Star Wars Universe Thread: May The 4th Be With You

[CP1708]

It is funny how the prequel haters just can't let it go.

Go above and beyond coming at George.

Episode X: Return of the Prequel Hate

Said it before Lucas should've done one more movie before retirement set decades after the OT that has nothing to with Skywalker's or Solo's and make it Episode X just so the guys at Lucasfilm couldn't ignore it. After this trilogy they'd be forced to star with ep XI and try to connect with what he did.

Shouldn't have let the prequels be the last SW movies he made.

Look at you.

Bruh, you're the one that jumps at the chance to go in on the prequels and George at the drop of a dime

Look at you. At this point I think you're being trolled and are not aware.

It's time to let it go CP, all the curse words, vitriol and disrespect towards George aren't going to make the PT disappear.

Now that I think about it, this is almost mirroring the SW story. You steady letting that hate flow through you. Aint learn a damn thing form Yoda or Obi-Wan

it would be such a george lucas thing to do to create a episode 10 that just consists of two people sitting in a room talking about the worst possible plotpoints post episode 6 just to ruin everything 

And the thing is you know the movie would've still did huge #s

It's Lame, dude. He ain't trolling. You know he really believes his ****.

 

[jays25]

My man really has no issue that the Galactic Republic can't overwhelm a blockade, but a little boy can roll up and out and he sees no issue with it.

The Galactic Republic didn't get involved. The issue isn't that they couldn't have done it. They simply didn't even try for purely political reasons. Watch the film again man. That's the entire purpose of Palpatine becoming Chancellor. The Battle of Naboo then takes place before he can even make a move to have troops sent back, because Amidala doesn't want to wait any longer. Hence only Naboo soldiers are there.

 

[Master Zik]

So basically it's not that he didn't show you, it's the fact that you didn't like what he showed you, which is something else entirely.

That's what it always boils down to.

I don't think the PT was good but this incessant whining about what it didn't do that it was suppose to really just looks like complaining that George didn't make the movie you wanted.

Steady citing **** that was said about the past in the OT like all of that is what the PT was suppose to be about.

For the most part what I get from these posts is these dudes wanted an older Anakin from the jump, less or close to no relationship shown with Padme, him in a star ship murking an entire fleet by himself, and by AOTC Anakin should've killed his first Jedi where by ROTS he would have taken down the entire Jedi council one on one or hell 10 against 1, save Yoda and Obi-Wan. The majority of the last 2 movies should've just been the clone wars and showing Anakin murdering all the Jedi. Most importantly anything said in the OT about past events must've been shown in the PT no matter what.


FTR, when I re-watched TPM, that scene of child Anakin flying that ship out of the hangar was so horrible. George engaged in to full on child fan service. I never seen anything so wild and insane. 8 yr old enters battle? George wasn't worried about who was shooting first there.

It's Lame, dude. He ain't trolling. You know he really believes his ****.

I feel like one day he's gonna admit it's all an act Account and all.

I mean he said nobody has said why they don't like the prequels, one day it's Jar Jar the next it's something else

I don't agree with all of your complaints but to me that's obvious bait.

 

[sea manup]

Forgot about the fact that Anakin crash landed half of a gigantic flaming ship on a city planet

What do these dudes want famb

watch the scene again

flying ship in the air

cut to actor emotionless doing generic piloting motions

cut to ship in the air

cut to actor emotionless looking at a cgi screen

cut to ship landing

yes, it is an event that happens in the movie. the director didnt even try making it exciting or give the characters anything to do to SHOW his abilities as a pilot.

compare what george tells hayden to do in that scene to this



see how han solo is reacting to what is happening outside the ship, and doing things to help the situation?

this is how you SHOW that someone is a good pilot.

 

[KingdomFlatbush]

I thought 1 was corny but okayish, II was whack, and III was dope, but in this thread it's boiling down to the actual movies not stacking up to people's fanfiction expectations

 

[jays25]

So basically it's not that he didn't show you, it's the fact that you didn't like what he showed you, which is something else entirely.

That's what it always boils down to.

I don't think the PT was good but this incessant whining about what it didn't do that it was suppose to really just looks like complaining that George didn't make the movie you wanted.

Steady citing **** that was said about the past in the OT like all of that is what the PT was suppose to be about.

For the most part what I get from these posts is these dudes wanted an older Anakin from the jump, less or close to no relationship shown with Padme, him in a star ship murking an entire fleet by himself, and by AOTC Anakin should've killed his first Jedi where by ROTS he would have taken down the entire Jedi council one on one or hell 10 against 1, save Yoda and Obi-Wan. The majority of the last 2 movies should've just been the clone wars and showing Anakin murdering all the Jedi. Most importantly anything said in the OT about past events must've been shown in the PT no matter what.

