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oh wow, thats a neat little tool there shoes...
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/headToHeadResults?statsId1=6624&statsId2=1025&type=QB
Romo beats Farve in virtually every category. What the hell is your point? You weren't trying to prove that Favre is better than Romo based off of statsalone, were you?
at ol' dude coming in here acting like he just shut shoes up whilehe's actually just proving his point for him.
Originally Posted by MrMundayNite
oh wow, thats a neat little tool there shoes...
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/headToHeadResults?statsId1=6624&statsId2=1025&type=QB
Originally Posted by MrMundayNite
oh wow, thats a neat little tool there shoes...
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/headToHeadResults?statsId1=6624&statsId2=1025&type=QB
Ben is a product of his system. PITs defense and their running game wins games for them. I have yet to see him throw his team to victory.
Hell he had to scramble to beat the Browns. He is unbelievably uncomfortable in the pocket
Completely inaccurate.. he has great pocket presence, and great elusiveness... those are probably the two best parts of his game. And a productof his system? That's the dumbest thing people still say about him... his first year he was protected by the system quite a bit, but many other guysbefore him couldn't do what he was doing "in the system".. Now he carries the team, whether you want to give him credit or not... 100+ qb ratingis excellent.
Peyton Manning doesn't have a strong arm???? Since when.....
He has a above average arm but it is not top notch as far as arm strength goes. His balls dont have the zip or the crispness of the top arms inthe NFL. Basically hes got a gun but like a .22He is VERY accuratethough even though alot of his balls arent spirals. When I watch him where this really shows is when he throws deep balls. He doesnt throw them very well justaverage.
Completely inaccurate.. he has great pocket presence, and great elusiveness... those are probably the two best parts of his game. And a product of his system? That's the dumbest thing people still say about him... his first year he was protected by the system quite a bit, but many other guys before him couldn't do what he was doing "in the system".. Now he carries the team, whether you want to give him credit or not... 100+ qb rating is excellent.
Craftsy, I agree with you he isnt necessarily a product of a system. But he has that stigma and people are going to be skeptical about what hissuccess would be in another situation. Moreso then the people he is compared to. Maybe because he isnt a prototype I dont know. But it is always gonna keep hima notch below.
point being that you cant say Romo is better than Favre... not even this year
You actin like Favre's stats are clearly more impressive thanRomo's...
and i dont see a receiver like TO on the packers, hes working with possession type receivers, his big play man is a 2nd year guy that started the season injured
I believe his point was that Favre has more yards, without an elite receiver and elite tight end.
Aren't yall are the same dudes that were talking about how Green Bay's weapons on offense were better than the Cowboys' in that game thread beforethe Thursday night game? I'll dig it up if I must, but you know you were...Now that you're trying to make a case that Favre is better than Romo, heconveniently is throwing up these stats with inferior weapons. If memory serves me correctly, you said Terrell > Driver, but not by much and Jennings,Jones, Martin, Robinson > Any other Dallas receiver. And that Donald Lee/Bubba Franks compared to Jason Witten was essentially a wash.Make up your mind, boys.
Well - considering he almost died twice in the span of several months, i think i'll give him a free pass there.. i am curious what your excuse for fumbling a snap like that is though? I mean, all ben did in his first year was lead his team to a 15-1 record, and then follow it up with a superbowl ring. But I mean, no pressure on romo or anything to keep up.
He is in the right system and was drafted into a team that already had pieces in place. Not saying that he isn't a great QB which I think he is but youcan't tell me the team Romo has had this season and last are better than what the Steelers had those two seasons.
Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk
point being that you cant say Romo is better than Favre... not even this year
and i dont see a receiver like TO on the packers, hes working with possession type receivers, his big play man is a 2nd year guy that started the season injured
I believe his point was that Favre has more yards, without an elite receiver and elite tight end.
