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[jetpacunlimited]

Yes, because an ethermet and wireless adapter which is a basic and integral part of the console is the same as an optional accessory.

your argument is flawed.

I think you are the one who has the flawed logic. Based on everything I've read, Sony is going to make the PS Eye a focal point of the console this Gen. Otherwise, why waste money developing it? Makes no sense if its only to be used by games like Dance Dance Revolution

http://www.vg247.com/2013/09/05/sony-vr-headset-due-in-autumn-2014-uses-playstation-eye-rumour/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidth...gesture-control-for-ps4-with-playstation-eye/
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/08/hands-on-ps4-review-playstation-4/
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...n-Camera-Gives-PS4-Voice-Command-Capabilities
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/119301-ps4-release-date-and-everything-to-know-before-pre-ordering

But you're right. My logic is flawed.

 

[swendro]

Save for Just dance and fitness games, there's nothing in the pipline that utilizes Kinnect in any meaningful way. Hell, Ryse started as a Kinnect game, only to be reworked into a controller game with minor Kinnect features.

Sony's shown some cool stuff with the PS eye and the Playroom demo, but nothing that makes the PS eye a must buy.

Outside of the initial launch titles, information on Next Gen gaming is very scarce. So neither of those statements hold much weight. Vice Versa the exact same can be said for my argument that both companies will have use these peripherals in Impactful ways. I'll revisit this convo in about a year.

Okay, but the Kinnect has been out 2 years. The Xbox one has been in development x years. The Kinnect 2 is being boxed with every Xbox One and there is no meaningful uses for it. Why do we have to keep waiting? How have they not come up with something yet?

 

[blakep267]

Save for Just dance and fitness games, there's nothing in the pipline that utilizes Kinnect in any meaningful way. Hell, Ryse started as a Kinnect game, only to be reworked into a controller game with minor Kinnect features.

Sony's shown some cool stuff with the PS eye and the Playroom demo, but nothing that makes the PS eye a must buy.

Outside of the initial launch titles, information on Next Gen gaming is very scarce. So neither of those statements hold much weight. Vice Versa the exact same can be said for my argument that both companies will have use these peripherals in Impactful ways. I'll revisit this convo in about a year.

Okay, but the Kinnect has been out 2 years. The Xbox one has been in development x years. The Kinnect 2 is being boxed with every Xbox One and there is no meaningful uses for it. Why do we have to keep waiting? How have they not come up with something yet?

How do quantify something as meaningful? What's meaningful to me isnt for somebody else. Let's face it, no matter what games come out for the kinect, there will be a segment that has no desire to play motion control games. I could name uses that the kinect does, but that doesnt mean you will find them interesting or meaningful. So its up to every purchaser to decide that

 

[jetpacunlimited]

Okay, but the Kinnect has been out 2 years. The Xbox one has been in development x years. The Kinnect 2 is being boxed with every Xbox One and there is no meaningful uses for it. Why do we have to keep waiting? How have they not come up with something yet?

Thats a matter of opinion. Just like the PS EYE, I look forward to seeing how developers use the Kinnect 2.

 

[D Double]

I think you are the one who has the flawed logic. Based on everything I've read, Sony is going to make the PS Eye a focal point of the console this Gen. Otherwise, why waste money developing it? Makes no sense if its only to be used by games like Dance Dance Revolution

http://www.vg247.com/2013/09/05/sony-vr-headset-due-in-autumn-2014-uses-playstation-eye-rumour/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidth...gesture-control-for-ps4-with-playstation-eye/
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/08/hands-on-ps4-review-playstation-4/
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...n-Camera-Gives-PS4-Voice-Command-Capabilities
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/119301-ps4-release-date-and-everything-to-know-before-pre-ordering

But you're right. My logic is flawed.

You're right, the camera is such a focal point that they took quite some time to talk about it in the February reveal, E3, Gamescon and TGS. Even more than MS did with Kinect 2. right, right...

Your argument is flawed and the links you posted does nothing to prove your point. All they show are the capabilities of the camera. Every PlayStation console bar the PS1 has a camera and they're all optional. How you can say the camera is comparable the networking capabilities of the console is baffling.

I'm taking empire's advice. I'm done arguing.

 

[seandon23]

I hate motion control games. The only time I found them enjoying was when the Wii first dropped and now I forget I even have one

 

[Gordonson]

The only time I found them enjoying was when the Wii first dropped and now I forget I even have one

This goes for me as well

My Wii is pretty much a decoration. I need to go grab some of the better titles out there for it.

