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I mean it's racism in Israel. The racist "fore fathers" of this country were real clear about their belief in white racism. Racist Europeans in power, racist Jews in power they believe in the same thing.
Stephon Clark, 22 Year Old Black Male Shot and Killed by Police in his Backyard Sunday
I mean it's racism in Israel. The racist "fore fathers" of this country were real clear about their belief in white racism. Racist Europeans in power, racist Jews in power they believe in the same thing.
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been seeing a lot of "jew" bashing going on nt as of late...
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People always seem to draw the line for disrespect at the Jews.
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I keep hearing this "officers are trained to shoot to kill when they shoot"
Man this can't be true.
There has to be training they receive to "disarm" or subdue using a weapon.
You can't tell me every time a Cop shoots EVER, that's he's TRAINED to kill with that shot.
I need proof of this because folks just keep saying this, and if it's not true.......that lie should stop.
Logically, it can't be true. Proof me please.
Man this can't be true.
There has to be training they receive to "disarm" or subdue using a weapon.
You can't tell me every time a Cop shoots EVER, that's he's TRAINED to kill with that shot.
I need proof of this because folks just keep saying this, and if it's not true.......that lie should stop.
Logically, it can't be true. Proof me please.
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How does one shoot to disarm?I keep hearing this "officers are trained to shoot to kill when they shoot"
Man this can't be true.
There has to be training they receive to "disarm" or subdue using a weapon.
You can't tell me every time a Cop shoots EVER, that's he's TRAINED to kill with that shot.
I need proof of this because folks just keep saying this, and if it's not true.......that lie should stop.
Logically, it can't be true. Proof me please.
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I keep hearing this "officers are trained to shoot to kill when they shoot"
Man this can't be true.
There has to be training they receive to "disarm" or subdue using a weapon.
You can't tell me every time a Cop shoots EVER, that's he's TRAINED to kill with that shot.
I need proof of this because folks just keep saying this, and if it's not true.......that lie should stop.
Logically, it can't be true. Proof me please.
It's because they're only supposed to draw their weapon as an absolute last resort with an intent to kill.
Problem is, these idiots have too much discretion to determine what constitutes a threat deemed necessary to carry out lethal force. And when they're wrong (which is far too often), they never face consequences.
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Ok disregard the disarm so we don't end up debating that when I'm trying to get an answer about shooting without killing.
Shooting to subdue has to be a possibility.
It can't be always shoot to kill, if you shoot.
Shooting to subdue has to be a possibility.
It can't be always shoot to kill, if you shoot.
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So how do you shoot so subdue? I just don't see how putting a hole in somebody could be for any intention except to kill
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If someone is running from you, you want to shoot to stop them not blow their head off just to stop them
Shoot to kill is not the rule of thumb I promise.
It may be what these cops are doing to Black youth, but no way they are trained to kill 100% of time the weapon is fired. No way.
Shoot to kill is not the rule of thumb I promise.
It may be what these cops are doing to Black youth, but no way they are trained to kill 100% of time the weapon is fired. No way.
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They're trained to hit the chest since it's the biggest target. I still don't know how you train somebody to put a hole in another person to just subdue them. They have other tools for that like a taser
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You can get killed taking a round in the leg, arm just as easy. There's arteries all over you damn body.
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Who represents the dead persons point of view?
We are fortunate to have technology nowadays.
They are trained to shoot to kill because to get to that point you had to fear for your life enough to justify lethal force. It's probably easier to argue in court shooting to kill vs shooting to disarm. Justice is blind and weighs in favor of preponderance of evidence. Not the actual truth. She can't see the truth. She can only feels which side weighs the most. It's really scary how fickle our legal system is.
We are fortunate to have technology nowadays.
They are trained to shoot to kill because to get to that point you had to fear for your life enough to justify lethal force. It's probably easier to argue in court shooting to kill vs shooting to disarm. Justice is blind and weighs in favor of preponderance of evidence. Not the actual truth. She can't see the truth. She can only feels which side weighs the most. It's really scary how fickle our legal system is.
