Reports of a "mass casualty" situation @ nightclub in Orlando shooting

[SneakerProSr.]

Complains about profiling by profiling.

Makes sense

 

[sundoobie]

Mateen was interviewed THREE times by the FBI and monitored yet was still able to purchase guns.

CA has the toughest gun laws and regulations in the US yet there are still incidents of mass shootings in the state.

It just won't matter. I will give the Democrats some credit for trying though... but it's futile.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Mateen was interviewed THREE times by the FBI and monitored yet was still able to purchase guns.

CA has the toughest gun laws and regulations in the US yet there are still incidents of mass shootings in the state.

It just won't matter. I will give the Democrats some credit for trying though... but it's futile.

It is such a dismissive and borderline nonsensical argument for someone to make that "since you can't get it perfect, no point in trying"

I'm not foolish enough to think gun control by itself is a cure all.

 

[deleted]

Mateen was interviewed THREE times by the FBI and monitored yet was still able to purchase guns.

CA has the toughest gun laws and regulations in the US yet there are still incidents of mass shootings in the state.

It just won't matter. I will give the Democrats some credit for trying though... but it's futile.

But wouldn't you agree that it's worth it to at least try?

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Mateen was interviewed THREE times by the FBI and monitored yet was still able to purchase guns.

CA has the toughest gun laws and regulations in the US yet there are still incidents of mass shootings in the state.

It just won't matter. I will give the Democrats some credit for trying though... but it's futile.

It is such a dismissive and borderline nonsensical argument for someone to make that "since you can't get it perfect, no point in trying"

I'm not foolish enough to think gun control by itself is a cure all.

I honestly don't think there is anything more than can be done from a limit to access perspective that is going to change mass shootings.

That ship has sailed

Mental health? Sure, Iagree

 

[whywesteppin]

But nearly every attempt to increase limitations on access to guns have been blocked in recent history. So I find it hard to say that we've tried everything we can on that front.

Is that the solution? Not on its own. But I feel like we're being put in this artificial bind by the NRA and others that, "Oh, it's not guns, it's _______." But of course they don't give half a rat's *** about addressing ________. One day it's mental health, the other day it's immigrants, the next day it's video games.

So how about we try a comprehensive approach? 1) Vastly increase funding and resources for mental health. More research, more public health campaigns, etc. 2) Vastly increase funding for research on guns. Cast it as a public health issue and have a panel of scientists, doctors, and public health experts to scrutinize the data, much like we do for any new drug or other medical intervention. 3) Give out subsidies for companies to invest in gun technology.

If we did all three together, who could argue with that approach? Well, other than the NRA.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

The NRA are ******* hypocrites and we're all about gun control when it involved dearming negroes.

 

[RustyShackleford]

So can we at least all agree that the NRA are **** boys?

 

[sn00pee]

One thing's for sure, there needs to be researched done and the NRA blocking research of the effects of guns in America is outright absurd

 

[sundoobie]

But nearly every attempt to increase limitations on access to guns have been blocked in recent history. So I find it hard to say that we've tried everything we can on that front.

Is that the solution? Not on its own. But I feel like we're being put in this artificial bind by the NRA and others that, "Oh, it's not guns, it's _______." But of course they don't give half a rat's *** about addressing ________. One day it's mental health, the other day it's immigrants, the next day it's video games.

So how about we try a comprehensive approach? 1) Vastly increase funding and resources for mental health. More research, more public health campaigns, etc. 2) Vastly increase funding for research on guns. Cast it as a public health issue and have a panel of scientists, doctors, and public health experts to scrutinize the data, much like we do for any new drug or other medical intervention. 3) Give out subsidies for companies to invest in gun technology.

If we did all three together, who could argue with that approach? Well, other than the NRA.

Federal laws? Yeah but States have power to regulate the purchase of firearms. CA has no problem passing law after law on gun control.

Mental health research = More Narcotic Prescriptions. We do not lock up the mentally ill anymore.. .they just make em into zombies till the drugs run out or they give up on em so we're basically making a nation of drug abusers. No cure for clinical depression, bipolar disorder, dementia, schizophrenia and anxiety disorders. Remember MADD.. mothers against drunk driving so yeah something like this may help spread public awareness which has already taken place. http://momsdemandaction.org/

Not too sure about what research on guns would do. Common sense = Guns are dangerous... so do we really need a scientist to explain that to us?