 

[laokratwr]

euro retail will be 499 euros???COT DAMN IT FIRST NIKE NOW SONY...****.

 

[Bad Religion]

euro retail will be 499 euros???COT DAMN IT FIRST NIKE NOW SONY...****.

Euro retail is 399.

The 499 is for a pack that contains 2 controllers, Killzone, and the PS Eye

 

[jetpacunlimited]

You're right, the camera is such a focal point that they took quite some time to talk about it in the February reveal, E3, Gamescon and TGS. Even more than MS did with Kinect 2. right, right...

Your argument is flawed and the links you posted does nothing to prove your point. All they show are the capabilities of the camera. Every PlayStation console bar the PS1 has a camera and they're all optional. How you can say the camera is comparable the networking capabilities of the console is baffling.

I'm taking empire's advice. I'm done arguing.

I never argued with you to being with you're the one all bent out of shape dude. WOW. Hey like I've said over and over we each have our own opinions.

 

[Bend_The_Knee]

PS4′s second screen functionality trounces Xbox One’s SmartGlass



Now that we’ve seen what the next-gen consoles have to offer in terms of traditional gaming, the focus online is shifting towards the ancillary benefits of the PS4 and Xbox One. Both Sony and Microsoft are betting on the second screen experience for the upcoming generation, and we’re finally beginning to get a better idea of what we can expect on smartphones and tablets. More importantly, the PlayStation Vita might just turn out to be the ace up Sony’s sleeve.


Recently, Sony’s Shuhei Yoshida went into detail about the brand new PlayStation app slated to come to iOS and Android later this year. Not only did he give us a better look at the user interface, but now we know what we can expect at launch. With this companion app, you can send and receive all of your PSN messages, manage your per-game invites, purchase games, and even trigger remote downloads on your PS4 over the internet. Even better, the PlayStation app serves as a way for developers to deliver touch-based gameplay on the PS4 without having to develop their own apps from scratch.


From what we’ve seen, Microsoft is very much on the same path. The Xbox SmartGlass app has been around for quite some time now, and it offers a decent amount of connectivity and control for the Xbox 360. When the Xbox One launches, we’ll definitely see a compatibility update to match Sony’s new app. No surprise there, but there is some interesting news regarding Microsoft taking on Sony’s Gaikai streaming on mobile devices. The Verge is reporting that Microsoft recently showed off Halo 4 running on a smartphone at an internal meeting. While this is still the early days, it’s safe to assume that Windows-based smartphones and tablets will eventually be able to play streamed console games — much like existing OnLive titles.


Sony has already committed to cloud-based game streaming sometime after the PS4′s initial launch, but details remain sparse. The Gaikai team will be streaming games to the PS3, PS4, PS Vita, and PS Mobile devices, and the potential of that instant game library is a huge shadow hanging over Microsoft’s head. The ability to read your instant messages on the go is a nice checkbox for your platform, but streaming hundreds of games could actually impact unit sales.

Fundamentally, Microsoft is at a disadvantage here. It appears that Sony is miles ahead on the game-streaming front, and it sells a device that is actually designed to play games wherever you are. Streaming games to the Vita is a no-brainer at this point, and will offer a much better experience than gaming on a tablet or smartphone. Even if Microsoft can catch up with Sony’s progress in terms of streaming tech, the available mobile hardware just can’t compare. Halo on a smartphone is a cool idea, but simply cannot compete with a real controller. Provided that Sony continues to execute on its impressive promises, the Vita might just seal the PS4‘s fate as the winner of the next generation.

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://...qQIwAQ&usg=AFQjCNGZQrRpGjbyXPCGsVb9HNqmMZjH3w

 

[blakep267]

PS4′s second screen functionality trounces Xbox One’s SmartGlass



Now that we’ve seen what the next-gen consoles have to offer in terms of traditional gaming, the focus online is shifting towards the ancillary benefits of the PS4 and Xbox One. Both Sony and Microsoft are betting on the second screen experience for the upcoming generation, and we’re finally beginning to get a better idea of what we can expect on smartphones and tablets. More importantly, the PlayStation Vita might just turn out to be the ace up Sony’s sleeve.


