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- Thread in 'Sports & Training' Thread starter Started by allen3xis,
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Yall were due to finally get one back against us.
I can't lie, I don't look froward to facing Dejuan Blair anymore
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Reggie Williams from VMI killin again this year in that system....38 more tonight
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Told Ya'll my sons a beast!
Still beat him one on one though...
Still beat him one on one though...
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Wait, i aint hear this story..?
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We from the same hood, Played in the same summer Y league since about 04..so ive had a few good runs
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Agree on all counts... kansas is the best looking team in the country (do they have a guy on that roster WITHOUT a ridiculous wingspan?) and i thinkthey're my odds on favorite for the title,with memphis the next closest team and then a whole pack of about 10 teams coming in third.
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As far as TALENT goes, Georgetown IS on those "top tier" teams level...once this team gels then it'll be a great thing to see. This team is offto a better start than last years Final Four team...I have no problems with 2 losses to two top 25 teams. We'll see Pitt again. And when Roy grows a pair,Blair is in trouble. I dont understand Roy sometimes. Everytime he made a move nobody could stop him...but he's so damn soft.
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^ I agree to an extent...I don't know though, seems like with so many guys back we should be a little bit more crisp right now and the rebounding is aconcern. Talent and coaching is there for another run though. I'm with you, when we're "ON"..it's beautiful to watch
And agree on Roy too, when he goes hard and makes that drop step to the baseline or the little hook in the lane, nobody is stoppin that, let alone a 6'7kid. I don't know what it is with him and his mindset.
I had a problem with the guards tonight too though, Jessie throwin entry passes to his wrong shoulder, the ball movement with Roy rolling to the hoopwasn't quick as it should have been, little things like that. And Wallace doesn't look like he has his legs under him, Chris Wright is needed back soonjust for some more depth
Oh alright Cam
...then I don't need to have you tell him he's abum
But, not really
And agree on Roy too, when he goes hard and makes that drop step to the baseline or the little hook in the lane, nobody is stoppin that, let alone a 6'7kid. I don't know what it is with him and his mindset.
I had a problem with the guards tonight too though, Jessie throwin entry passes to his wrong shoulder, the ball movement with Roy rolling to the hoopwasn't quick as it should have been, little things like that. And Wallace doesn't look like he has his legs under him, Chris Wright is needed back soonjust for some more depth
Oh alright Cam
But, not really
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The problem is Kansas underachieves and Memphis always underachieves.....granted Memphis plays in possibly the worst conference in the country...it setsthem up for failure come March
There are clearly 4 teams that are above all others and I dont see it changing.....
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Underachievers? I'll give you Kansas... however, this is the first Self coached team that has had the best talent in the country... at least give him ashot with these guys in the tournament before saying his teams truly underachieve... Trust me, i've always hated on kansas and their lacklustermarch's... But Self != Roy, and I think they're much different under him.
And memphis has as much march success the last few years as anybody, outside of the gators and bruins... back to back elite eights? C'mon, that'snot really underachieving is it?
These two squads are a notch above the rest of the country - that's all there is to it.
Doesn't mean they're going to win it all - but i don't think you can deny they have looked better than anybody else, even the rest of the top10.
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Griffin's injury for OU = Wrap for the season; If he is out for any extended period of time....
And co-sign on KU being SCARY good...
co-sign on Georgetown being warm pudding soft...
and if taylor king turns into Lee Melchionni on steroids, then I will be extremely happy...
@ JJ getting kidnapped by Chris and Johnny....
That boy Benjamin (PITT) stepped up big last night....
And co-sign on KU being SCARY good...
co-sign on Georgetown being warm pudding soft...
and if taylor king turns into Lee Melchionni on steroids, then I will be extremely happy...
That boy Benjamin (PITT) stepped up big last night....
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Good timing - Pomeroy just put out and article on who comes next after memphis and kansas...
I swear i put my theory together on my own, i know you guyswill never believe me though.
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Kansas, Memphis, UCLA and then...
by Ken Pomeroy
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I can't remember a season with as much uncertainty in mid-January as we have in this one. A lot of it has to do with the lack of quality matchups in November and December. The consensus top four right now is Kansas, UCLA, North Carolina and Memphis. Among them, there are not a lot of quality victories to justify claims of eventual post-season dominance. In my opinion, Kansas and Memphis are the two best teams in the nation. Kansas, by virtue of a bushelful of lopsided victories which have showcased their depth and athleticism; Memphis mostly due to the fact that they just look really good and haven't been tested by anyone on their schedule, either. Even so, the victory that legitimized the Tigers' status was the home win against Georgetown. Don't get me wrong, it was a nice win, but like so many other teams, Georgetown may be a top ten team, and they may not. The Hoyas haven't exactly proven much themselves.
With all that said, I'm going to go ahead and declare Kansas and Memphis as the top two teams in the country in that order right now, for whatever that's worth to you. I'll pencil UCLA into the #3 spot for the moment. They're not perfect, but the Bruins are coming off an 81-74 whipping of Washington State last Saturday. Yes, whipping is the proper term here. For those that tuned out prematurely, here's what the Cougars did on seven consecutive garbage-time possessions.
