School Me On This Russia/Ukraine Kerfuffle

[fargin]

Any updated map on what Russia has taken over?

Constantly evolving right now.

Ukraine has initiated a counter-offensive and are enforcing an operational black-out.

The news escapes the black out is positive. They are liberating one village after another and constantly break through Russian defenses, encircle then and wipe them out. Seems like Ukrainians are stacking up piles of bodies and lining up rows of POWs.

Ukrainians are putting in righteous work.

 

[D Double]

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Been keeping up with the counter offensive and its sound like a rout.
Everything has been moving so fast in the past few days. Much faster than everyone thought and the Russian propagandists are looking shook and deflated.

 

[gry60]

Been keeping up with the counter offensive and its sound like a rout.
Everything has been moving so fast in the past few days. Much faster than everyone thought and the Russian propagandists are looking shook and deflated.

Yo, the last sentence of the dude in black had everyone shook "those who panic will get shot"

Are there prominent Russians who question the discrepancies between what we knew about the Russian military before the conflict and their current performance?

Putin really is a bad strategist though: he had Germany and much of central Europe relying on his oil and gas; climate change could have unlocked additional arable land, which he could have used to produce more foodstuff to sell on international markets, improve Russians economic outcomes through increased economic activity, and address the depopulation crisis they're suffering. If we consider the cultural links that already exist between Russia and the former soviet republics, an economically strong Russia would have helped him sell the idea of an Eastern European economic bloc much more easily than a military adventure.

All he had to do was be patient, but I guess his people licked his boots too hard for fear of a premature window exit...

 

[fargin]

"those who panic will get shot"

This is quite accurate.

This is what's happening right now in Ukraine. Those who panic gets shot, those who stay and fight gets shot, some of those who run gets shot by their own barrier troops, those who don't panic, their best bet is to surrender convincingly.

Cautiously optimism is coming out of the counter-offensive. Right now a rag-tag army of thieves and rapists is meeting a professional army and word on the street is, those who don't run are getting smashed. Their defensive positions look like homeless encampments and junkyards and they are being overrun so fast, they are actually being being bypassed by the spearhead and cleaned up by follow up forces.

Slava Ukraini.

 

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[biggie62]

Funny listening to those Russian propogantists. If they think this is the best weaponary the west has then they would be in for a rude surprise. Russians aren’t ready for modern warfare with drones and small compact attacks. It’s really showing. All those billions Putin put aside to modernize their army looks like it was all pocketed as it went downhill. Trickle down economics in its best.

 

[tmay407]

Funny listening to those Russian propogantists. If they think this is the best weaponary the west has then they would be in for a rude surprise. Russians aren’t ready for modern warfare with drones and small compact attacks. It’s really showing. All those billions Putin put aside to modernize their army looks like it was all pocketed as it went downhill. Trickle down economics in its best.

Right, and all these partisan idiots in America are talking about wasting billions of dollars on “the corruption in Ukraine.”

We spent something like $2. 25 trillion in a largely Republican supported war against Iraq and Afghanistan for absolutely nothing? (Guess who was filling all those military contracts and making bank.) Botched exit or not, the opposition took back over our $2.25 trillion investment in less than a week. It wouldn’t have mattered who was in charge, that was never a winnable battle with the tribalism in that area.

But now we spend $50 billion to help expose an actually incredibly weak “superpower” and that’s way too big of an investment. I think the scariest part is that we’ve made a nuclear power realize that nuclear weaponry is all they actually have to threaten the world with. Nobody is scared of Russia’s military anymore. At this point I honestly don’t even know if they’re capable of firing those weapons effectively at this point. Is some yokel conscript on his third day on the job gonna be making sure those launchers get out of their bays safely?

And we’re also giving Ukraine billions of dollars to buy back our soon-to-be-expiring munitions. Supporting their fight against Russia isn’t really hurting our stockpile as much as it seems. The availability of chips to finish our rebuilding of munitions is not great at all, but that has nothing to do with the war in Ukraine.

 

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Kherson Russians/collaborators rumored to be negotiating terms of surrender with weapons and equipment intact.

 

[sneeker]

Right, and all these partisan idiots in America are talking about wasting billions of dollars on “the corruption in Ukraine.”

We spent something like $2. 25 trillion in a largely Republican supported war against Iraq and Afghanistan for absolutely nothing? (Guess who was filling all those military contracts and making bank.) Botched exit or not, the opposition took back over our $2.25 trillion investment in less than a week. It wouldn’t have mattered who was in charge, that was never a winnable battle with the tribalism in that area.

But now we spend $50 billion to help expose an actually incredibly weak “superpower” and that’s way too big of an investment. I think the scariest part is that we’ve made a nuclear power realize that nuclear weaponry is all they actually have to threaten the world with. Nobody is scared of Russia’s military anymore. At this point I honestly don’t even know if they’re capable of firing those weapons effectively at this point. Is some yokel conscript on his third day on the job gonna be making sure those launchers get out of their bays safely?