Aren't yall are the same dudes that were talking about how Green Bay's weapons on offense were better than the Cowboys' in that game thread before the Thursday night game? I'll dig it up if I must, but you know you were...Now that you're trying to make a case that Favre is better than Romo, he conveniently is throwing up these stats with inferior weapons. If memory serves me correctly, you said Terrell > Driver, but not by much and Jennings, Jones, Martin, Robinson > Any other Dallas receiver. And that Donald Lee/Bubba Franks compared to Jason Witten was essentially a wash.Make up your mind, boys.
im not acting like favres stats are clearly better, im just saying that dudes like shoes shouldnt be sayingromo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> favre
and i have made up my mind, i do think that overall the packers WR's top to bottom are better than those of the Cowboys, and like i said, they are so inthat they lead the league in YAC and tend to be possession type recievers, whereas the boys recievers like Owens tend to find the endzone... ive seen manytimes this season that for whatever reason, owens has just run uncovered into the secondary and caught balls for TD's
and when i talk about WR's vs WR's, Witten is NOT included... his play certainly does assist the Dallas WR's though, theres no question about that
again, stop insinuating this or that about what im saying... ive never backed up on my words when on the subject and i try to not trash talk about the cowboysor boys fans on NT (although exeptions are made)
but i will say that favre is playing just as well if not better than romo, their offenses are very different, and i wouldnt "LOL." if someone were tosay the same about romo
Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk
point being that you cant say Romo is better than Favre... not even this year
and i dont see a receiver like TO on the packers, hes working with possession type receivers, his big play man is a 2nd year guy that started the season injured
I believe his point was that Favre has more yards, without an elite receiver and elite tight end.
Aren't yall are the same dudes that were talking about how Green Bay's weapons on offense were better than the Cowboys' in that game thread before the Thursday night game? I'll dig it up if I must, but you know you were...Now that you're trying to make a case that Favre is better than Romo, he conveniently is throwing up these stats with inferior weapons. If memory serves me correctly, you said Terrell > Driver, but not by much and Jennings, Jones, Martin, Robinson > Any other Dallas receiver. And that Donald Lee/Bubba Franks compared to Jason Witten was essentially a wash.Make up your mind, boys.
Checkmate. I never said Donald Lee was as good as Witten though, I simply said Lee was underrated. But there must be a reason Madden is@++@% for Favreright? The fact that he is slowly becoming "homo for Romo" (I'm copyrighting that before all you cowboy fans but that in your sig) shows how good Romo can be. My argument (which I actually didn't make, Itried to avoid this thread) is that you can't clearly say Romo is better than Favre. I think like Marley (at me quoting him) said, there are only 4 elite QB's in the league rightnow... maybe 5 but it's hard to say.
Marley your point abouts the attempts, well... Favre had to run the passing game like a running game until Grant became the starter so he was having 50 orso attempt games. The fact that Favre is still 0.1% below Romo in completion percentage with that many attempts is astounding. Teams knew the Pack couldn'trun for a long time, so Favre was basically passing against Quarter coverage schemes ALL the time (OK maybe not quarter). Romo has always had 2 very capable RB's behind him, but that's afight not worth fighting. Also blaming the knockout on Favre...Sure dude choked and tried to show that he can win in Dallas and ONLY looked deep, but if you want to start arguing who is more likely to be injured then SMHat you (word to 250 starts). Also he wasn't "knocked out".
p.s. Romo isn't the second best QB this year "easy". Cut the arrogance.
Originally Posted by DunkNForce
romo is only good because he has T.O. --- how many yards T.o. and romo average a game??? Tds?
romo is the next kurt warner if he doesnt have a elite reciever, believe it
Marley your point abouts the attempts, well... Favre had to run the passing game like a running game until Grant became the starter so he was having 50 or so attempt games. The fact that Favre is still 0.1% below Romo in completion percentage with that many attempts is astounding. Teams knew the Pack couldn't run for a long time, so Favre was basically passing against Quarter coverage schemes ALL the time (OK maybe not quarter ). Romo has always had 2 very capable RB's behind him, but that's a fight not worth fighting. Also blaming the knockout on Favre... Sure dude choked and tried to show that he can win in Dallas and ONLY looked deep, but if you want to start arguing who is more likely to be injured then SMH at you (word to 250 starts). Also he wasn't "knocked out".
p.s. Romo isn't the second best QB this year "easy". Cut the arrogance.
