cursed is he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother.
- Deuteronomy 27:22

And Abraham said... She is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
- Genesis 20:11,12


If brethren dwell together, and one of them die and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger; her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife.
- Deuteronomy 25:5

If a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing... they shall be childless.
- Leviticus 20:21


He that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness.
- Mark 3:29

And by him that believe are justified from all things.
- Acts 13:39


[John the Baptist] is Elias which was for to come.
- Matthew 11:14

And they asked him, what then? Art thou [John the Baptist] Elias? And he saith, I am not.
- John 1:21


Now, after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee,
preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God.
- Mark 1:14

After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judea... and John was also baptizing Enon... for John was not yet cast into prison.
- John 3:22-24


And it was in the third hour, and they crucified him.
- Mark 25:3-4

And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour; and he saith unto the Jews, behold your king... Shall I crucify your king?
- John 19:14-15


They gave him vinegar to drink, mingled with gall.
- Matthew 27:34

And they gave him to drink, wine mingled with myrrh.
- Mark 15:23
[Jesus was the thirsty chap in both verses.]


And the men which journeyed with [Paul] stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
- Acts 9:7

And they that were with me [Paul] saw indeed the light and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
- Acts 22:9


Abraham had two sons; one by a bonds-maid, the other by a free woman.
- Galatians 4:22

By faith, Abraham when he was tried offered up Isaac... his only begotten son.
- Hebrews 11:17


Therefore Michal, the daughter of Saul, had no child unto the day of her death.
- II Samuel 6:23

The five sons of Michal, the daughter of Saul.
- II Samuel 21:8


And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel.

 

[durtyraspburry]

My fellow bros and sis's may join in.

 

[blastercombo]

Appreciated bro.

 

[tekthemaestro]

...im not gonna lie to you.. i cant tackle all of that until i get off work. however i see alot of the things already and know why it comes off as a contradiction. like they said u must read the whole passage and know context. 

but just tackling the first 2:

1. God was pleased with man, but then became displeased seeing how wickedness was in all of us. Remember, God does not control our will. Equate it to raising your child correctly...and seeing him do wrong. You may love him with all your heart, but it still kills you to see him messing up doesnt it? 

2. one of those mistranslations i was talking about. The first part speaks of God entering the temple of solomon. What is known today as a Church. The second part isnt even the words of God but from a prophet instead. Its saying that God wont dwell in the creations of MAN. The church was not created by man... but God, through Solomon. Wherever man says "*I* made this..."  you wont find God is what the scripture is saying. Read the verses before. It speaks of the blasphemies of man and how people chose to worship the stars and sun and moon when they already had been told to follow God. The entire thing is an excerpt of Stephen lecturing people.

 

[blastercombo]

Here's a brain teaser, God doesn't want us to commit sin yet admittedly CREATED us sinners. Gods the creator of ALL so God created sin.

God told Adam and eve not to eat the fruit yet created a forbidden fruit for them to eat.

 

[doublemesh96]

Not one man is good in the first place, thats why society stays confused with violence, death, lying, etc around us. Religion just adds to both evil deeds and good deeds done in the world.

Not one man is good in the first place??? Human beings are niether good nor evil by nature, the nature of a human being is that we are programmable. Products of our upbringing and surroundings as well as the food we put in our bodies. Whatever is programmed into us during development is the result you get in society. These are facts that can be known and understood this is not my opinion.

 

[tekthemaestro]

Here's a brain teaser, God doesn't want us to commit sin yet admittedly CREATED us sinners. Gods the creator of ALL so God created sin.

the thing you continuously do is apply human behavior to God. as long as u do that Blaster, youll never understand anything about it. Your logic is the equivalent of "Money is paper, paper is from wood, wood is from trees...therefore, money DOES grow on trees!" you cant use bread crumbs to come up with answers all the time bruh. God is grieved by our sin, and yes he did create man and man does sin. But sin was born from the mind of man. Man WAS pure until eve and the apple. The apple tainted us and we've been tainted ever since. Sin is a byproduct of man. Its not God's creation. but God understands and forgives us anyways. Thats why he is considered merciful. 

example: God created man, man created strip clubs.... God created strip clubs. that logic CERTAINLY doesnt work does it? 

Not one man is good in the first place??? Human beings are niether good nor evil by nature, the nature of a human being is that we are programmable. Products of our upbringing and surroundings as well as the food we put in our bodies. Whatever is programmed into us during development is the result you get in society. These are facts that can be known and understood this is not my opinion.

 

[blastercombo]

If man was PURE at any point they would of NEVER sinned. Again, gods 2 law was to not eat the fruit yet creates a fruit to not eat. God tells us not to give in to temptation yet created THE FIRST temptation. God also created the devil with according to the bible predates man.


God creates and controls ALL according to the bible concerning his ALL POWERFUL nature. YES all things are gods work. If that's not the case then he is NOT almighty

 

[durtyraspburry]

Not one man is good in the first place??? Human beings are niether good nor evil by nature, the nature of a human being is that we are programmable. Products of our upbringing and surroundings as well as the food we put in our bodies. Whatever is programmed into us during development is the result you get in society. These are facts that can be known and understood this is not my opinion.

