The Combat Jack Show Thread

[Maximus Meridius]

I'm not putting rappers with activists who made that their life's work. Only one I might put in there is Pac because he was raised in a activist household.

That's not to diminish rappers because there are some rappers who are more than entertainment but it's 2 totally different fields. Different circumstances. Different expectations placed on you.

 

[str8drop]

The comparison is ridiculous, not even worth analyzing

 

[tay1]

Joe and them got a lot of comments on they Patreon. I wonder how many people they got subscribed now.

 

[Mark Antony]

The comparison is ridiculous, not even worth analyzing

Personally I think black activists and black capitatlists all serve a purpose, but those dudes rolling in their grave at the comparison.

 

[Mark Antony]

Joe and them got a lot of comments on they Patreon. I wonder how many people they got subscribed now.

Real numbers or not, based on the poll I saw last week with atleast 5500 votes (polls are only for the 10 and up tier) they should def be cracking the top 10 earners.

 

[trynafeelmink]

While we're on the subject that class of leadership of the Fred's & Malcolms would never even materialize in today's climate & world. Technology alone would make it a million times easier to disorient the Panthers

Not to mention Cats like Fred Hampton & Malcolm would be tore down by the "intellectuals" under the guise of "toxic masculinity" & "hate speech" given today's rules. That iteration of black activism seems to be gone, the prominent "activist" these days seem to only get a following when they assimilate into spaces rather then preaching an alternative.

Both those dudes would have probably be dismissed as delusional "hoteps" in today's society.

 

[str8drop]

I mean the OG Panthers formed in Oakland and Berkeley on college campuses, **** they were the intellectuals, white radicals/liberals loved _’s like Fred, Eldridge Cleaver etc

It’s just different times in general tho. Black ppl today for the most part see black capitalism, ownership and the accumulation of wealth as our way forward. So yeah, somebody like Fred prolly wouldn’t be that popular today

Fred Hampton Jr called Hov “Slave-Z” when Murder to Excellence came to out

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Back then it was a section of "intelligent" black folks that opposed the black panthers and thought they was too "radical". We all seen that clip of the black dude jumping in Malcolm's interview saying "black people should just blaming white people.. " and Malcolm basically called him a uncle tom right there lol.

Unfortunately it's always been a group black people thinking "well I'm educated and got a good job so what's the problem??"

 

[Magic33]

This has a lot to touch on but a few points stuck out.

1) Will they study Jay's lyrics 50 years down the line..... absolutely guys like him & Nas are some of the best WRITERS in history & their lyrics give first hand accounts of one of the most pivotal eras in black history. A LOT can be learned from Jay lyrics... positive to growth or negative, all depends on how the individual interprets the messaging.

2) I agree that no rapper should be mentioned in the same sentence as those you listed, because those you listed put EVERYTHING on the line for their message & ultimately were killed for there thoughts. With that said there is a huge grey area between Head figure of black activism.... and greedy parasite capitalist & Jay falls in between that line. I can't berate ****** for not wanting to be Martyr's. Everyone Gotta play a role & the entertainers in the black community have always had a part by lending their pockets, connections & voice.

3) That Voice is powerful!! So to link your example, yea P.E might not have been able to stop an epidemic but do you know how many ideas they sparked that helped people choose a better path. Whether that was knowledge of self, whether it was alternate ideologies, even if it led to someone wanting to be a musician etc etc.... all of that helps. Jay's voice Rings louder than P.E and his influence is undeniable in the black community. He's far from the first to speak like this, but he's one of the few who can amplify it at that level & have it resonate with a specific audience.

Number 1 is basically describing what I was saying. Bob Marley is the music to a revolution, Malcolm X is in another stratosphere. Malcolm X is the guide to a revolution. If you're an activist it's a prerequisite to study Malcolm X. That's no comparison with Jay-Z, J Cole, Kendrick or any rapper. That would be like comparing Sam Cooke to Dr King. They have their specific place and lane.

and not sure about that Jay-Z's voice rings louder. In 1988, 1990? Hell, I can see Chuck D on CNN in 2021. Chuck has an entire catalog of activism. People wear PE shirts. I'm not sure if you know how big PE was.