Pretty much

I thought 1 was corny but okayish, II was whack, and III was dope, but in this thread it's boiling down to the actual movies not stacking up to people's fanfiction expectations

I honestly think that 3's one of the best films in the series. Was great from start to finish.

 

[sea manup]

 

So basically it's not that he didn't show you, it's the fact that you didn't like what he showed you, which is something else entirely.

That's what it always boils down to.

I don't think the PT was good but this incessant whining about what it didn't do that it was suppose to really just looks like complaining that George didn't make the movie you wanted.

Steady citing **** that was said about the past in the OT like all of that is what the PT was suppose to be about.

For the most part what I get from these posts is these dudes wanted an older Anakin from the jump, less or close to no relationship shown with Padme, him in a star ship murking an entire fleet by himself, and by AOTC Anakin should've killed his first Jedi where by ROTS he would have taken down the entire Jedi council one on one or hell 10 against 1, save Yoda and Obi-Wan. The majority of the last 2 movies should've just been the clone wars and showing Anakin murdering all the Jedi. Most importantly anything said in the OT about past events must've been shown in the PT no matter what.

the story is not even the main problem though

its just the fundamentals of making a good movie

you have to have characters that are likeable

action that is exciting

a plot that has purpose 

look at the post above, that flying scene with han solo moving around hustling to survive and his interactions with the crew is FAR more exciting than any space fight in the prequels. the story can be the exact same, but it takes a good director and actors to make the scene interesting and exciting.

the prequels are terrible because they are too much tell not enough show. but a good director and actors can make talking about action exciting, see hateful eight. 

with a good director, screen writer and actors this EXACT same story could have been great. George Lucas is just not a good director or screenwriter 

 

[earldagoat]

 

[sea manup]

compare the interactions between anakin and obiwan in the opening of sith to poe and finn at the opening of FA

how much more fun and exciting would the prequels have been if the characters actually had emotion and got excited? 

 

[Mark Antony]

The corridors from Rey's vision..

Yes the hallways from cloud city that I mentioned earlier. The first thing that is shown when Rey gets her vision from the Skywalker lightsaber. You also hear Darth Vader breathing and Luke scream "Noooo" from when Vader told him he was Luke's father. Don't know why a Stranger or a kenobi would hear and see that

Puffing your chest out about the prequel "canon" doesn't make it good. Makes you a sheep. Baaaaaaaah

Weird, I thought most people didn't like the prequels. Being that I'm one of the very few that likes them, I thought that would make me anti-sheep.

I honestly don't understand the prequel hate. No one can ever give me a definite answer either. One week it's Jar-Jar, next its Hayden's acting, next its "why did anakin turn to the darkside so fast"

The real reason people don't like the prequels is because everyone knew how it would end. People wanted to desperately believe that there would be a movie showing Darth Vader in his suit doing heroic **** I love angsty Anakin.

no, they were bad movies. There are a quadrillion reasons why, you're just not paying attention. Knowing how it ended and the story is probably the one thing I don't dislike, it had potential. They were just bad movies man. Being damn near 100% cgi and inorganic didn't help.

 

[SC kid]

The space telanovela was pure unadulterated feces

Padme died of a broken heart??!! REALLY

Did lucas actually write down "NOOOOOOOOO" In the script....if so **** him.

THATS HOW DARTH MAUL DIES???????

all that cgi is worthless...green screen too.

Looking back on it now im amazed somone of lucas caliber could drop 3 mediocre films IN A ROW.

and i get that some people like them....i get that

But cmon man.

For what they were made to accomplish....the story they were made to tell....it was a horrible disaster failure trainwreck forgettable jumble****

 

[CP1708]

So basically it's not that he didn't show you, it's the fact that you didn't like what he showed you, which is something else entirely.

That's what it always boils down to.

I don't think the PT was good but this incessant whining about what it didn't do that it was suppose to really just looks like complaining that George didn't make the movie you wanted.

Steady citing **** that was said about the past in the OT like all of that is what the PT was suppose to be about.

For the most part what I get from these posts is these dudes wanted an older Anakin from the jump, less or close to no relationship shown with Padme, him in a star ship murking an entire fleet by himself, and by AOTC Anakin should've killed his first Jedi where by ROTS he would have taken down the entire Jedi council one on one or hell 10 against 1, save Yoda and Obi-Wan. The majority of the last 2 movies should've just been the clone wars and showing Anakin murdering all the Jedi. Most importantly anything said in the OT about past events must've been shown in the PT no matter what.