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Remember the show cops, they would be chasing dudes for miles. Most of these cops now are fat slobs these days, they can't run 5 yards without going into cardiac arrest. Easier for them to just shoot you.
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Geniuses too. Reminds me of in movies where they destroy the ignition to hotwire the car only to find the keys in the visor.
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Man what does that have to do with anything......
I'm just asking where this "shoot to kill anytime you shoot, ever" has come from and if someone can provide me/us, with some proof that this is actually the case.
If not no biggie, just saying, doesn't seem like something that would be the case.
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The way you make your bed is the way you sleep in it. My mom used to say that in Creole to me my whole life growing up. it's essentially what you're arguing here and I can dig it.
But when it comes to bullets and lives, I think it's not that simple. there's a consequence to every choice you make in this life. if you choose to break the law you will face the consequences of said action. But where do you draw the line? Kids who fight in school should get dealt with internally, by having them talk it out, or detention. a suspension is extreme, but racial disparities aside, it may be warranted. But calling police on some kids engaging in fisticuffs is OD..and yet, we've seen many cases in recent years where schools just go that route..
well guess what, you do way more harm than good by putting a child in cuffs to resolve a situation that could've otherwise been dealt with by some strong-armed adults.
same with policing. TL/DR is excessive force. no need to put bullets into someone if they don't pose a threat. i get it, don't commit the cirme and put yourself in that situation. and i think thats 1000% fair, but still. eric garner broke up a fight but cops wanna choke him out for selling loosies?
also, 20 shots, 40 shots, etc...multiple clips is more than just defending yourself. cops who do that def have lowkey aggression, violent tendencies that lead them to think its ok to turn someone into swizz cheese under the pretense of defense.
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Exactly, and if you're chasing a guy that just stole a womans purse after punching her in the face, you might shoot that guy in the leg if you can't catch him..........but you aren't going to purposely blow his God Damn head off man
Right? I mean, right?........
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Man what does that have to do with anything......
I'm just asking where this "shoot to kill anytime you shoot, ever" has come from and if someone can provide me/us, with some proof that this is actually the case.
If not no biggie, just saying, doesn't seem like something that would be the case.
In law enforcement they use a "force continuum." Only use as much force as it takes to neutralize the threat.
That's never the case though.
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-trained-shoot-wound-experts/story?id=
A cop would likely not be justified if he shot a suspect in the leg over a robbery... especially if they're running away from the cop. It's not necessarily "shoot to kill" but more "shoot to stop".
You're trained to shoot center mass. It's the biggest target and gives you the best chance of hitting. Cops aren't looking to get a headshot off with a suspect 15-20 yards away, this isn't the movies. You're also not going to try to shoot an arm or a leg for a few reasons... mostly because shooting a suspect in the arm or leg would not give you the best chance of stopping or subduing them. If you're in fear of your life or the safety of others, shooting an armed suspect in the leg would not be wise when he would still be able to fire back.
And you're not going to try to shoot them in their shooting arm either.. again, this isn't the movies, that kind of stuff isn't realistic to expect a cop in the line of fire to be able to get an accurate shot to the arm (a far smaller target than the torso). Not to mention, if they're trying to shoot an arm or leg, it's far more likely they miss, compared to your target being their chest or torso.
A cop would likely not be justified if he shot a suspect in the leg over a robbery... especially if they're running away from the cop. It's not necessarily "shoot to kill" but more "shoot to stop".
You're trained to shoot center mass. It's the biggest target and gives you the best chance of hitting. Cops aren't looking to get a headshot off with a suspect 15-20 yards away, this isn't the movies. You're also not going to try to shoot an arm or a leg for a few reasons... mostly because shooting a suspect in the arm or leg would not give you the best chance of stopping or subduing them. If you're in fear of your life or the safety of others, shooting an armed suspect in the leg would not be wise when he would still be able to fire back.
And you're not going to try to shoot them in their shooting arm either.. again, this isn't the movies, that kind of stuff isn't realistic to expect a cop in the line of fire to be able to get an accurate shot to the arm (a far smaller target than the torso). Not to mention, if they're trying to shoot an arm or leg, it's far more likely they miss, compared to your target being their chest or torso.
