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Lucasfilm Gets New Head Of Production & Development, Has Several TV Projects In The Pipeline [/Size=5]

Former Walt Disney Studios executive Tony To has joined Lucasfilm as head of production and development.

He reports to Kathleen Kennedy, president of Lucasfilm.

“This is such an exciting and creative time at Lucasfilm and I’m overjoyed to have Tony on board,” Kennedy said in announcing To’s hire. “He has unmatched production expertise and a tremendous passion for storytelling. He is a wonderful addition to the fantastic creative team we have in place to develop new content.”

To most recently was executive VP of production at Walt Disney Studios, a post he’s had for the past three years, where he was responsible for physical production of all of the Mouse House’s live action titles, including most recent release “Maleficent.” He also has worked in TV, having produced Tom Hanks’ 1998 miniseries “From the Earth to the Moon” for HBO and Imagine Entertainment, and was co-executive producer alongside Hanks and Steven Spielberg on the network’s 10-part World War II epic “Band of Brothers” and “The Pacific.”

To will now oversee all live-action and animation production as Lucasfilm has six new films and several TV projects in various stages of development on its slate. J.J. Abrams is currently directing “Star Wars: Episode VII,” while the “Star Wars Rebels” series will soon air on Disney XD.

The company recently tapped “Godzilla’s” Gareth Edwards and “Chronicle’s” Josh Trank to direct two new standalone films set in the “Star Wars” universe.

In addition to working with Lucasfilm’s production department, run by Jason McGatlin and the creative development team, overseen by Kiri Hart, To also will oversee visual effects studio Industrial Light & Magic, led by Lynwen Brennan and John Knoll, Skywalker Sound, run by Josh Lowden, and Disney’s recently announced co-development program with Shanghai Media Group Pictures to develop Disney-branded movies for China and other markets.

“Lucasfilm has an amazing legacy and an equally amazing future,” To said in a statement. “It is an honor to be a part of such an accomplished and talented team while continuing to work with my esteemed Disney friends and colleagues.”


Several TV shows in development :smokin :smokin :smokin

I swear this last year and a half has been awesome. Disney is becoming my favorite company :Nthat
 
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Mark Hamill just confirmed that his beard is for Episode VII :smokin

He also acted out a short conversation between Luke Skywalker and the Joker :lol Really hope someone got video of that

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Still waiting on the live action TV show set between Stars Wars Episode III and IV that was supposed to be released in 2007-2008 LOL

Watching the Jedi Purge, formation of the Rebel Alliance, and the beginning of the Empire on television would be so dope
 
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Harrison Ford injured his ankle on the door of the Millennium Falcon, is going to the hospital

I hope his old *** holds up :lol
 
Man hope he's ok.

But the thought that just a few hours ago new scenes of Han Solo in the Millennium Falcon were being shot :eek :eek :eek
 
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Purely speculative article, but quite a few good points are made. Good read for EU fans.


Will "Mara Jade" be in Star Wars: Episode 7?[/SIZE=5]
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In 1991 Timothy Zahn published "Heir to the Empire" the first Star Wars work to further the adventures of Luke, Han, and Leia in the era after Episode VI. It was met with enthusiasm and excitement and quickly became a fan favorite, and New York Times Best Seller, not only for renewing interest in our galaxy far, far away but for introducing the fanbase to a new character named "Mara Jade." So will Mara make her big screen debut in Episode VII? Jump aboard to find out . . .


Back on April 25th, 2014 StarWars.com released an Official Announcement about Star Wars canon moving forward:


In order to give maximum creative freedom to the filmmakers and also preserve an element of surprise and discovery for the audience, Star Wars Episodes VII-IX will NOT tell the same story told in the post-Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe. (Emphasis mine.)

With this one release, what everyone suspected became officially official -- the Expanded Universe will be over-written. A collective gasp rang out as many die-hard EU fans "felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced." Yes, the EU as we knew it has died. This article is not the place to debate the pros or cons of such a decision as that war rages-on across the internets as I type. I will say this -- Chewbacca LIVES!!! And for that I am most thankful!