FTR, when I re-watched TPM, that scene of child Anakin flying that ship out of the hangar was so horrible. George engaged in to full on child fan service. I never seen anything so wild and insane. 8 yr old enters battle? George wasn't worried about who was shooting first there.

It's Lame, dude. He ain't trolling. You know he really believes his ****.

I feel like one day he's gonna admit it's all an act Account and all.

I mean he said nobody has said why they don't like the prequels, one day it's Jar Jar the next it's something else

I don't agree with all of your complaints but to me that's obvious bait.

Yeah, that’s just your view of people picking out all the crap that was made.

You said it yourself, you don’t think the PT is good, yet you stand your ground and defend it every time. Funny how that works. Defending movies you don’t even think are good. How noble of you.

We pick at the prequels because they are garbage, period. Why, how, or where don’t even matter, they are terribly made films, with huge plot holes, terrible script writing, terrible acting, CGI garbage, and focus on absolute crap rather than real substance.

The absolute best parts of the entire trilogy are hardly even there at all. Maul. Jango. Vader. The final fight. 3 entire films, to have a few total minutes of worthwhile, good, interesting material. Everything else was garbage.


But hey, defend that Zik. Wear that cape proudly brother. Defending terrible movies you don’t even think are good.

 

[Master Zik]

 

So basically it's not that he didn't show you, it's the fact that you didn't like what he showed you, which is something else entirely.

That's what it always boils down to.


I don't think the PT was good but this incessant whining about what it didn't do that it was suppose to really just looks like complaining that George didn't make the movie you wanted.


Steady citing **** that was said about the past in the OT like all of that is what the PT was suppose to be about.


For the most part what I get from these posts is these dudes wanted an older Anakin from the jump, less or close to no relationship shown with Padme, him in a star ship murking an entire fleet by himself, and by AOTC Anakin should've killed his first Jedi where by ROTS he would have taken down the entire Jedi council one on one or hell 10 against 1, save Yoda and Obi-Wan. The majority of the last 2 movies should've just been the clone wars and showing Anakin murdering all the Jedi. Most importantly anything said in the OT about past events must've been shown in the PT no matter what.

the story is not even the main problem though

its just the fundamentals of making a good movie

you have to have characters that are likeable

action that is exciting

a plot that has purpose 


look at the post above, that flying scene with han solo moving around hustling to survive and his interactions with the crew is FAR more exciting than any space fight in the prequels. the story can be the exact same, but it takes a good director and actors to make the scene interesting and exciting.

the prequels are terrible because they are too much tell not enough show. but a good director and actors can make talking about action exciting, see hateful eight. 


with a good director, screen writer and actors this EXACT same story could have been great. George Lucas is just not a good director or screenwriter 

I don't agree with your earlier assertion that the prequels was cgi first with a store to support it. George went wild with it but I think what it really comes down to is the story he was telling wasn't good.

It's about Anakin's turn to the dark side not his first few missions after already turning to the dark side. I don't think Anakin was suppose to be likable. You were just suppose to understand why he switched sides. He was too old when he joined to be conditioned, he was too powerful, and he pretty much indulged in everything that leads to the dark side mentioned by Yoda in ESB. The knocks against this being executed and portrayed in the best way is the writing was not up to par and Hayden was not a good enough actor but even with poor writing and his bad acting you can clearly see in in AOTC and ROTS the jealousy, hatred, fear, doubt, etc in Anakin that made him Palpatine's pawn.

To me the PT had characters I liked, Qui-Gon and most definitely Obi-Wan. Son was ever present from ep II on.

As far as action, well I never found the pew pew blaster shootouts and space ship fights exciting but there sure as hell was a lot of that in this. Give me the light saber fights we saw when Maul and Dooku fights. Either way I don't think what was written for the actions scenes weren't exciting just that they weren't' directed well and in a movie that's 99% cgi it probably is harder to direct actors on an all green set and then you find yourself compromising and settling in the editing room. So that's a definite knock on the PT from making a good movie stand point.

The purpose of the entire of the PT was to show Anakin's turn to the dark side, TPM was Palpatine manipulating both sides and putting them in to place, AOTC was Palpatine advancing his plot to become emperor with the reveal of the clone army ordered by some Jedi and Anakin and Padme falling in love, ROTS was the turn and end of the Jedi. The plots all have purpose and are sound. They just weren't executed well.