 

[Magic33]

They're back



I enjoyed their episode about Dilla and Pun

 

[harlemtothebronx]

The DOOM episodes they dropped were great.

 

[marikomorose]

They're back



I enjoyed their episode about Dilla and Pun

they lowkey have my favourite podcast, taught me/others so much ****, but they don't take it serious at all Nore & Q-tip are some solid *** dudes.

 

[trynafeelmink]

I mean the OG Panthers formed in Oakland and Berkeley on college campuses, **** they were the intellectuals, white radicals/liberals loved _’s like Fred, Eldridge Cleaver etc

It’s just different times in general tho. Black ppl today for the most part see black capitalism, ownership and the accumulation of wealth as our way forward. So yeah, somebody like Fred prolly wouldn’t be that popular today

Fred Hampton Jr called Hov “Slave-Z” when Murder to Excellence came to out

they absolutely faced opposition but black students on college campuses back then would be a lot more susceptible to the panthers messaging based strictly off the times. during that era there was no way for America to mask racism or throw out all these examples of "inclusion" those students were faced with straight up 100% raw unaltered American racism. So i could see black students supporting that ideology & lifestyle based off of pure survival.

Fast forward to today, the racism is still alive & well but it's much more sophisticated & less in your face (Depending on your area). Add in a higher assimilation of blacks into "american culture" and now that sense of having to stick together is almost gone. There's black people who based off their lifestyle who will tell you racism doesn't exist because they've been sheltered from it.

So yes your correct that a lot of the panthers were the "intellectuals" & college student but there messages & ideology were still harvested in the black community & focused on building from within. A lot of these new activist strategy & motives just seem unauthentic & all seem to be convoluted with a bunch of white liberal agendas.

 

[kingfoamnyc]

While we're on the subject that class of leadership of the Fred's & Malcolms would never even materialize in today's climate & world. Technology alone would make it a million times easier to disorient the Panthers

Not to mention Cats like Fred Hampton & Malcolm would be tore down by the "intellectuals" under the guise of "toxic masculinity" & "hate speech" given today's rules. That iteration of black activism seems to be gone, the prominent "activist" these days seem to only get a following when they assimilate into spaces rather then preaching an alternative.

Both those dudes would have probably be dismissed as delusional "hoteps" in today's society.

 

[Magic33]

they absolutely faced opposition but black students on college campuses back then would be a lot more susceptible to the panthers messaging based strictly off the times. during that era there was no way for America to mask racism or throw out all these examples of "inclusion" those students were faced with straight up 100% raw unaltered American racism. So i could see black students supporting that ideology & lifestyle based off of pure survival.

Fast forward to today, the racism is still alive & well but it's much more sophisticated & less in your face (Depending on your area). Add in a higher assimilation of blacks into "american culture" and now that sense of having to stick together is almost gone. There's black people who based off their lifestyle who will tell you racism doesn't exist because they've been sheltered from it.

So yes your correct that a lot of the panthers were the "intellectuals" & college student but there messages & ideology were still harvested in the black community & focused on building from within. A lot of these new activist strategy & motives just seem unauthentic & all seem to be convoluted with a bunch of white liberal agendas.

This is the problem with the post MLK/Panthers. Since then we've gotten Jesse and Al. And anyone who steps in fronts motives would be question and who their allegiance is with.

Look at BLM.

Heck, now we have Tariq as some sort of leader

Even if their motives were pure, all it would take would be some internet rumor to stop to tear them down where someone wouldn't trust them.

 

[trynafeelmink]

This is the problem with the post MLK/Panthers. Since then we've gotten Jesse and Al. And anyone who steps in fronts motives would be question and who their allegiance is with.

Look at BLM.

Heck, now we have Tariq as some sort of leader

Even if their motives were pure, all it would take would be some internet rumor to stop to tear them down where someone wouldn't trust them.

Yea as far as i'm concerned that Deity like figure for black activism is dead. If i'm being honest if you look at the lives those men & women of the panthers lived & died for, then see the results now.