So we know Chewie lives, but what about some of the other fan favorites that have emerged from the EU? What about "Jacen" and "Jaina Solo?" What about their little brother "Anakin?" What about "Ben Skywalker?" Or "Grand Admiral Thrawn?" What will become of Mara Jade? And therein lies the crux of this article -- Will Mara Jade be in Star Wars: Episode VII?


Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it, as the saying goes. Thus, before we look ahead let us look back at some Star Wars history to see if it sheds light on our present and future . . .


A long time ago in a galaxy not so far away a young filmmaker named George Lucas made a little film called THX-1138. Oh, wait, wrong film. He, obviously, made Star Wars. Perhaps you heard of it? Anyway, Star Wars started out as one film, but George had so much material that he eventually broke it into 3 films. Many websites chronicle the history of this, but none are more thorough than The Secret History of Star Wars:


Prevue: How many pages, do you recall?


Lucas: A little over 200 pages. It was like a worm. I cut it in half and both halves got to be as long as the original.


Prevue: That's about twice as long as most ordinary screenplays.


Lucas: Yes it is. Most screenplays run about 100 or 110 pages. That was my second screenplay. I decided it was too long. It covered too much material, and what was in the script wasn't really filled out enough. It was too episodic and too fragmented. So I took the screenplay and divided it into three stories, and rewrote the first one.


As Star Wars became insanely successful George began talking about as many as twelve films!


There is an element of some mystery surrounding the fourth "trilogy" that was once attached to the Star Wars. Lucas today denies that he had any plans or story for the third trilogy (Episodes VII-IX), which isn't the case, but we can do one better: what was the story for Episodes X, XI, and XII?


Am I crazy? If you've read Secret History of Star Wars you will know what I am referring to--in early 1978, it was announced in Time that there were twelve Star Wars films in the franchise. This isn't a typo; Lucasfilm referenced them frequently in publications such as Bantha Tracks from 1978 to 1980, and Lucas himself even addresses them in the May 1980 issue, stating he had limited the series to nine films instead.


The twelve episode saga was backed-up by Dale Pollock who, while researching Lucas for his biography, was shown the outlines for the infamous twelve episodes.


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This is what Pollock had to say about the outlines:


“It was originally a 12-part saga,” Pollock told TheWrap. “The three most exciting stories were 7, 8 and 9. They had propulsive action, really interesting new worlds, new characters. I remember thinking, ‘I want to see these 3 movies.’”


And, all things being equal, Pollock and the rest of the world will see those films! Whether or not there will be nine or twelve is a matter for another time and perhaps article. For now, we want to know -- What did George intend for Episodes VII, VIII & IX, after all the scripts are based on his treatments?


In 1983 George described the thematic structure of the Sequel Trilogy like this:


"The sequel focuses mainly on Luke, and Lucas says Mark Hamill will have first crack at the part if he is old enough. "If the first trilogy is social and political and talks about how society evolves," Lucas says, "Star Wars is more about personal growth and self-realisation, and the third deal with moral and philosophical problems. In Star Wars, there is a very clear line drawn between good and evil. Eventually you have to face the fact that good and evil aren't that clear-cut and the real issue is trying to understand the difference. The sequel is about Jedi knighthood, justice, confrontation, and passing on what you have learned." [Denise Worrell, Icons:Intimate Portraits p. 186]


In Starlog magazine, Issue 127, February 1988, George is interviewed and asked the following question:

Starlog: Why didn't you give Luke a girl?


Lucas: You haven't seen the last three yet.


Clearly this is a reference to his intention to give Luke Skywalker a female companion. I say "companion" because even George wasn't sure anyone would be "married" in Star Wars. Again, from Worrell's Icons:


"In the sequel Luke would be a sixty-year-old Jedi knight. Han Solo and Leia would be together, although Lucas says,


"They might be married, or not. We have never actually discussed marriage in this galaxy. I don't even know if it exists yet. Who knows what relationship they will have? I mean, they're together, let's put it that way."


In the same issue of Starlog we read:
Luke would have a romantic relationship with a female love interest. Bill Warren. "George Lucas: Father of the Force". Starlog #127, February 1988.