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An Incomplete List of Things Black People Should Avoid Doing So They Won’t Be Killed by Police
On Sunday, March 18, police in Sacramento, Calif., fired 20 shots at Stephon Clark, killing him. Clark was unarmed and in his own backyard, leading many to ask what black people must do to escape the indiscriminate killing of black people.
A 2015 study by researchers at the University of California at Davis showed that there is no relationship between criminality and race in police killings. A study by the Center for Policing equity concluded (pdf) that police use more force against black suspects even when the data was adjusted for whether the person was a violent criminal.
To combat this deadly epidemic, we put together a handy guide to help black people end this trend that disproportionately affects black people. Here are the things you should avoid doing when police are around.
Running: Stephon Clark was unarmed, but he ran. We learned from the deaths of Walter Scott and Freddie Gray that running away from police is both a criminal offense and an act of aggression.
Walking: Amadou Diallo was simply walking to his apartment. When Dante Servin shot Rekia Boyd, she was not involved in any crime or altercation. She just happened to be walking by. Terence Crutcher was shot in the back when he was killed by Tulsa, Okla., Police Officer Betty Shelby.
All three victims were unarmed.
Driving: Officer Ray Tensing was recently awarded nearly $350,000 in the aftermath of Tensing fatally shooting Sam DuBose during a 2015 traffic stop. Sandra Bland was stopped for changing lanes without a signal and ended up dead. The Washington Post reports that federal statistics show that black drivers are more likely to be stopped by police than white drivers.
Turning Your Back to Police: Stephon Clark, Walter Scott, Dominique White and Aaron Bailey were all shot in the back, facing away from police officers.
Facing Police: When Darren Wilson shot and killed Michael Brown Jr., Wilson testified that Brown turned toward him after Brown had already been shot at least once. Philando Castile was facing Jeronimo Yanez when Yanez shot him. Apparently, police “fear for their lives” no matter in which direction you turn.
Not Complying With Police Orders: One of the biggest things you must learn is how to “stop resisting.” Do not try to breathe, like Eric Garner. Do not smoke a cigarette like Sandra Bland. Open the door when cops have their guns out, unike Korryn Gaines. Do not try to plead your case like Oscar Grant.
Complying With Police Orders: Christopher DiPashquale and Kirk Dodd pulled over 17-year-old Donta Dawson and told him to put his hands up. When he did, they shot him for “sudden movements.” South Carolina State Trooper Sean Groubert asked Levar Jones for his driver’s license. When Hones reached for it, Groubert shot him.
Carrying an Illegal Firearm: Alton Sterling shouldn’t have had a gun, even though it was tucked in his waistband. No witnesses even saw Anthony Lamar Smith’s weapon. Forensic scientists only found the DNA of St. Louis Police Officer Jason Shockley on the .38 revolver they said belonged to Smith. Before shooting Smith, Shockley was even recorded saying: “I’m going to kill this ************, don’t you know it!”
Shockley was found not guilty in Smith’s death.
Carrying a Legal Firearm: Philando Castile was carrying a legally registered firearm when Jeronimo Yanez shot him. He never pointed it at Yanez. He informed Yanez that he was carrying a gun. But still ...
I’m just giving you the rules.
Carrying a Fake Firearm: Like Tamir Rice, John Crawford was carrying a BB gun when Crawford was shot and killed in an Ohio Walmart. John Crawford’s killer said he felt an “imminent threat.” Timothy Loehmann, who shot and killed Tamir Rice said: “The threat to my partner and myself was real and active.”
Toy guns are strictly forbidden if you want to live.
Carrying No Firearm at All: The aforementioned rules also apply to perceived guns. Police say they mistook Stephon Clark’s iPhone for a gun, a common mistake. Rumain Brisbon was carrying a prescription bottle that police assumed was a firearm. Cops allegedly thought Amadou Diallo’s wallet was a gun.
Walking around empty-handed doesn’t matter. Baltimore police officers admitted that they kept toy guns to plant in case they shot a suspect.