Recently, Sony’s Shuhei Yoshida went into detail about the brand new PlayStation app slated to come to iOS and Android later this year. Not only did he give us a better look at the user interface, but now we know what we can expect at launch. With this companion app, you can send and receive all of your PSN messages, manage your per-game invites, purchase games, and even trigger remote downloads on your PS4 over the internet. Even better, the PlayStation app serves as a way for developers to deliver touch-based gameplay on the PS4 without having to develop their own apps from scratch.


From what we’ve seen, Microsoft is very much on the same path. The Xbox SmartGlass app has been around for quite some time now, and it offers a decent amount of connectivity and control for the Xbox 360. When the Xbox One launches, we’ll definitely see a compatibility update to match Sony’s new app. No surprise there, but there is some interesting news regarding Microsoft taking on Sony’s Gaikai streaming on mobile devices. The Verge is reporting that Microsoft recently showed off Halo 4 running on a smartphone at an internal meeting. While this is still the early days, it’s safe to assume that Windows-based smartphones and tablets will eventually be able to play streamed console games — much like existing OnLive titles.


Sony has already committed to cloud-based game streaming sometime after the PS4′s initial launch, but details remain sparse. The Gaikai team will be streaming games to the PS3, PS4, PS Vita, and PS Mobile devices, and the potential of that instant game library is a huge shadow hanging over Microsoft’s head. The ability to read your instant messages on the go is a nice checkbox for your platform, but streaming hundreds of games could actually impact unit sales.

Fundamentally, Microsoft is at a disadvantage here. It appears that Sony is miles ahead on the game-streaming front, and it sells a device that is actually designed to play games wherever you are. Streaming games to the Vita is a no-brainer at this point, and will offer a much better experience than gaming on a tablet or smartphone. Even if Microsoft can catch up with Sony’s progress in terms of streaming tech, the available mobile hardware just can’t compare. Halo on a smartphone is a cool idea, but simply cannot compete with a real controller. Provided that Sony continues to execute on its impressive promises, the Vita might just seal the PS4‘s fate as the winner of the next generation.

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://...qQIwAQ&usg=AFQjCNGZQrRpGjbyXPCGsVb9HNqmMZjH3w

Just throwing it out there, Sony had to buy Gaikai, where as MS has had cloud streaming services for years and in the 2010 roadmap outlined streaming games. So when it comes to streaming and cloud services Ill take MS anyday. Amazon, Google and Microsoft are the best of the best at it. But regardless, I think both services will be lacking do to the fact that theres no way to get around the lag

And also, Id rather just buy a controller and plug it into my ipad or surface and play games rather than buy a vita.

 

[blackboyfly]

 

[Bad Religion]

Sony bites everything off Microsoft. How is it they had the set-up for their streaming service first?

UNPOSSIBLE!

 

[Bad Religion]

PS4′s second screen functionality trounces Xbox One’s SmartGlass



Now that we’ve seen what the next-gen consoles have to offer in terms of traditional gaming, the focus online is shifting towards the ancillary benefits of the PS4 and Xbox One. Both Sony and Microsoft are betting on the second screen experience for the upcoming generation, and we’re finally beginning to get a better idea of what we can expect on smartphones and tablets. More importantly, the PlayStation Vita might just turn out to be the ace up Sony’s sleeve.


Recently, Sony’s Shuhei Yoshida went into detail about the brand new PlayStation app slated to come to iOS and Android later this year. Not only did he give us a better look at the user interface, but now we know what we can expect at launch. With this companion app, you can send and receive all of your PSN messages, manage your per-game invites, purchase games, and even trigger remote downloads on your PS4 over the internet. Even better, the PlayStation app serves as a way for developers to deliver touch-based gameplay on the PS4 without having to develop their own apps from scratch.


From what we’ve seen, Microsoft is very much on the same path. The Xbox SmartGlass app has been around for quite some time now, and it offers a decent amount of connectivity and control for the Xbox 360. When the Xbox One launches, we’ll definitely see a compatibility update to match Sony’s new app. No surprise there, but there is some interesting news regarding Microsoft taking on Sony’s Gaikai streaming on mobile devices. The Verge is reporting that Microsoft recently showed off Halo 4 running on a smartphone at an internal meeting. While this is still the early days, it’s safe to assume that Windows-based smartphones and tablets will eventually be able to play streamed console games — much like existing OnLive titles.


Sony has already committed to cloud-based game streaming sometime after the PS4′s initial launch, but details remain sparse. The Gaikai team will be streaming games to the PS3, PS4, PS Vita, and PS Mobile devices, and the potential of that instant game library is a huge shadow hanging over Microsoft’s head. The ability to read your instant messages on the go is a nice checkbox for your platform, but streaming hundreds of games could actually impact unit sales.