If not sure if i'm eager to become the next Martyr & figurehead, any changes from hear on out is gonna take a large community of varying strategies.

 

[Mark Antony]

Fast forward to today, the racism is still alive & well but it's much more sophisticated & less in your face (Depending on your area). Add in a higher assimilation of blacks into "american culture" and now that sense of having to stick together is almost gone. There's black people who based off their lifestyle who will tell you racism doesn't exist because they've been sheltered from it.

And that's by design. Unfortunately (fortunately?) It's not too long until kids sheltered like this have to interface with police. Reality will hit.

 

[diabolicaldeezy]

And that's by design. Unfortunately (fortunately?) It's not too long until kids sheltered like this have to interface with police. Reality will hit.

This..
I got one on IG, dude is a military cop, so hes rules are rules, dont break the law, and you won’t have to worry about the police type weirdos, if you get pulled over have this and that turn the lights on roll down the windows etc..tried to compare the Jan storming of the capitol to the panthers in 1967 in Cali.. All that sound cool kid until you get the right cop on your headtop then that Military ID dont mean nathaniel...
I be trying to tell these delusional dudes, off base out of uniform we look like every other black person

 

[str8drop]

they absolutely faced opposition but black students on college campuses back then would be a lot more susceptible to the panthers messaging based strictly off the times. during that era there was no way for America to mask racism or throw out all these examples of "inclusion" those students were faced with straight up 100% raw unaltered American racism. So i could see black students supporting that ideology & lifestyle based off of pure survival.

Fast forward to today, the racism is still alive & well but it's much more sophisticated & less in your face (Depending on your area). Add in a higher assimilation of blacks into "american culture" and now that sense of having to stick together is almost gone. There's black people who based off their lifestyle who will tell you racism doesn't exist because they've been sheltered from it.

So yes your correct that a lot of the panthers were the "intellectuals" & college student but there messages & ideology were still harvested in the black community & focused on building from within. A lot of these new activist strategy & motives just seem unauthentic & all seem to be convoluted with a bunch of white liberal agendas.

Nah I was saying in the sense that this was kinda a niche group of scholars and thinkers originally. Black law students at Berkeley that were reading about marxism, socialism, digging deeper into Mao Zedong etc along with other black nationalist stuff really kicked that specific wave off. Huey nem got inspired from those college meetings and started the Panthers.

The average black college student wasn't on that and that black socialist/anti-capitalist community is damn near non existent now in general. A lot of those people would prolly just be a professor or something today ala Cornel West, Jamal Jospeh etc

What you saying was true even back then tho, BPP was tapped in with the white liberal/radicals like Weather Underground. They were drawing from a lot of the same philosophy. That ended up being why Stokely nem bounced.

 

[kingfoamnyc]

Sup

 

[WASPS ANDD ASPS]

Who dat?

 

[6pac]

While we're on the subject that class of leadership of the Fred's & Malcolms would never even materialize in today's climate & world. Technology alone would make it a million times easier to disorient the Panthers

Not to mention Cats like Fred Hampton & Malcolm would be tore down by the "intellectuals" under the guise of "toxic masculinity" & "hate speech" given today's rules. That iteration of black activism seems to be gone, the prominent "activist" these days seem to only get a following when they assimilate into spaces rather then preaching an alternative.

Both those dudes would have probably be dismissed as delusional "hoteps" in today's society.

On the contrary I feel like a revolution today would be much more effective if ****** just figured out how to make apps and only allowed membership to “us”....

 

[tay1]

On the contrary I feel like a revolution today would be much more effective if ****** just figured out how to make apps and only allowed membership to “us”....

We are more divided than ever today

 

[Maximus Meridius]

I get what they saying but they know damn well Meek loves the cameras. Meek is not gonna go the other way if he see the clown show. Meek saw the clown show and was probably like "this is my chance to show IG Ima real _".

I'm glad they brought up dudes "security"

What real security is gonna allow the person they're protecting to wait outside and start some ****? C'mon man. _'s need to ignore this clown and let him live in his rat cage life.

 

[jus3]

Joe doing Joe things.