Shooting Reported at Las Vegas Casino Hotel

[nelson999]

The graphic shows that the fuel tanks were 2000 ft from the hotel window. My roommate, who was in the air force and did extensive weapon training, says that an AR15 can reach that far.

 

[iamdef]

When "good points" go wrong

 

[kicks2024]

Anyone see that 4chan post from last month warning people to avoid large crowds in Vegas? Creepy

That post is as legit as the couple/woman everyone keeps bringing up

 

[Black Lotus]

Beats me. Just stay woke.

belt fed... sounds pretty similar to bump stock from the video of this cab driver, fires a few rounds gets jammed, fires one gets jammed, fires again

after finding out what he had used this guy posted a video about what bump stock is...

 

[Black Lotus]

The graphic shows that the fuel tanks were 2000 ft from the hotel window. My roommate, who was in the air force and did extensive weapon training, says that an AR15 can reach that far.

gotta take into consideration elevation as well, as far as reach goes. the concert location was about 1200 feet away.

 

[deleted]

I know that wasn't his intention, but it's strange to hear dude in the video almost scolding the shooter for not using a "viable option when it comes to accuracy"

 

[dwalk31]

The reality is that tons of people drive cars that aren't registered, without insurance, and with suspended licenses. Not only is it common, but the penalty for doing it is very very small.

 

[iamdef]

The reality is that tons of people drive cars that aren't registered, without insurance, and with suspended licenses. Not only is it common, but the penalty for doing it is very very small.

The wider reality is that more people would drive unregistered and more recklessly if there were not laws and restrictions to what they could do.
You only see the criminals and ignore the law abiding

 

[getback]

The reality is that tons of people drive cars that aren't registered, without insurance, and with suspended licenses. Not only is it common, but the penalty for doing it is very very small.

So what you're saying is that similar legislation should not be applied to gun ownership?

 

[dwalk31]

I'm talking specifically about you whoring out your personal integrity like a prostitute in bad health.

The saddest part is that someone who doesn't know me, or you, actually probably believes this

 

[Black Lotus]

So what you're saying is that similar legislation should not be applied to gun ownership?

why do it if not everyone is going to do it

 

[dwalk31]

The wider reality is that more people would drive unregistered and more recklessly if there were not laws and restrictions to what they could do.
You only see the criminals and ignore the law abiding

Do you think that the people who shoot up a country music festival fall into the criminal or the law abiding category? The idea that if a law was on the books, then all of this could have been avoided is ridiculous. Murder is ALREADY illegal. There are already laws and restrictions regarding it. Buddy disregarded the law in terms of murder... completely. This isn't difficult. I know that when tragedies happen people want to find solutions. I know that it seems like making the guns/ammo more difficult to obtain for law abiding citizens sounds like a reasonable first-step. The unfortunate reality is that the individuals who carry out these horrific crimes don't care about the laws. Dude was a multi-millionaire... Nevada gun laws weren't about to stop anything. And in terms of the trucks running into people, there have been instances where people rent the cars and carry out these crimes. We have to look for solutions, but there is no reason to be un-realistic. Attacking the root of what causes people to get to this point is the only solution.

 

[northoaklandfc]

The reality is that tons of people drive cars that aren't registered, without insurance, and with suspended licenses. Not only is it common, but the penalty for doing it is very very small.

The reality is if those restrictions and regulations weren't in place, more people who shouldn't drive would, causing an even greater concern to public safety.

This is why gun advocates get labeled stupid inbred hicks by civilized society - the constant display of a lack of critical thinking skills.

 

[dwalk31]

So what you're saying is that similar legislation should not be applied to gun ownership?

You already have to register guns... unless it is a private sell or a gun show. I haven't seen any evidence that the guns he purchased were unregistered. The bump stock arguably already goes against the laws on the books (at least the spirit of the law) as it relates to fully automatic weapons.

 

[iamdef]

Do you think that the people who shoot up a country music festival fall into the criminal or the law abiding category? The idea that if a law was on the books, then all of this could have been avoided is ridiculous. Murder is ALREADY illegal. There are already laws and restrictions regarding it. Buddy disregarded the law in terms of murder... completely. This isn't difficult. I know that when tragedies happen people want to find solutions. I know that it seems like making the guns/ammo more difficult to obtain for law abiding citizens sounds like a reasonable first-step. The unfortunate reality is that the individuals who carry out these horrific crimes don't care about the laws. Dude was a multi-millionaire... Nevada gun laws weren't about to stop anything. And in terms of the trucks running into people, there have been instances where people rent the cars and carry out these crimes. We have to look for solutions, but there is no reason to be un-realistic. Attacking the root of what causes people to get to this point is the only solution.

Stay on track. Let's not back track.

Address my response to your statement. You say there are people who don't follow the law regarding registering vehicles, I said there are many more people who do follow the law and said that you ignore the majority and focus on the minority.
Wouldn't you agree that without the laws requiring people to register their vehicle and have insurance there would be more people driving unregistered?

 

[getback]

Do you think that the people who shoot up a country music festival fall into the criminal or the law abiding category? The idea that if a law was on the books, then all of this could have been avoided is ridiculous. Murder is ALREADY illegal. There are already laws and restrictions regarding it. Buddy disregarded the law in terms of murder... completely. This isn't difficult. I know that when tragedies happen people want to find solutions. I know that it seems like making the guns/ammo more difficult to obtain for law abiding citizens sounds like a reasonable first-step. The unfortunate reality is that the individuals who carry out these horrific crimes don't care about the laws. Dude was a multi-millionaire... Nevada gun laws weren't about to stop anything. And in terms of the trucks running into people, there have been instances where people rent the cars and carry out these crimes. We have to look for solutions, but there is no reason to be un-realistic. Attacking the root of what causes people to get to this point is the only solution.

