"The Last Dance" Michael Jordan & Chicago Bulls Docuseries

[KHUFU]

Ali chose to be an activist.

It comes down to decisions. No person should feel obligated especially the more popular you are.

Again, one for FOX news. It would not have been hard to state that he was NOT endorsing Helms.

 

[Master Zik]

Again, one for FOX news. It would not have been hard to state that he was NOT endorsing Helms.

I feel like he specifically did that on purpose.

They literally had to drag Jordan in to that.

The more popular you are, the more obligation you have.

Quite the opposite.

Whats the point of all that fame and notoriety gained by your talent and skill if others can use you and dictate what you should or shouldn't stand for?

The entire point of being on top of the game like that is being able to freely tell others no Imma do what I want.

Again, its their choice. Just like all the other names mentioned.

 

[Mr Dink]

The only obligation Jordan ever had was to win championships for the Chicago Bulls.

 

[brian8598]

I think Jesse Helms was a pretty widely recognized piece of ****, regardless of political affiliation. I don't think it would have been a big leap to come out in opposition to his reelection. However, he was also pretty laser-focused on what was going on in his life, which might have seemed quite a bit removed from the 1990 North Carolina Senate race. I tend to take his word that he simply wasn't interested in being involved in politics, but it is still a bit disheartening. I also don't know how much a celebrity athlete endorsement from someone who no longer lives in the state probably wouldn't have made a huge difference in the results, or shouldn't at least. I don't know. No one is perfect.

 

[pilbondin]

 

[KHUFU]

I feel like he specifically did that on purpose.

They literally had to drag Jordan in to that.

Quite the opposite.

Whats the point of all that fame and notoriety gained by your talent and skill if others can use you and dictate what you should or shouldn't stand for?

The entire point of being on top of the game like that is being able to freely tell others no Imma do what I want.

Again, its their choice. Just like all the other names mentioned.

Forced? lol

 

[Mr Dink]

Those Bulls vs Knicks highlights were probably my favorite in the whole series. Saving this episode on my DVR just for that clip alone.

 

[KHUFU]

I think Jesse Helms was a pretty widely recognized piece of ****, regardless of political affiliation. I don't think it would have been a big leap to come out in opposition to his reelection. However, he was also pretty laser-focused on what was going on in his life, which might have seemed quite a bit removed from the 1990 North Carolina Senate race. I tend to take his word that he simply wasn't interested in being involved in politics, but it is still a bit disheartening. I also don't know how much a celebrity athlete endorsement from someone who no longer lives in the state probably wouldn't have made a huge difference in the results, or shouldn't at least. I don't know. No one is perfect.

If he were widely known as such, he would never won, nor have served as long as he did. Someone liked him, and majority rules.

 

[Master Zik]

Forced? lol

I had to reread my post cuz I know the word forced isn't in it


Ali wasn't obligated to do anything. He took a risk and stood up for what he believed in. Thats what makes him a hero. If he was obligated to speak against and actively defy laws it would not be the same.

Same with Jackie Robinson or whoever else you want to mention.

The same way Tiger chose differently and never spoke on anything dealing with the black community when it mattered.

Pretending there's an obligation diminishes the risk and bravery exceptional ppl in a given field take and display when they do speak or act out against something.

If he were widely known as such, he would never won, nor have served as long as he did. Someone liked him, and majority rules.

You are grossly underestimating race relations in the 90s and the ignorance towards racism or tolerance of it during that time.

Especially in a state like North Carolina.

 

[shogun]

Blah blah blah. People going to be posting the same thing every Sunday. Athletes will speak on the stuff they want to and if they want to.

 

[KHUFU]

I had to reread my post cuz I know forced isn't in it


Ali wasn't obligated to do anything. He took a risk and stood up for what he believed in. Thats what makes him a hero. If he was obligated to speak against and actively defy laws it would not be the same.

Same with Jackie Robinson or whoever else you want to mention.

The same way Tiger chose differently and never spoke on anything dealing with the black community when it mattered

Muhammad Ali indeed stated that he was obligated, and there is waaaaaay too much footage of him stating such.

 

[Master Zik]

Muhammad Ali indeed stated that he was obligated, and there is waaaaaay too much footage of him stating such.

Man, he said that **** to make common black folk already part of the movement to make them feel good. Unity in numbers.

Unless you're referring to him basing that obligation on his faith which I wont speak to.

 

[KHUFU]

 

[brian8598]

If he were widely known as such, he would never won, nor have served as long as he did. Someone liked him, and majority rules.

I would say that Donald Trump (and plenty of other examples) was/is widely recognized as a piece of ****, and he was elected as well. We're talking about the south, 30 years ago, and a lot of people (then and always) will vote according to the "R" or "D" next to a name regardless of the candidate's actual policies, actions, or beliefs. I don't think Jordan supporting Gantt would have made much of a difference, unless it was a particularly close race and he would have brought enough attention to the race to get more people out to the poles. I just don't think it would have been much of a leap or risk to do it, and has probably cost reputation more in the long run, but if that's what your calculation is based on, then are you doing it for the right reason anyway? I don't know.

 

[DB Cooper]

Going to have to rewatch that Bulls/Knicks series from '93. Being down 0-2. then coming back to win it.

 

[Master Zik]

Seen it before.

Why go kill dark skinned ppl in Vietnam when white ppl in America are my enemy.

Not anything about being obligated to speak against or participate in an unjust war or war in general.

You just pointed out a perfect example of Ali's choices given his status at the time wouldn't have even resulted in him seeing any action in the war had he been drafted. The man purposely stood up, spoke out, defied the draft, and risked his career.

 

[KHUFU]

I would say that Donald Trump (and plenty of other examples) was/is widely recognized as a piece of ****, and he was elected as well. We're talking about the south, 30 years ago, and a lot of people (then and always) will vote according to the "R" or "D" next to a name regardless of the candidate's actual policies, actions, or beliefs. I don't think Jordan supporting Gantt would have made much of a difference, unless it was a particularly close race and he would have brought enough attention to the race to get more people out to the poles. I just don't think it would have been much of a leap or risk to do it, and has probably cost reputation more in the long run, but if that's what your calculation is based on, then are you doing it for the right reason anyway? I don't know.

Did not need to speak up for Gantt. Could have simply said that he wasn’t for Helms.

 

[KHUFU]

 

[Master Zik]

"I'm a minority.... I'm from England."

 

[brendasdeadbaby]

Jordan would have lost nothing/very little by supporting gnatt. Politics In the public wasn’t as vocally partisan as it is in now in the social media age. Especially a state election. He was more worried about Not pissing off the people lining his pockets that’s house ***** mentality and anybody who supports it.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Might be an emotional one here fellas

Honestly, it was nowhere as bad as I thought it would be.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

I couldn't believe he made the team over Shaq..

Looking back on it, sure.

But At the time he has the most decorated College Player of his era. It wasn't a bad selection at all.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

When magic was taking trash about mike in the practice about damn he even get calls in here.... I felt like this apply to lebron, harden and Kawhi.. them dudes can breathe and get a call in they favor

Any lower level player could say the same about any star player. I am sure Jeff Ruland could have said the same about Magic. Perk of being a star.

 

[wavycrocket]

Eerie how much Jesse Helms and Mitch McConnell favor. And what’s crazy is....McConnell is the most powerful dude in our country, next to Trump. And he making Jesse Helms people judges....right now. Crazy how you follow the line...it’s clear

 

[championboyz7]

“You want this ball again brother, you better rebound.”