We know from the Prequels that Jedi were forbidden from love and marriage and kids. But we all saw how that turned out for the "fighting monks." And of course Luke is pretty much free to re-build the Jedi Order in his image, begging many questions like: Can Jedi be married (if such a thing exists)? Can they have children? How many Padawans can they train? When does training begin? And so on and so forth.


Let us focus on the concept of marriage here for a second. When George gave that interview to Starlog magazine he was still pretty fresh off his devastating divorce in 1983. It is understandable that he would be pretty ambivalent at best and bitter at worst toward the institution of marriage, not even to mention the fact that it's mired in Earthly traditions that Lucas' humans probably don't adhere to. At the time, his hero, his avatar, Luke Skywalker perhaps never found love in his mind. But now George is happily married, one would presume, and it seems logical that Luke, too, could find love. We all know that as Jedi Master his "passing on what he has learned" has nothing to do with familial ties and everything to do with those potential Jedi strong in the Force, but wouldn't it make sense for Luke to pro-create as a way to re-build the Jedi Order and pass on what he has learned? So does Luke Skywalker have a mate?


In answer to that question I'll simply present some facts and RUMORS, and let you decide.


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The first, and perhaps most telling piece of evidence is an article that Viral Hide posted back on April 11th, 2014 -- Karen Gillan cut her RED HAIR for Guardians of the Galaxy and this is what she had to say about it:


Interviewer: Was it just very liberating to shave your head, or did you have any moments of tears while they were doing it?

Gillan: No, I was laughing hysterically. It really hit me when I woke up the next morning. That’s when I was like, “Oh, my god, where’s my hair?!” But also, everyone kept me in good spirit. Everyone was laughing and telling jokes. Marvel are the best company to work for, they really are. They treat you really well. They made my hair into the most incredible well-made wig and they gave it to the Star Wars people. It’s just so funny to think that my hair is made into a wig, next to all these Star Wars monster heads in a warehouse. I thought that was really funny.

I posted this bit in the Darth Plagueis article, but it also applies here as well since the entertainment industry is all about synergy:

"Hasbro has been directed by Lucasfilm, Ltd. to avoid the Expanded Universe like the plague. Not only is it next to impossible that we'll see a brand new Expanded Universe figure in the near future, older and hard to find figures will NEVER see re-release either.

Hasbro said, and I quote, to "not expect to ever see Jaina Solo or Jacen Solo or any other older Comic Packs figure re-released in any way to get out to collectors."

However, the one figure from the EU -- Plagueis is CANON -- that was released as part of the current "Black Series" is Mara Jade as seen here:

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According to a source, who may or may not be legit, this was done because she WILL be in Episode VII and all other EU figures were pulled because of two reasons -- they're either obsolete as the EU is over-written or they will be incorporated into the saga and Disney attempts to keep it a surprise. It seems to us, quite obvious, that if they continue to authorize the release of certain figures then it is because Disney/LFL intends them to become canon. However, note that the figure released is a young version of Jade, the reason for which will become apparent later.



A while ago there were some rumblings that Disney could incorporate characters from the EU as "templates," for lack of a better description, but give them different names. We've also received contradictory tips that some of the EU characters that Disney incorporates WILL KEEP their names. This is welcome news as several of the important EU characters like Mara Jade, the Solo twins and Ben Skywalker are endeared favourites. While I agree that changing a lot of EU characters will be necessary if only to divorce the movies from the EU and not have to stick to the characters that were created therein, in the case of Mara Jade it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense that they would keep her red hair for instance. Why not change it? It also doesn't make sense to make a figure for her if you're going to change her name. In my opinion I think Mara Jade will be one of the only EU characters Disney keeps as an almost perfect 1 to 1 translation. In this case Mara has too much history and too many devoted fans for them to just change-her-up for the sake of changing-her-up. By keeping her intact they don't really have to "introduce" her.



And speaking of "introductions" we've received contradictory rumors from a couple different sources. Of course, these rumors should be taken with a hearty dose of salt at this stage and we're all just trying to get the facts straight. With that in mind, the original report was that Mara Jade would be appearing in Rebels and then Episode VII, but lately we've been hearing that she will be introduced in Episode VII before Rebels. According to this source the actress who will be playing Mara Jade is supposed to be a BIG surprise and in fact has to cover up when coming and going from the sets so as NOT to be identified or recognized. Along this same theme the actress in question cannot and will not discuss being involved with Episode VII at all until its release in December 2015. Thus, it is very likely Disney will make no mention of her or Jade until they are absolutely forced to via a TMZ leak or something.

