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[D Double]

We know PlayStation 4.5 is real - but why is Sony making it?
Digital Foundry on three possible scenarios: the successor, the upgrade and the hardware tweak.

So what do we know about the rumoured PlayStation 4.5? In the wake of last week's post-GDC outing of the hardware by Kotaku, we have independently established that it's real and that Sony's R&D labs have prototype devices, and we also have more than one source referring to it as PlayStation 4K, the name we'll be using for now. And this is where things become slightly strange - because while more GPU power is being offered to developers, realistically it is nowhere near enough to provide native 4K gaming at the same quality level as current 1080p titles. The full extent of the spec is a current focus of enquiry for us, but realistically, it is simply impossible to cram the equivalent of today's top-end PC graphics hardware into a console-sized, mass-market box.

Everything we've heard positions PlayStation 4K as a machine capable of playing current and next-generation ultra HD media, while also offering support for other aspects of the 4K spec, such as high-dynamic range and a wider colour gamut - aspects of the 4K spec that could be introduced to gaming. However, in terms of additional computational power, we've got be realistic about what Sony can deliver with a mid-generation refresh.

We can say that with some degree of certainty because PlayStation 4K will almost certainly use an evolved version of the APU technology used in the current console. Once again we will see semi-custom versions of AMD's CPU and GPU technology integrated into a single, console-friendly processor, and thanks to the firm's openness with its technology roadmaps, we have a good idea of the base building blocks Sony has access to in building its next PlayStation.

We also know about the fabrication technologies available. PlayStation 4 and Xbox One arrived when 28nm microprocessors were firmly established, and right now the industry is moving on to 14nm and 16nm chips using 3D 'FinFET' transistors. Shrinking transistors and innovative new architecture are what make generational leaps in computational power possible.

So my take on it is, the main focus is 4K content with a slight boost in power to the console itself. PS2 pushed DVD's and PS3 was the trojan horse for Blu-Ray so this will be the trojan horse for 4K or UHD content.

Also last gen was around 8 years and you could tell PS360 were at their limits near the end so I expect this to launch next year holidays,4 years after launch.

I think it will be option 2 even though option 3 is the safest and smartest option imo.

What we might expect:

• We'd see a new PlayStation playing host to the same titles as the current one, but with visual improvements.
• Conceivably, older games may run more smoothly by default, or could be patched to access the newer hardware.
• Resolution could be pushed beyond 1080p and could look good on a 4K screen, but native UHD visuals for triple-A titles are off the table.
• Wouldn't be as expensive as the first option.
• State-of-the-art 4K media support, but harder to sell to all but the most hardcore gamers.

The bottom line: Scaling up and enhancing the current PlayStation doesn't sound particularly exciting and we do have to wonder what the point would be of a PS4K with very little chance of servicing 4K gaming. However, this is the design that stands the best chance of offering a decent bump to system capabilities without introducing too much in the way of compatibility issues. Our gut feeling right now (nothing more) is that this is the form the current prototypes take

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...ystation-4k-is-real-but-why-is-sony-making-it

 

[suberzat1]

Unless the PS4.5 is running PS3 games it is not worth buying

 

[bigj505]

would be absolutely disgusted if they dropped a ps4 successor so fast when they havent even giving us a full library of ps4 games nor used the console to its full potential yet.

 

[seandon23]

would be absolutely disgusted if they dropped a ps4 successor so fast when they havent even giving us a full library of ps4 games nor used the console to its full potential yet.

its not really a "successor" i doubt there will be any reason to really buy it if you already have a ps4 

 

[bigj505]

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would be absolutely disgusted if they dropped a ps4 successor so fast when they havent even giving us a full library of ps4 games nor used the console to its full potential yet.

its not really a "successor" i doubt there will be any reason to really buy it if you already have a ps4 

in my eyes, a 4.5 is a successor tho i understand its not a ps5.

 

[swendro]

But how would what's describe mean that the PS4 wouldn't have a full library or achieve it's full potential?

 

[seandon23]

in my eyes, a 4.5 is a successor tho i understand its not a ps5.

i guess but its not really right they aren't bringing any new features that would constitute it as being so unless you mind the graphics upgrade 

 

[suberzat1]

But how would what's describe mean that the PS4 wouldn't have a full library or achieve it's full potential?

Not giving us backwards compatible is not using it's full potential 

 

[swendro]

But how would what's describe mean that the PS4 wouldn't have a full library or achieve it's full potential?

Not giving us backwards compatible is not using it's full potential 

Ok, then it will never live up to its potential, regardless if a ps4k comes out. That won't have BC either.

 

[Black Lotus]

 
i guess but its not really right they aren't bringing any new features that would constitute it as being so unless you mind the graphics upgrade 

yea i wouldnt call it a succesor thats why some were calling it 4.5 and not 5.