We're talking about gun violence in general. This event just sparked the conversation.

We shouldn't have to prefix every post with:
*we know gun legislation will not prevent the majority of mass shootings
**introducing gun legislation does not equate to disarming citizens completely

Do we?

 

[dwalk31]

You can't really be that big of a ****ing moron can you.

The reality if those restrictions and regulations weren't in place, more people who shouldn't drive would, causing an even greater concern to public safety.

This is why people label other people who are anti-gun control inbred hicks - constant display of a lack of critical thinking skills.

The people who shouldn't be driving are the ones that do it. I don't know if you have car insurance, but even the most BASIC plan covers for uninsured motorist because of how common it is. Further, tons of people die from cars every year (arguably they fall in the shouldn't be driving category). I see your point despite it being buried in the name-calling and inexplicable emotion, but the laws in re: registering, insuring, and licensing drivers are not stopping terrorist attacks from drivers. In no way shape or form. You can get a car, today, and do that if you wanted to. You can actually do that way easier than you could do what the Vegas shooter did.

 

[getback]

You already have to register guns... unless it is a private sell or a gun show. I haven't seen any evidence that the guns he purchased were unregistered. The bump stock arguably already goes against the laws on the books (at least the spirit of the law) as it relates to fully automatic weapons.

What about mandatory insurance and more stringent testing and annual testing?

 

[dwalk31]

Stay on track. Let's not back track.

Address my response to your statement. You say there are people who don't follow the law regarding registering vehicles, I said there are many more people who do follow the law and said that you ignore the majority and focus on the minority.
Wouldn't you agree that without the laws requiring people to register their vehicle and have insurance there would be more people driving unregistered?

My point is that the laws in regards to drivers would not prevent a terrorist from purchasing a car and plowing it into a crowd of people. Whether or not more or less people would break the law is irrelevant. In terms of a determined terrorist, like the vegas shooter, it is much easier to get access to a car and do damage than it is to do what he did. The idea that car insurance/registration would change that is beyond dumb.

 

[northoaklandfc]

The people who shouldn't be driving are the ones that do it. I don't know if you have car insurance, but even the most BASIC plan covers for uninsured motorist because of how common it is. Further, tons of people die from cars every year (arguably they fall in the shouldn't be driving category). I see your point despite it being buried in the name-calling and inexplicable emotion, but the laws in re: registering, insuring, and licensing drivers are not stopping terrorist attacks from drivers. In no way shape or form. You can get a car, today, and do that if you wanted to. You can actually do that way easier than you could do what the Vegas shooter did.

I apologize for implying that you're a moron but your logic is flawed and poorly thought out.

 

[iamdef]

The people who shouldn't be driving are the ones that do it. I don't know if you have car insurance, but even the most BASIC plan covers for uninsured motorist because of how common it is. Further, tons of people die from cars every year (arguably they fall in the shouldn't be driving category). I see your point despite it being buried in the name-calling and inexplicable emotion, but the laws in re: registering, insuring, and licensing drivers are not stopping terrorist attacks from drivers. In no way shape or form. You can get a car, today, and do that if you wanted to. You can actually do that way easier than you could do what the Vegas shooter did.

No the point is uninsured drivers are far the minority of people who are on the road, about 12% per this link:
https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-uninsured-motorists

You basing your whole argument on approximately 12% of the population

 

[dwalk31]

We're talking about gun violence in general. This event just sparked the conversation.

We shouldn't have to prefix every post with:
*we know gun legislation will not prevent the majority of mass shootings
**introducing gun legislation does not equate to disarming citizens completely

Do we?

Of course we shouldn't. And I know that it wouldn't disarm citizens completely. In fact, I think most gun owners could careless because they don't buy the majority of their guns/ammo from private sellers and gun shows. But since you concede that this conversation was sparked by this event, it is odd to say that the facts of this situation are irrelevant. You understand that it wouldn't have changed anything. Unfortunately, many of the people who are hurting from the attack are attempting to find hope in the idea that "maybe a law would have helped." It just isn't true.

 

[sundoobie]

You already have to register guns... unless it is a private sell or a gun show. I haven't seen any evidence that the guns he purchased were unregistered. The bump stock arguably already goes against the laws on the books (at least the spirit of the law) as it relates to fully automatic weapons.

Listen I don't want more gun laws which ultimately just makes criminals out of law abiding citizens, HOWEVER there needs to be at least more restrictions on who gets the guns. As you mention it's comparable with cars... liability insurance should be mandated on anyone purchasing a gun, mandatory gun training test, and photographs/fingerprinting to track the weapons purchased. Also the most fundamental thing that has to change is a medical clearance to purchase a gun. A piss test indicating what drugs is in the person and also a Doctor waiver meaning... your medical doctor has to clear you. Do you really want someone taking Zoloft for the past 2 years purchasing 10 AR rifles in a 12 month span?

 

[iamdef]

My point is that the laws in regards to drivers would not prevent a terrorist from purchasing a car and plowing it into a crowd of people. Whether or not more or less people would break the law is irrelevant. In terms of a determined terrorist, like the vegas shooter, it is much easier to get access to a car and do damage than it is to do what he did. The idea that car insurance/registration would change that is beyond dumb.

So the laws and regulations are pointless because they can be worked around?
Again you miss the point and purpose of laws. We had this conversation already. Again, we are backtracking.

 

[dwalk31]

What about mandatory insurance and more stringent testing and annual testing?

You know I actually think you are on to something with annual testing. It has always been weird to me that to get a concealed permit you can take one test and be good. The test is also not particularly difficult. But just to bring it back to cars you don't have to do annual driving tests and they can cause similar damage.