As if all these rumblings, these little disturbances in the Force weren't enough to pique your interest, I offer you this little tid-bit. As always take with more than a few grains of salt and a glass of your beverage of choice. Making Star Wars posted an article back in May about James Luceno's CANON book -- remember everything going forward, games, apps, comics, and books is canon now -- called "Tarkin." You'll remember James Luceno's name as he was tasked with writing the all-important "Darth Plagueis" novel. Anyway, here is the interesting part from the article:

Now to the most intriguing (and most irritatingly mysterious) thought of the day on this subject: a Mara Jade appearance in Tarkin. Tweeter Alex Rybak (AKA, @Chewbacca89) posted the opinion, “I think we will see Mara Jade in this book…” When I asked him what made him think that, he replied, “A mixture of gut feelings and the whisperings of someone involved in it.” (now if that doesn’t rile of Star Wars fan up, I don’t know what will). He went on to say, “Yea the person I talked to won’t confirm either, but the fact that it’s possible is exciting!”

That will be very interesting to watch as November 4th, the "Tarkin" release date, approaches. IF Jade is in the book, Jade is in the galaxy, meaning likely to appear in Star Wars: Episode VII as well as Star Wars: Rebels, although I can't see Disney/LFL letting the cat out of the bag in a book versus their HUGE tentpole. Very, very unlikely . . .

BUT, if all this isn't enough to convince you, then I have to ask, Who is Domhnall Gleeson playing??? While everyone was talking about the rumors regarding Alex Pettyfer and Ryan Gosling, NO ONE saw ol' Domhnall coming.

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People were on the lookout for blondes while a ginger snuck in. Does it not make sense that IF his mother has RED HAIR a certain [Ben] Skywalker would also?

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And speaking of ol' red herself, who will wear the wig? The fan, as in fantasy, casting has centered around actresses like Gillian Anderson, Christina Hendricks, and Amy Yasbeck solely for their red locks, but a tip from February suggested that Sigourney Weaver had met with JJ about a possible role. This makes sense for two reasons, the wig and her age -- she's 64, which also happen to be her height -- 6' 4". Just kidding, she's only 6. Yet, Sigourney may just be too busy to do Star Wars since she has already signed on for Avatar 2-4, which is filming all at once.

In summation, I believe that Mara Jade will be in Episode VII mainly because it makes sense for the "family saga" and gives legitimacy to [Ben] Skywalker as Luke's son. I don't know who's playing Jade, but apparently someone who isn't a "normal" redhead as the actress in question requires a wig. But the biggest factor for me is quite simple -- Mara Jade has EXISTED longer in the Star Wars universe than she hasn't. Confusing, I know, let me explain. Mara Jade has been a fan-favorite for about 24 years!!! Star Wars only existed for a mere 14 years without her and Disney/LFL knows this. What do you believe?
 
If Mara and Ben are keepable, then why erase Jacen/Jaina/Anakin?????

And if they become keepable, why ditch the EU in the first damn place? :lol :lol

Just give me my characters and storylines, however it has to be done. Canon, spinoffs, TV series, whatever. Just make it happen Disney.

Thrawn, Palleon, Boba Fett, Noghri, Planet of Sith, Abeloth, Talon Karrde, Kyp, Saba, etc etc.

Find a way.
 
I think a prequel to Episode 1 with Neeson and McGregor reprising their roles would be dope. Minus all the gungan crap.
 
If Mara and Ben are keepable, then why erase Jacen/Jaina/Anakin?????

And if they become keepable, why ditch the EU in the first damn place? :lol :lol

Just give me my characters and storylines, however it has to be done. Canon, spinoffs, TV series, whatever. Just make it happen Disney.

Thrawn, Palleon, Boba Fett, Noghri, Planet of Sith, Abeloth, Talon Karrde, Kyp, Saba, etc etc.

Find a way.