And we’re also giving Ukraine billions of dollars to buy back our soon-to-be-expiring munitions. Supporting their fight against Russia isn’t really hurting our stockpile as much as it seems. The availability of chips to finish our rebuilding of munitions is not great at all, but that has nothing to do with the war in Ukraine.

that is all there is to it, nuclear threat. other than that, it showed how weak militarily Russia is. to hide this weakness, Russia lived under a shroud of mystery and government propaganda to make it's citizens and other countries believe of their true capacity. sounds familiar? North Korea? and maybe China? the only war against the west which the Soviet Union probably was able to win or made the U.S. quit was the Vietnam war all due to the fact that they were able to acquire some of the German technology and machineries left behind during the 2nd WW. after that, there was nothing the Soviet Union was known for making. hypersonic missiles? I doubt they were even the architect on that one. furthermore, Russia doesn't have the resources to build such weapons due to the corruption and blockade of certain materials to manufacturing. their so-called drones were exposed to be nothing more than recycled old and cheap parts.

 

[slaughterx]

We lost Vietnam the same reason we lost in Afganistan... guerrilla warfare. China is about that business tho, dont dump them in the same category, that would be a huge mistake.

 

[sneeker]

We lost Vietnam the same reason we lost in Afganistan... guerrilla warfare. China is about that business tho, dont dump them in the same category, that would be a huge mistake.

apart from that, problem with Vietnam and Afghanistan was the dwindling support of the U.S. and the weak leadership those two countries have with dealing with their own problems. also, their people didn't give a fight at all.
Vietnam and Afghanistan immediately crumbled when the U.S. pulled out despite having trained and bringing in trillions of military aid and equipment to the country. any other allied country would have become a damn strong country militarily with that kind of funding already.

not undermining China but just saying considering the shroud of secrecy and circumstances, it could be either of the two. Russia has been exposed already. the Ukraine war is horrible but I must say that with it happening, it showed a clear picture of Russia's real state.

 

[slaughterx]

China has the most money and the most people. If they put sanctions on use we would be in trouble since they make 9/10 of all goods sold to us and across the world.

 

[sneeker]

China has the most money and the most people. If they put sanctions on use we would be in trouble since they make 9/10 of all goods sold to us and across the world.

which they haven't done considering it will also affect them greatly. China is also careful with what is happening. they could have helped it's closest and biggest ally but it didn't. they know what is at stake. in a way, China also loves posturing empty threats. remember the threat they issued regarding the Nancy Pelosi Taiwan visit?

 

[heelsandeers]

Right, and all these partisan idiots in America are talking about wasting billions of dollars on “the corruption in Ukraine.”

But now we spend $50 billion to help expose an actually incredibly weak “superpower” and that’s way too big of an investment

And we’re also giving Ukraine billions of dollars to buy back our soon-to-be-expiring munitions. Supporting their fight against Russia isn’t really hurting our stockpile as much as it seems.

It really showcases how well propaganda works on certain people. I won't even call them partisans (though many are) as they exist on the left and right

From it's "all about US special interests and defense contractors" people to people flat out sympathetic to Putin and authoritarianism and everyone in between

Virtually every country in the world with the notable exception of ones controlled by right-wing nationalists has condemned the invasion and is actively supporting Ukraine

In the scheme of things the amounts the US has pledged to Ukraine's military are practically nothing. Most is in the form of drawdowns and the dollar amounts reflect replacement costs

HIMARS are a good example. Over 500 built and we sent 16. There has been no documented case of a single one being destroyed yet and the Ukrainians have been using them extremely effectively

Russia's war waging capacities have been set back by a decade or more regardless of the final outcome in Ukraine. Those who think that is bad or shouldn't have happened need to have their motives called into question

 

[heelsandeers]

Meanwhile on RT-US

 

[D Double]

Funny listening to those Russian propogantists. If they think this is the best weaponary the west has then they would be in for a rude surprise. Russians aren’t ready for modern warfare with drones and small compact attacks. It’s really showing. All those billions Putin put aside to modernize their army looks like it was all pocketed as it went downhill. Trickle down economics in its best.

Yup, it's just highlighting the corruption. Russia's air force has not done anything and they were not ready for the HIMARS, Javelins, MANPADs and Bayraktars.
When you have the defense minister with a $120K salary owning this $18 Million mansion, you know the system's rotten.

It's the soldiers and their families who will be suffering though, especially the ethnic minorities.

 

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[fargin]

As I understand it, Russians have been castrating POWs the last eight years. Only the victims are so embarrassed, they only confide to priests or commit suicide.

 

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[elpablo21]

Insane

 

[slaughterx]

War crimes they wont be held accountable for

 

[ballinsam23]

This is what happens in every war. We’re just in the age of information now and everything is plastered all over the internet for everyone to see.

You gotta have some serious hate to commit torture like that. At this point these soldiers are so far gone that anything is fair game to both sides.

 

[fargin]

War crimes they wont be held accountable for

Expect worse to come.

Prosecution is the counter-offensive, accountability will be sanctions.



No need for me to detail the new horrors being exhumed in Izyum...

 

[D Double]

Sounds like desperation. They were already recruiting convicts but now its going to be reserves and then who knows general population?
Another mass exodus will probably happen. Add the sanctions and financial losses from turning off the taps to Europe and Russia is going to be in a bad place for the next few years.

Also means the rumours were true that all of Russia's elite forces got decimated pretty early on in the conflict. Now they want to send people with far less training with far less equipment to the frontlines to be canon fodder.

 

[gry60]