I agree that George isn't really that good of a director when using all of these toys. It's why he doesn't have a lot of movies he's directed. Writing wise though, it's not like he wrote all these movies by himself. He usually has somebody come in and help with some things or collaborate. Now he mostly did ep I and III on his own but it was after a lot of decision making, reacting to fan reactions, and massive changes to the story. ROTS came out really good. He stunk it up earlier so much that most overlook that especially since a trilogy's best movie ends up being the 3rd one.

Anyway though, George Lucas is more of a storyteller/creator/idea guy. I'm pretty sure if it was up to him Speilberg or some other friend would direct most of his movies. Nobody's really ever called him the best director or writer. So yeah maybe his biggest fault was not getting somebody to come in and direct the PT for him at the least.

 

[SC kid]

If you gave me a one page summary of each of the prequel films, I would read them and be like "yeah, that sounds like it'll be a fantastic set of movies". They weren't good movies at all, but theidea behind them was incredible. A story about the fall of someone who was supposed to be a saviour, and who started out so innocent, set in front of a backdrop of thrilling political drama involving a corrupt senate secretly being manipulated by a dark Lord.

 

[Master Zik]

Yeah, that’s just your view of people picking out all the crap that was made.

Yeah every time I see you and a few others repeat your spiel it's the same stuff. It seems awfully petty.

You said it yourself, you don’t think the PT is good, yet you stand your ground and defend it every time.

Well that's simple. Don't confuse me disliking the PT with me agreeing with you on why you HATE the PT

I don't hate it. Most of the movies weren't good. I let that brush off my shoulder. It did not affect me emotionally. I wasn't enraged with Lucas. I don't need to go off every time it's brought up. I don't even dislike it THAT much.

It's the type of trilogy where I can forget it and not talk about it but you can't. We just find in ourselves in a situation where there's new SW movies being made, you continue your hate filled tirades for the PT while all I did was refresh my memory by re-watching all 6 movies before I saw TFA.

The entire thread has switched to talk about the PT, funny how that happens eh? Makes me wonder how good TFA actually is based off yall claims.I mean I'd personally like to keep discussing what I liked about it but I guess everybody would rather argue among the garbage than something else:

But hey, defend that Zik.  Wear that cape proudly brother.  Defending terrible movies you don’t even think are good.  

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We pick at the prequels because they are garbage, period.

Like I said petty

 

[clarkkent415]

at CP's comment about blockades in space! I was literally thinking the same thing.

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Btw Grandma Skywalker>>>>>>>>>>>>Rey.

 

[sea manup]

i agree 100% that space fights in any movie dont excite me that much

which is why it has to be about the characters and directing

that astroid chase is exciting to me, purely because every time they cut to the crew inside the MF a lot of things are happening and the characters are all scrambling to survive.

the opening of FA is exciting, i dont care at all about what they are shooting at or what's blowing up but its the interaction and charisma between finn and poe that make the scene exciting.

the prequels are bad movies because they dont understand that its the characters that make things exciting, so we get a bunch of cgi spaceships flying around blowing up things we dont care about. 

in terms of the story, when we see adult anakin in ep 2 he's already an angry, jealous person. We never get a sense of how he turns dark because even when he's a good guy all he does is complain about everything that happens in his life. He even somehow gets to smash after crying about not liking sand. 

its an unfair comparison but take Vito in the godfather, thoughout the movie we see the character slowly become more ruthless as he turns from a "regular" person to a ruthless mob boss. It's a great character because there is such contrast between who he was at the start of the movie and who he is at the end.

with anakin, the difference between the start of clones and the end of sith is pretty much just his jealous, angry personality amplified, its not a satisfying story arc to watch. 

 

[Mark Antony]

Is the new posts popup an option you can enable in settings, or is a ***** gonna have to just refresh like it's 2012?

 

[CP1708]

I'm a huge fan of the franchise, you aren't. That confuses you why I would have a stronger opinion that you? You don't grasp why a fan of 25+ years would have anger vs someone who just casually watched them all, really?


For your post to SM, Anakin was too old, at 8? But Luke at 18 wasn't? You don't see the stupidity of those claims?

 

[noblekane]

aww man five new pages of fighting?


thought we had some new spoilers for episode 8 or something

 

[nomnom]

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[robinvandamn]

It's no exaggeration in the least that Rey is tearing up when she sees Luke

Yes it is. I saw the finale scene 3 times now.

But if you want to read in to something that wasn't there, okay. She was balling like a baby trembling with the light saber in her hand.

this is the face of someone who's about to cry

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the intended effect of this scene is the overwhelming emotion between the two

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[jays25]

Well moving on from the prequel hate

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Any other EU fans in here or is it just me?

 

[sea manup]

green lightsabers are the coolest 

 

[CP1708]

What's the EU?