Despite only making up 13 percent of the population, 35 percent of the unarmed people killed by police in 2017 were black.
Standing Up: Brendon Glenn was on the ground trying to stand up when he was shot in the back by Los Angeles Police Officer Clifford Proctor. Even the police chief said the shooting was unwarranted.
Lying Down: Natasha McKenna was handcuffed and immobilized when she was Tasered to death. When you are asleep, like 7-year-old Aiyana Jones was when Officer Joseph Weekley shot her dead, you are still a threat.
Being Too Big: Mike Brown Jr. was described as a “hulk,” even though he was the same height as Darren Wilson. Eric Garner was so big that Officer Daniel Pantaleo had to use an outlawed choke hold.
Being Too Small: Charleena Lyles was barely 100 pounds, which is why her body couldn’t ward off the bullets from Seattle cops when they killed her in her apartment. Natasha McKenna was 5 feet 3 inches tall and so thin that a restraint belt couldn’t hold her. So, even though she was handcuffed with her hands behind her back, shackled around the legs, a hobble strap connected to both restraints, and a spit mask placed over her face, Fairfax County police still had to use a Taser on her with 50,000 volts of electricity until she died.
Looking: Tommy Sanders, a Baltimore police officer, approached Lamont Hunt because Hunt was “staring at him.” Sanders said Hunt attacked him, but every witness in the trial said that Hunt did not assault him, but walked away. Sanders shot Hunt in the back of the head.
He was found not guilty.
Breathing: Eric Garner said, “I can’t breathe,” which Daniel Pantaleo translated as resisting arrest. Tashii Brown was already on the ground after Las Vegas cop Kenneth Lopera used a Taser on him and punched him repeatedly.
Not satisfied, Lopera put Brown in a choke hold until Brown stopped breathing.
Being Black: If all else fails, simply stop being black. I’ve never seen anyone do it, but it’s worth a try.
After all, it’s what they want anyway.
On Sunday, March 18, police in Sacramento, Calif., fired 20 shots at Stephon Clark, killing him. Clark was unarmed and in his own backyard, leading many to ask what black people must do to escape the indiscriminate killing of black people.
A 2015 study by researchers at the University of California at Davis showed that there is no relationship between criminality and race in police killings. A study by the Center for Policing equity concluded (pdf) that police use more force against black suspects even when the data was adjusted for whether the person was a violent criminal.
To combat this deadly epidemic, we put together a handy guide to help black people end this trend that disproportionately affects black people. Here are the things you should avoid doing when police are around.
Running: Stephon Clark was unarmed, but he ran. We learned from the deaths of Walter Scott and Freddie Gray that running away from police is both a criminal offense and an act of aggression.
Walking: Amadou Diallo was simply walking to his apartment. When Dante Servin shot Rekia Boyd, she was not involved in any crime or altercation. She just happened to be walking by. Terence Crutcher was shot in the back when he was killed by Tulsa, Okla., Police Officer Betty Shelby.
All three victims were unarmed.
Driving: Officer Ray Tensing was recently awarded nearly $350,000 in the aftermath of Tensing fatally shooting Sam DuBose during a 2015 traffic stop. Sandra Bland was stopped for changing lanes without a signal and ended up dead. The Washington Post reports that federal statistics show that black drivers are more likely to be stopped by police than white drivers.
Turning Your Back to Police: Stephon Clark, Walter Scott, Dominique White and Aaron Bailey were all shot in the back, facing away from police officers.
Facing Police: When Darren Wilson shot and killed Michael Brown Jr., Wilson testified that Brown turned toward him after Brown had already been shot at least once. Philando Castile was facing Jeronimo Yanez when Yanez shot him. Apparently, police “fear for their lives” no matter in which direction you turn.
Not Complying With Police Orders: One of the biggest things you must learn is how to “stop resisting.” Do not try to breathe, like Eric Garner. Do not smoke a cigarette like Sandra Bland. Open the door when cops have their guns out, unike Korryn Gaines. Do not try to plead your case like Oscar Grant.