01:34 GOOD! 3 PTR by Low, Derrick
01:19 GOOD! 3 PTR by Rochestie, Taylor
00:57 GOOD! 3 PTR by Low, Derrick
00:48 GOOD! 3 PTR by Low, Derrick
00:40 GOOD! 3 PTR by Rochestie, Taylor
00:26 GOOD! 3 PTR by Harmeling, Daven
00:13 GOOD! 3 PTR by Harmeling, Daven
That's 21 points in seven possessions, and fortunately for the Bruins, Wazzu was down by 15 before this barrage started. When the game was still on the line, Kevin Love dominated a bigger Aron Baynes and Darren Collison looked healthy. I don't think anybody seriously thought the Cougs were the fourth-best team in the country, as their AP rank indicated, but there's a reasonable argument that they're the Bruins' closest Pac-10 competition, and the game wasn't really close. There hasn't been much player-of-the year hype yet this season, but Love has done the most against the best competition. He scores, he gets to the line, he rebounds, he passes and he defends. Love's presence has allowed UCLA's offense, at least in terms of its starting five, to be able to play with anyone in the land, and that's saying a lot considering Ben Howland's reputation as being a defense-first coach.
So that leaves us with the juicy question of who's #4, which provides me with a great opportunity for the initial North Carolina/Duke comparison piece. At this point, the two teams have the best claims on this spot. Let's compare arguments.
The case for North Carolina: UNC is the obvious choice. I actually have to frame this as a case against the Tar Heels, because there's plenty of material floating around to support their case for #1 let alone this spot. I realize I'm probably the only person in America that doesn't believe the Heels are in the top three at this point. However, from what I gather, the argument for them being the best team in the country goes something like this: "They were really good last season, and it's basically the same team" and "They haven't lost yet."
As all of you should know by now, I find the latter argument unconvincing. I'm much more concerned about who you've beaten (and how) than how many you've beaten. The popular view is that last week's results cemented the Tar Heels claim to the top spot, but let's review what they accomplished. A week ago Sunday, they beat Clemson on an overtime buzzer-beater by Wayne Ellington. This result has been interpreted as a gritty win in a hostile environment. However, they basically proved themselves equal to Clemson. You might think it was a clutch shot by Wayne Ellington that gave the Heels the win, but what do you think Ellington's chance of making that shot were? While you're chewing on that, consider how often that Clemson's David Potter jumps a pass and fails to get a deflection out of it. OK, so maybe Ellington's chances are 100% and Potter's are zero, because Ty Lawson (who delivered the pass on the final shot) and Ellington are just clutch. Well, they must have been studying up on the Clutch Handbook in the offseason, because last season this team was 0-4 last season in games that went to OT or were decided by four points or less.
Their other win last week was a 31-point win at home against NC State, a game in which UNC led 43-13 at the half. This is a nice win, but it was probably against the worst team in the conference, and a team that, without Farnold Degand for the rest of the season, doesn't have a viable point guard.
Now the case for Duke: If you swapped the Duke results with UNC so far, would anyone notice the difference? Probably not, because what they've done on paper isn't very different. We could play the Ellington exercise above with Levance Fields' three-pointer that provided the Blue Devils with their only loss. Fields, by the way, has missed 70% of his 3-point attempts this season.
There's no question Duke is more imperfect than UNC. They're small, they don't rebound well, they're too dependent on three-pointers, and they're playing a style that is completely new to the program. They also lack big game experience, for whatever that's worth. However, on paper, this team seems to be hiding their weaknesses very well. Before dismissing them, one thing to consider is their youth. They're the 41st-youngest team in college basketball (at least in terms of college basketball experience, not by age). Of the teams mentioned here, Duke is likely to improve the most for the remainder of the season.
The argument against Duke also includes poll inertia. UNC is #1 in the polls because that's where they started and they haven't lost. Duke is somewhat farther down because they started the season farther down and lost once. Poll inertia is not necessarily a bad thing. Preseason polls are a great reality check on early expectations. Based on expectations, and what we know about last season, Carolina is probably the better team, despite the fact that both UNC's and Duke's on-court performance is similar to this point. The difference, however, is a lot smaller than most people thought when the season started.
Ken Pomeroy is an author of Basketball Prospectus. You can contact Ken by clicking here or click here to see Ken's other articles.
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Yea I would say Kansas is probably the best team right now.
They got it all.
They got it all.
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At least they werent banking in 35-footers like Iowa did to us in garbage time to almost come back and win
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derrick low is sooo real. dude aint agressive at all tho. hes better than weaver and should demand the damn ball
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I know he can play. Just is not assertive enough.
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Damn Ohio St came back from like 23 down so quickly
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As if blowing a 16 point lead to Minnesota on Saturday and then getting trounced at home tonight vs Wiskey wasn't enough.... Geary Claxton (2nd leadingscorer in the big ten, one of the top rebounders, and a preseason 1st team all big ten'er) was injured and will miss the rest of his senior season at PennState... just a terrible stroke of luck and my heart goes out to Clax - the kid has stuck it out here at PSU when he could've left to play nearly anywhereafter seeing this program was being rebuilt around him the last 4 years... and now he can't even play the last half of his final season here. I'mhonestly heartbroken over this.... he deserved better than to go out like this. I expect him, if he's able to make a full recovery, to have many years ofsuccess playing pro somewhere in the world - he's a great athlete and one of the best players PSU has ever had.
That's my "eulogy" for the man...
Penn State's basketball program is just cursed.. i swear. Anytime we show signs of moving in the right direction it all comes crashing down for no apparentreason.
That's my "eulogy" for the man...
Penn State's basketball program is just cursed.. i swear. Anytime we show signs of moving in the right direction it all comes crashing down for no apparentreason.
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wow, he was a really good player
tough break
tough break
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