 

[concordflightxi]

What's irritating is that once the ps4.5 comes out, the PS VR will be then be rendered obsolete because it only outputs in 1080p. Now they're gonna double dip and make a PS VR 4K... Looks like Sony is following the Apple model. Well played

 

[luckyluchiano]

Can we expect a ps4 price drop then?

 

[suberzat1]

Can we expect a ps4 price drop then?

Nope

 

[swendro]

What's irritating is that once the ps4.5 comes out, the PS VR will be then be rendered obsolete because it only outputs in 1080p. Now they're gonna double dip and make a PS VR 4K... Looks like Sony is following the Apple model. Well played

No, because It likely won't be capable of 4K gaming at the frame rate needed for VR.

And PSVR is going to be sold at a profit, which wouldn't be possible at that price point with a 4K display. (if there are even 4K displays that size...idk?)

 

[bigj505]

in my eyes, a 4.5 is a successor tho i understand its not a ps5.

i guess but its not really right they aren't bringing any new features that would constitute it as being so unless you mind the graphics upgrade 

its a matter of opinion. we obviously dont agree. ive already said its not a successor like a ps5 would be but i feel as though the changes are enough to warrant a .5 notation which means something to me.

im gonna be sitting back with an attitude as i see ps4.5 exclusive features for a console i purchased only 4 years ago. definitely not happy about that.

 

[D Double]

Unless the PS4.5 is running PS3 games it is not worth buying

Powerful PC's out there can't even emulate the PS3 so don't expect it from a PS4 successor.The architecture is just too different.
I know people think Sony is intentionally shafting them with BC but it's case of not being able to do it and the fact that remasters are more popular and profitable.

would be absolutely disgusted if they dropped a ps4 successor so fast when they havent even giving us a full library of ps4 games nor used the console to its full potential yet.

They won't drop success for the PS4, the PS4.5 would just be able to run games that bit better so they will share the same library

What's irritating is that once the ps4.5 comes out, the PS VR will be then be rendered obsolete because it only outputs in 1080p. Now they're gonna double dip and make a PS VR 4K... Looks like Sony is following the Apple model. Well played

As the article says, no way they can a make a box as small as the PS4 run 4K games. 4K will just be for video content.

There's already mixed emotions about a PS4 update, no way they'll do incremental updates for VR when it's still untested and expensive.

Can we expect a ps4 price drop then?

Should do. It won't be out till next year at the least so PS4 would have dropped in price by then. That would be around the time you get a slim version anyway.

 

[bigj505]

D Double i already said my peace on it. you are replying to an older comment bruh.

 

[seandon23]

its a matter of opinion. we obviously dont agree. ive already said its not a successor like a ps5 would be but i feel as though the changes are enough to warrant a .5 notation which means something to me.

im gonna be sitting back with an attitude as i see ps4.5 exclusive features for a console i purchased only 4 years ago. definitely not happy about that.

i guess so but believing it to be a successor just doesn't correct way to view it is all like i said earlier 

 

[bigj505]

its a matter of opinion. we obviously dont agree. ive already said its not a successor like a ps5 would be but i feel as though the changes are enough to warrant a .5 notation which means something to me.


im gonna be sitting back with an attitude as i see ps4.5 exclusive features for a console i purchased only 4 years ago. definitely not happy about that.

i guess so but believing it to be a successor just doesn't correct way to view it is all like i said earlier 

so lets drop the successor term and fill it in with something else since you cant get past that word. no matter what i say, your brain is stuck on the word successor.

 

[Fozz]

in my eyes, a 4.5 is a successor tho i understand its not a ps5.

Yeah, I agree.

 

[seandon23]

so lets drop the successor term and fill it in with something else since you cant get past that word. no matter what i say, your brain is stuck on the word successor.

i think we'll just have to agree to disagree i think calling it that just makes it bigger than what it really is imo

 

[shottadru]

Apple's business model has entered video games

 

[bigj505]

so lets drop the successor term and fill it in with something else since you cant get past that word. no matter what i say, your brain is stuck on the word successor.

i think we'll just have to agree to disagree i think calling it that just makes it bigger than what it really is imo

right so you cant get passed the TERM vs the context of what i am saying.

any way you slice it, we are getting a .5 model which is enough to know that its not just a minimal update.

 

[seandon23]

right so you cant get passed the TERM vs the context of what i am saying.

any way you slice it, we are getting a .5 model which is enough to know that its not just a minimal update.

no you got it wrong i understand the context you're saying well but with the updates to the ps4.5 most notably being the 4K implementation i dont think its going to be something big as in the ps4 going into 4k gaming because that would also break the up the ps4 community and the hardware that the ps4 has can't run 4k games so it won't have that big of change with the games that will be put out. like i said before besides getting probably better graphics i dont see much that the ps4.5 will do which is why i dont like the moniker of successor being attached to it 

 

[Bad Religion]

Half models are always successful. I don't know what you're all talking about.