Fundamentally, Microsoft is at a disadvantage here. It appears that Sony is miles ahead on the game-streaming front, and it sells a device that is actually designed to play games wherever you are. Streaming games to the Vita is a no-brainer at this point, and will offer a much better experience than gaming on a tablet or smartphone. Even if Microsoft can catch up with Sony’s progress in terms of streaming tech, the available mobile hardware just can’t compare. Halo on a smartphone is a cool idea, but simply cannot compete with a real controller. Provided that Sony continues to execute on its impressive promises, the Vita might just seal the PS4‘s fate as the winner of the next generation.

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://...qQIwAQ&usg=AFQjCNGZQrRpGjbyXPCGsVb9HNqmMZjH3w

And also, Id rather just buy a controller and plug it into my ipad or surface and play games rather than buy a vita.

Sooo.... this?

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[blakep267]

PS4′s second screen functionality trounces Xbox One’s SmartGlass



Now that we’ve seen what the next-gen consoles have to offer in terms of traditional gaming, the focus online is shifting towards the ancillary benefits of the PS4 and Xbox One. Both Sony and Microsoft are betting on the second screen experience for the upcoming generation, and we’re finally beginning to get a better idea of what we can expect on smartphones and tablets. More importantly, the PlayStation Vita might just turn out to be the ace up Sony’s sleeve.


Recently, Sony’s Shuhei Yoshida went into detail about the brand new PlayStation app slated to come to iOS and Android later this year. Not only did he give us a better look at the user interface, but now we know what we can expect at launch. With this companion app, you can send and receive all of your PSN messages, manage your per-game invites, purchase games, and even trigger remote downloads on your PS4 over the internet. Even better, the PlayStation app serves as a way for developers to deliver touch-based gameplay on the PS4 without having to develop their own apps from scratch.


From what we’ve seen, Microsoft is very much on the same path. The Xbox SmartGlass app has been around for quite some time now, and it offers a decent amount of connectivity and control for the Xbox 360. When the Xbox One launches, we’ll definitely see a compatibility update to match Sony’s new app. No surprise there, but there is some interesting news regarding Microsoft taking on Sony’s Gaikai streaming on mobile devices. The Verge is reporting that Microsoft recently showed off Halo 4 running on a smartphone at an internal meeting. While this is still the early days, it’s safe to assume that Windows-based smartphones and tablets will eventually be able to play streamed console games — much like existing OnLive titles.


Sony has already committed to cloud-based game streaming sometime after the PS4′s initial launch, but details remain sparse. The Gaikai team will be streaming games to the PS3, PS4, PS Vita, and PS Mobile devices, and the potential of that instant game library is a huge shadow hanging over Microsoft’s head. The ability to read your instant messages on the go is a nice checkbox for your platform, but streaming hundreds of games could actually impact unit sales.

Fundamentally, Microsoft is at a disadvantage here. It appears that Sony is miles ahead on the game-streaming front, and it sells a device that is actually designed to play games wherever you are. Streaming games to the Vita is a no-brainer at this point, and will offer a much better experience than gaming on a tablet or smartphone. Even if Microsoft can catch up with Sony’s progress in terms of streaming tech, the available mobile hardware just can’t compare. Halo on a smartphone is a cool idea, but simply cannot compete with a real controller. Provided that Sony continues to execute on its impressive promises, the Vita might just seal the PS4‘s fate as the winner of the next generation.

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://...qQIwAQ&usg=AFQjCNGZQrRpGjbyXPCGsVb9HNqmMZjH3w

And also, Id rather just buy a controller and plug it into my ipad or surface and play games rather than buy a vita.

Sooo.... this?

View media item 603119

Except that you wouldnt have to necessarily buy a vita tv to use it. If Microsoft, and its a big if, puts the Rio on the app store, it eliminates somebody having to buy a separate device to use it ( besides the controller). Like, it would be a really dumb move to not allow it to be on the app store or andorid marketplace. theres such an established market already there. Or you could just stream it to your 360 or xb1

 

[acemoneyog]

Yeah...that new Vita is copped

 

[thehealthinspector]

Just throwing it out there, Sony had to buy Gaikai, where as MS has had cloud streaming services for years and in the 2010 roadmap outlined streaming games. So when it comes to streaming and cloud services Ill take MS anyday. Amazon, Google and Microsoft are the best of the best at it.