LOL ... come on dude ... look at what you just said ... because favre has his "average" completion percentage in 36 more attempts isASTOUNDING!? LOL ... And teams werent playing the cowboys to throw every play? Come on now, you know and I know aint nobody worried about Barber or Juliusrunning for over 100 unless we are up by 20 ... In fact, I think the only reason Barber and JJ and Grant for that matter are even having that good of a seasonis because people are playing nickel and dime against us every play especially with garret and his andy reid philosophy ... and when did i argue who is morelikely to be injured? All i said is dude got knocked out of the game and threw 2 picks before that going like 3-11 ... come on man head to head favre blew itplain and simple ... this is like arguing that illinois has a chance at the bcs cship because they beat ohio state ... get outta here man
LOL ... come on dude ... look at what you just said ... because favre has his "average" completion percentage in 36 more attempts is ASTOUNDING!? LOL ... And teams werent playing the cowboys to throw every play? Come on now, you know and I know aint nobody worried about Barber or Julius running for over 100 unless we are up by 20 ... In fact, I think the only reason Barber and JJ and Grant for that matter are even having that good of a season is because people are playing nickel and dime against us every play especially with garret and his andy reid philosophy ... and when did i argue who is more likely to be injured? All i said is dude got knocked out of the game and threw 2 picks before that going like 3-11 ... come on man head to head favre blew it plain and simple ... this is like arguing that illinois has a chance at the bcs cship because they beat ohio state ... get outta here manOriginally Posted by MarleysProtege
Marley your point abouts the attempts, well... Favre had to run the passing game like a running game until Grant became the starter so he was having 50 or so attempt games. The fact that Favre is still 0.1% below Romo in completion percentage with that many attempts is astounding. Teams knew the Pack couldn't run for a long time, so Favre was basically passing against Quarter coverage schemes ALL the time (OK maybe not quarter ). Romo has always had 2 very capable RB's behind him, but that's a fight not worth fighting. Also blaming the knockout on Favre... Sure dude choked and tried to show that he can win in Dallas and ONLY looked deep, but if you want to start arguing who is more likely to be injured then SMH at you (word to 250 starts). Also he wasn't "knocked out".
p.s. Romo isn't the second best QB this year "easy". Cut the arrogance.
Yeah, TO has provided QBs with some of their best years
Garcia
McNabb
now Romo.
I wont pass judgement til proven otherwise, but TO opens that offense up. Whether it is for Witten, Crayton, Hurd or Barber out the backfield, TO makes them go big time as he's been doing his whole career.
Best statement in this thread... Romo is real good but i do want to see how he does without TO. watch this team closely and you realize what hedoes for that offense. he demands two guys at all times.
anyways my order:
manning/brady...(seriously, i cant decide)
favre
romo
garrard
... And teams werent playing the cowboys to throw every play? Come on now, you know and I know aint nobody worried about Barber or Julius running for over 100 unless we are up by 20 .Originally Posted by MarleysProtege
Marley your point abouts the attempts, well... Favre had to run the passing game like a running game until Grant became the starter so he was having 50 or so attempt games. The fact that Favre is still 0.1% below Romo in completion percentage with that many attempts is astounding. Teams knew the Pack couldn't run for a long time, so Favre was basically passing against Quarter coverage schemes ALL the time (OK maybe not quarter ). Romo has always had 2 very capable RB's behind him, but that's a fight not worth fighting. Also blaming the knockout on Favre... Sure dude choked and tried to show that he can win in Dallas and ONLY looked deep, but if you want to start arguing who is more likely to be injured then SMH at you (word to 250 starts). Also he wasn't "knocked out".
p.s. Romo isn't the second best QB this year "easy". Cut the arrogance.