Because they want Chewbacca in VII :lol
 
Disney actually has done a good job recently at remaking classics or continuing them. I'm all for this move and am very excited to see what transpires. 
 
 
Disney actually has done a good job recently at remaking classics or continuing them. I'm all for this move and am very excited to see what transpires. 
Yeah, regardless of what people think of Disney and their image, they do right by franchises they acquire because they have the money and personnel to keep them going and keep them fresh. They're not stupid, they hire the best of the best in their respected fields. 
 
So this site that has some pretty good sources at Lucasfilm/Pinewood posted this story on the villains of Episode VII. I'll post the whole thing later since I'm at work now, but the gist of it is
Vader/Sidious had Dark Force users (not Sith) who helped them hunt Jedi during the purge. They say that Lucasfilm is hinting at this with the Inquisitor from Rebels. Vader forbidded these guys from hunting Luke for obvious reasons, and Obi-Wan and Yoda are beasts, so that's why we never saw them. These guys basically worship the Sith. After the Sith were destroyed, these guys took over the Empire, and have fought Luke over the past 30 years. The new EU will expand on this. They will be lead by Driver, Lupita, and David Oyelowo, who is only voicing a character. Their ultimate goal is to resurrect the Sith organization and some resurrect some Sith Lord. And for those that have seen the Clone Wars cartoon, you'd know that there was a 3 episode arc centered around Sidious stealing a list of force sensitive children with plans to turn them into an army of dark side force users, so that'd help explain where these guys come from.
 
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So this site that has some pretty good sources at Lucasfilm/Pinewood posted this story on the villains of Episode VII. I'll post the whole thing later since I'm at work now, but the gist of it is
Vader/Sidious had Dark Force users (not Sith) who helped them hunt Jedi during the purge. They say that Lucasfilm is hinting at this with the Inquisitor from Rebels. Vader forbidded these guys from hunting Luke for obvious reasons, and Obi-Wan and Yoda are beasts, so that's why we never saw them. These guys basically worship the Sith. After the Sith were destroyed, these guys took over the Empire, and have fought Luke over the past 30 years. The new EU will expand on this. They will be lead by Driver, Lupita, and David Oyelowo, who is only voicing a character. Their ultimate goal is to resurrect the Sith organization and some resurrect some Sith Lord. And for those that have seen the Clone Wars cartoon, you'd know that there was a 3 episode arc centered around Sidious stealing a list of force sensitive children with plans to turn them into an army of dark side force users, so that'd help explain where these guys come from.

While I like the idea, I still don't agree with the approach.

Again, what purge? Lucas himself killed off every Jedi in a 20 second span. We were supposed to have seen that purge already, now 30+ years, AFTER the first 20 year span, we get to see them? :{

And Vader didn't even know about Luke, or Leia, he thought Padme had died. Now he's warning people off hunting for his son? :lol


I'm glad they'll incorporate a way to use Sith again, that's a good start, but they still putting more holes into an already ****** up story.
 
C CP1708 I should've clarified. They were warned not to off Luke between the ending of Episode 4 to 6

THE VILLIANS OF STAR WARS VII. WHO THEY ARE, WHAT THEY WANT, AND WHO IS PLAYING THEM[/SIZE=5]
The information below consists of what we’ve heard from multiple sources on the same topic. Some might be solid and some might be less than perfect. We’re doing our best with what we have!

Potentially huge spoilers below [/SIZE=5]


For the last few weeks, I have spoken to people in various departments at Pinewood Studios. Obviously, we talked about Star Wars: Episode VII. No one was extremely forthcoming and most asked me not to write about most of what we talked about. That’s cool. I’m honoring that and what I’ve left out has been at their requests. I don’t want anyone to get in trouble and I love hearing stories about the production first hand, so I have no desire to put an end to that privilege. Every source I spoke to was excited about the film being made at Pinewood Studios. It needs to be noted up front that none of these people have read the script. I’m going to say it again for clarity: I have not had communication or spoken to anyone that has held a script in their hands or read it. This rumor is a rumor amongst the people around Pinewood, some on Star Wars VII and some in the vicinity. These people are informed but things are still a mystery to them too.

I had one person turn on location services and send me a photo from their vehicle and they were exactly where they should have been. Each of these sources has proven themselves to be related to the production in ways I will never divulge.