really?  what was this other company streaming?

youre right though, sony bought gaikai which was actually real in the sense that some of us actually used it

feel free to tell me about your experiences with that other company

 

[blakep267]

Just throwing it out there, Sony had to buy Gaikai, where as MS has had cloud streaming services for years and in the 2010 roadmap outlined streaming games. So when it comes to streaming and cloud services Ill take MS anyday. Amazon, Google and Microsoft are the best of the best at it.

really?  what was this other company streaming?

youre right though, sony bought gaikai which was actually real in the sense that some of us actually used it

feel free to tell me about your experiences with that other company

Just throwing it out there, Sony had to buy Gaikai, where as MS has had cloud streaming services for years and in the 2010 roadmap outlined streaming games. So when it comes to streaming and cloud services Ill take MS anyday. Amazon, Google and Microsoft are the best of the best at it.

really?  what was this other company streaming?

youre right though, sony bought gaikai which was actually real in the sense that some of us actually used it

feel free to tell me about your experiences with that other company

I didnt say I used Azure, but Ill take the billion dollar service that has shown fairly low latency playing Halo 4 and a company that has one of the best cloud platforms out there.

 

[thehealthinspector]

thats fine, ill take the service ive actually used to stream games

 

[youngsimba12]

NEGATIVE.

Its the exact same situation as last gen, when X360 made Hard drives "optional" to undercut the PS3 price and in return they semi crippled what devs could do. Sony didn't "realize" anything, they saw a way to gain an "advantage" and they took it. Truth be told if the EYE was mandatory you along with all the rest of the fanboys would talk about how glorious it is. You can be blind but don't be stupid. Sony has HUGE plans for the Playstation Eye - yet the way you and a few others talk about it, its simply an "afterthought".

Logic defies you. Even "I" have the PS Eye reserved because I'm almost positive it'll play a HUGE role in Sony's future plans.

Just like "Achievements" were kiddie until you dudes got "Trophies" then all of a sudden they were awesome.
Just like "Party Chat" was useless and if you wanted to a group of your friends you'd just call them. UNTIL all of a Sudden PS gets it and its "TEH MOST AMAZING THING EVER"
Just like BUT PSN IS FREE... Even though Xbox live still proved to have a better overall experience. Then Sony announces PS4 would require a subscription and all of a sudden its "ok cuz Sony said so"...

Like its cool to blindly follow but damn at least see the obvious

Definitely see where you're coming from and even agree with a few points. Only thing I disagree with is that personally I could care less what the Eye brings. We saw some of the functionality with the Playroom demo, and it was cool to an extent, but not enough to want to make me buy one. Some of us really dont enjoy motion gaming that much and dont see a need for some of the other features the Eye/Kinect brings to us. The fact that we aren't forced to pay for something we dont want/need is a good option Sony put out there for the consumer. Plus I still think party chat is overrated...like I get it and its nice to have guess.  But the online thing is 100% true. We got exactly what we paid for with PSN....its painful to play some games online because of the lag issues and the Playstation Store is meh design wise as well. This gen I hope the online side is up to par with Microsoft.

 

[D Double]

Just throwing it out there, Sony had to buy Gaikai, where as MS has had cloud streaming services for years and in the 2010 roadmap outlined streaming games. So when it comes to streaming and cloud services Ill take MS anyday. Amazon, Google and Microsoft are the best of the best at it. But regardless, I think both services will be lacking do to the fact that theres no way to get around the lag

And also, Id rather just buy a controller and plug it into my ipad or surface and play games rather than buy a vita.

Gaikai looks good to me. It ain't perfect but with a TV with low input lag and a good internet connection it should work well.




As for MS, I won't doubt there capabilities. I expect what they do to run good as well but Gaikai is already well established and far ahead in the game. They got a world record last year for it.

View media item 603221 MS have azure but streaming applications and hosting services is a whole different kettle to streaming games.

And also, Id rather just buy a controller and plug it into my ipad or surface and play games rather than buy a vita.

That's the plan with Gaikai too, being able to play the older games on mobile devices. Sony's already included dualshock connectivity in their phones. The experience won't be the same as the Vita but it's another option.

 

[John Wick]

I have a samsung smart tv just like that one !!! Looks like I might be in the game

 

[jetpacunlimited]

New pick up today! Sorry this isn't PS4 related....

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But this is... Updated my reserves when I went in today almost there...

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[carver]

Damn jetpac.. You rich