Who told you these facts, and by what authority?

 

[tekthemaestro]

If man was PURE at any point they would of NEVER sinned. Again, gods 2 law was to not eat the fruit yet creates a fruit to not eat. God tells us not to give in to temptation yet created THE FIRST temptation

man was convinced by woman to eat. the woman convinced man to disobey God. is that not still true today often times? Do men still not sin repeatedly in the name of a woman? And youre 100% God created the tempation and told you dont give in. But thats not wrong at all. A teacher gives you a test and will still fail you if you get the answers wrong. Your parents forbid you to do xyz but the temptation is still there. Temptation is a part of life. itll NEVER go away. but its supposed to be there. 

How can anyone say they have faith if things never got hard to test their faith? how can anyone say i'm a good person without being faced with evil? Temptation is there so you can rise above. God doesn't control what any of us do...BUT! he gives us the option to make the right choice always. And thats what temptation is. You have the ability to make the right choice. Adam couldve and SHOULDVE said no. He chose to do it anyways. He gave in. 

Its kinda like when people say you dont really know who's with you until youre in a situation where s*** hits the fan. God can't say youre with him unless he tests you. ANY AND EVERYBODY can make the right choice when its easy. Can you still make the right choice when that girl is naked in front of you? Can u still make the right choice when u find that wallet on the floor? When someone left their brand new iphone on the table and forgot about it? Will u smash? Will u take the money? Will u steal that phone? Once u make the right choice... THEN u can say u are riding with God. THAT is why there is temptation, simply so you can rise above.

 

[doublemesh96]

The bible is notorious for applying human behavior to god

 

[blastercombo]

Temptation is a part of this life but if you agree God is almighty then God created ALL of "this life".

How is creating the temptation not wrong? During the time of the first two people it was literally THE ONLY WRONG available.

 

[tekthemaestro]

Temptation is a part of this life but if you agree God created almighty then God created "this life".

How is creating the temptation not wrong? During the time of the first two people it was literally THE ONLY WRONG available.

without temptation.. then who would do wrong? who would steal if the opportunity wasn't there? The only way for there to be no temptation is if everybody was equal in every way and situation. everybody has the same social status, everyone has the same finances, everyone has the same things. Everyone would have to be...the same. Its not possible even with our own logic. 

And TECHNICALLY God created temptation. But in reality, our own wickedness did. God could place that wallet right in front of you, but a completely righteous person would ONLY think of seeing who it belonged to, to give it back. The average person would wonder how much money is in it and temptation to steal it is born from there. But again, NONE of us are pure from sin and this is why temptation exists. I see a wallet and often think "mannnn if i wasn't a Christian" and even that in itself is still wrong. I dont steal. I detest thieves, actually HATE them. (which is also wrong) but i wont steal. I come across temptation all the time, but im tempted because of my own mind, and its my choice whether to succumb to it or not.

The bible is notorious for applying human behavior to god 

no its not. it explains CONSTANTLY how God is ignored or why its wrong to apply your thinking to God. this isn't even a legitimate belief man.... WE took some of HIS characteristics... but definitely not the other way around.

 

[blastercombo]

You're not grasping what being almighty means. God in that respect does and creates EVERYTHING. For anything to create anything he did not disproves God be almighty.

And a world where all people are happy? I guess that's a bad thing to God? Who wouldn't take advantage of that you ask? The question is why would God create people who would want to steal? It's all his plan correct? He knows all correct?

 

[boris]

 
i didnt expect so see this amount of trolling in a thread about Jesus. i only read this last page but its nothing but non-believers making snide remarks instead of asking legitimate questions or having intelligent debate. this is bad.

I asked a legitimate question on the previous page and OP disregarded it. 

 

[doublemesh96]

The jig is up on religion. A lot of ppl are waking up. Those who need it I'll let them be. My problem is with those who condemn anybody who thinks otherwise.

 

[tekthemaestro]

You're not grasping what being almighty means. God in that respect does and creates EVERYTHING. For anything to create anything he did not disproves God be almighty.

And a world where all people are happy? I guess that's a bad thing to God? Who wouldn't take advantage of that you ask? The question is why would God create people who would want to steal? It's all his plan correct? He knows all correct?

The word almighty has nothing to do with creation. Not only that, you're still failing to grasp the concept of people bringing evil into the world... Not God. And asking why everyone can't be happy is basically why didn't he make it easy for us. God didn't give anybody an easy button. Everyone has their own struggles.

The complaint I often hear is if God is real then why do we struggle / why is there evil and it's because of man. Man's greed. Man's wickedness. Man's evil.

The way you talk makes it sound like you think God's job is to make it easy for you. To make you and everyone else happy. That's YOUR job while you're here.

 

[blastercombo]

God created ALL and has power over ALL correct? Now if man created evil then God is NOT the creator of all. On top of that man by that virtue has power over God.

How did man create evil when the devil, who's existence predates man, is evil? Man did not create evil. The devil supposedly already disobeyed God. Evil already existed before man


Too hard for God to do? How insulting is that to the being who has power and domain over all. God is complete power and perfection is he not? In the bible he hell his people left and right. I guess now nobody is worth his time.


And how is it "your job" when the bible teaches to just trust in God and all will be given to you?