Here’s the gist: The bad guys in Star Wars: Episode VII are being called “Jedi Hunters” by people working on and around the film. These are scary individuals, dressed in black, some helmeted, that hunt Jedi for the Empire.



Further explanations: When I first heard about the “Jedi Hunters,” I thought it sounded neat. Then I heard it again and again. So I started to really take it seriously in the last few days. Where there’s smoke, there’s often fire. It occurred to me these sound exactly like the Inquisitor in Star Wars Rebels. The original person to bring up “Jedi Hunters” had no idea what Star Wars Rebels was all about. I filled this person in and they said it sounded exactly like what they’re filming for Star Wars: Episode VII.

It should be noted that none of the sources heard the term “Inquisitor.” They just heard “Jedi Hunters” as they were reffered to on and around the sets in various departments. These hunters use lightsabers. So it kind of becomes a game of semantics, perhaps. But lets make it clear, no single source ever said “Inquisitor.” They all said the premise of the Inquisitor from Star Wars Rebels sounds identical to what is in the film itself. One said they had the impression the Jedi were fighting this group for a very long time.

A third source is adamant that David Oyelowo is voicing one of the three villains in the film. That lines up with what Jedi News heard a while back. Maybe it is old information, I have no idea. I have often asked myself if Jedi News’ rumor is being talked about on set by some chance. Is there the possibility of a feedback loop so to speak? Perhaps, but either way, we’re hearing Oyelowo is involved.

Another source says Lupita Nyong’o, Adam Driver, and David Oyelowo are making up the cast of villains in the film and they’re “Jedi Hunters.” They also said Lupita might wear “yellow contact lenses” in the film as she was seen trying them out and walking around with them some time ago to try them out.

The villains are said to be characterized by black and chrome with troopers in similar black and chrome uniforms. They’re very imperial, but very new. My sense is these guys are like General Grievous’ Magna Guards from Revenge of the Sith (my analogy not from a source).

Supposedly the “Jedi Hunters” or Inquisitors (from the sound of things) are the reason there is no New Republic after Return of the Jedi. That’s right, they’re saying there is no New Republic. Source #2 claims to have been on set for a sequence in which we learn the Jedi Hunters worship the Sith and want to resurrect them. Their mandate was to protect the Sith at all costs and insure their survival.

This source also believes Luke Skywalker has been fighting to stop this for the last thirty years of his life, but he is outnumbered, tired, and in need of help.
The bad guys have a goal: The resurrection of the Sith and it “sounds like it happens in the next film” meaning Episode VIII and “I guess they kill him (said resurrected Sith) in IX.”

No one could or would answer if the Inquisitor from Star Wars Rebels was in Star Wars: Episode VII.

Informed Speculation:
These “Jedi Hunters” might explain why potential family members are hidden away on strange places like Tatooine.

Everything is pointing towards Darth Sidious starting an army of Force Users, as we saw in The Clone Wars: Children of the Force. These “Jedi Hunters” can never become Sith, but they’re powerful. Someone like Luke Skywalker could really only challenge the Sith when using the dark side. So these Inquisitors or “Jedi Hunters” are formidable foes for Luke Skywalker and the future Jedi that follow his teachings.

Presumably, they never go after Luke Skywalker during the original trilogy era because Darth Vader has deemed him off limits, the Sith have plans for him. Upon the death of Darth Vader and the Emperor, the Inquisitors become stewards of the Emperor’s vision for order and power via imperialism. Darth Sidious apparently left these cult members with a path should he ever parish or be betrayed that would resurrect himself or some Sith to continue the legacy of the Sith. Perhaps Moraband is the key?

The moment Luke Skywalker returned to Endor in Return of the Jedi, the Inquisitors became the ultimate evil power in the universe. Naturally, they hunted him for revenge because if the Jedi ever returned to defending the galaxy, the Inquisitors would be in peril.

My guess is this is what our post-Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe might look like. If accurate, it sounds exciting and fresh.


 
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@CP1708 I should've clarified. They were warned not to off Luke between the ending of Episode 4 to 6

Ok, that helps a little. I hear that then.
 
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