Complying With Police Orders: Christopher DiPashquale and Kirk Dodd pulled over 17-year-old Donta Dawson and told him to put his hands up. When he did, they shot him for “sudden movements.” South Carolina State Trooper Sean Groubert asked Levar Jones for his driver’s license. When Hones reached for it, Groubert shot him.
Carrying an Illegal Firearm: Alton Sterling shouldn’t have had a gun, even though it was tucked in his waistband. No witnesses even saw Anthony Lamar Smith’s weapon. Forensic scientists only found the DNA of St. Louis Police Officer Jason Shockley on the .38 revolver they said belonged to Smith. Before shooting Smith, Shockley was even recorded saying: “I’m going to kill this ************, don’t you know it!”
Shockley was found not guilty in Smith’s death.
Carrying a Legal Firearm: Philando Castile was carrying a legally registered firearm when Jeronimo Yanez shot him. He never pointed it at Yanez. He informed Yanez that he was carrying a gun. But still ...
I’m just giving you the rules.
Carrying a Fake Firearm: Like Tamir Rice, John Crawford was carrying a BB gun when Crawford was shot and killed in an Ohio Walmart. John Crawford’s killer said he felt an “imminent threat.” Timothy Loehmann, who shot and killed Tamir Rice said: “The threat to my partner and myself was real and active.”
Toy guns are strictly forbidden if you want to live.
Carrying No Firearm at All: The aforementioned rules also apply to perceived guns. Police say they mistook Stephon Clark’s iPhone for a gun, a common mistake. Rumain Brisbon was carrying a prescription bottle that police assumed was a firearm. Cops allegedly thought Amadou Diallo’s wallet was a gun.
Walking around empty-handed doesn’t matter. Baltimore police officers admitted that they kept toy guns to plant in case they shot a suspect.
Despite only making up 13 percent of the population, 35 percent of the unarmed people killed by police in 2017 were black.
Standing Up: Brendon Glenn was on the ground trying to stand up when he was shot in the back by Los Angeles Police Officer Clifford Proctor. Even the police chief said the shooting was unwarranted.
Lying Down: Natasha McKenna was handcuffed and immobilized when she was Tasered to death. When you are asleep, like 7-year-old Aiyana Jones was when Officer Joseph Weekley shot her dead, you are still a threat.
Being Too Big: Mike Brown Jr. was described as a “hulk,” even though he was the same height as Darren Wilson. Eric Garner was so big that Officer Daniel Pantaleo had to use an outlawed choke hold.
Being Too Small: Charleena Lyles was barely 100 pounds, which is why her body couldn’t ward off the bullets from Seattle cops when they killed her in her apartment. Natasha McKenna was 5 feet 3 inches tall and so thin that a restraint belt couldn’t hold her. So, even though she was handcuffed with her hands behind her back, shackled around the legs, a hobble strap connected to both restraints, and a spit mask placed over her face, Fairfax County police still had to use a Taser on her with 50,000 volts of electricity until she died.
Looking: Tommy Sanders, a Baltimore police officer, approached Lamont Hunt because Hunt was “staring at him.” Sanders said Hunt attacked him, but every witness in the trial said that Hunt did not assault him, but walked away. Sanders shot Hunt in the back of the head.
He was found not guilty.
Breathing: Eric Garner said, “I can’t breathe,” which Daniel Pantaleo translated as resisting arrest. Tashii Brown was already on the ground after Las Vegas cop Kenneth Lopera used a Taser on him and punched him repeatedly.
Not satisfied, Lopera put Brown in a choke hold until Brown stopped breathing.
Being Black: If all else fails, simply stop being black. I’ve never seen anyone do it, but it’s worth a try.
After all, it’s what they want anyway.
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whole incident is terrible, we aint safe anywhere
helicopter literally had a front center view
Media saying one of the cops is black smh like it matters
biggest gang in american is 5 o
helicopter literally had a front center view
Media saying one of the cops is black smh like it matters
biggest gang in american is 5 o
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It's not even a gang anymore it's a untrained armored militia
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