Gun technology like smart guns? Won't work as of today because of the backlash of this NJ law; Childproof Handgun Law of 2002. It's a NJ law which makes it mandatory that all guns have this technology once smart guns come to the market. NRA will overwhelmingly oppose this.

Like I said.. futile cause it's too late... 300+ million guns in circulation. Even if someone attempts to purchase and is denied, there are other ways to obtain (black market) or other methods to kill. It's 4th of July in a couple of weeks which involves fireworks. Fireworks are made up of what? Use your imagination as to what is easily accessible to killers.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

So can we at least all agree that the NRA are **** boys?

They almost had me once

The are just another Obama is Satan group.

 

[iYen]

 

[kingkoopa]

Welp, this story has been swept under the rug

 

[superblytrife]

^ It's because the ISIS angle went up in flames when it came out (no pun intended) that dude was most likely a repressed gay man who was angry at the world because he couldn't openly be himself.

Trust that if the ties to ISIS were legit, we'd still be hearing about it. Makes you realize that absolutely nothing is going to change in this country.

 

[Magic33]

^ It's because the ISIS angle went up in flames when it came out (no pun intended) that dude was most likely a repressed gay man who was angry at the world because he couldn't openly be himself.

Trust that if the ties to ISIS were legit, we'd still be hearing about it. Makes you realize that absolutely nothing is going to change in this country.

and because they didn't want to stir the gun debate.

They shout them down until the story goes away.

 

[iYen]

 

[hand2handking]

2 Years After the Pulse Nightclub Shooting, Young Gun-Control Activists Plan 'Die-In' on Capitol Hill

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/2...ivists-plan-die-in-on-capitol-hill/ar-AAyxoe7

On June 12, 2016, high school sophomore Amanda Fugleberg awoke to the shocking news that dozens of people had been killed in a at Pulse, a gay nightclub just 15 minutes from her Orlando, Fla., home.

Two years later, she and two other teenagers are organizing a die-in protest Tuesday on Capitol Hill to remember the 49 lost lives and push for gun control. The event begins at 10:30 a.m. with speeches by activists and culminates in a 12-minute "die-in" at noon — roughly one second for every mass shooting since the Pulse attack.

"When Pulse happened, it was a huge thing, and it was horrifying," Fugleberg told USA TODAY. She remembered worrying about her cousins, who are part of the LGBTQ community, and hoping they had not been at the club. "Two years later, you still feel the effects."

Fugleberg is part of a generation of young gun-control activists associated with the survivors of a February shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., which killed 17 people. The youths have successfully pushed for and organized the in Washington, D.C., and across the country.

David Hogg, one of the most vocal Parkland students, helped Fugleberg and her co-organizers, Nurah Abdulhaqq and Acadia Gilchrist, plan the die-in. They have spent weeks pulling the event together and expect at least 5,000 people to attend. They're also encouraging activists who can't make it to Washington, D.C., to organize sister die-ins across the country.

"Every student activist I've met is extremely driven, and it’s empowering that we’re all leaders right now," said Gilchrist, a high school senior from Syracuse, N.Y. "It’s sad that we have to be, but at the same time, we all know it’s necessary."

Gun control remains a nationally controversial topic as activists push for the introduction of gun policy changes after each tragedy and proponents of gun rights fight for protection of the Second Amendment. Schools have been at the center of the conversation; shootings at Virginia Tech, Sandy Hook Elementary School and Santa Fe High School as well as Marjory Stoneman Douglas have been among the deadliest attacks.

Abdulhaqq, 14, a student from Douglasville, Ga., is emblematic of the vanguard of today's gun-control movement: young people whose exposure to tragedy has driven them toward activism. She's been fighting for gun control since she lost a close family friend to gun violence two years ago.

"We’re the people who are going to be the most affected by it," said Abdulhaqq, who connected with other activists through a group chat.

"The youth movement has been particularly helpful in driving this intensity," said Peter Ambler, executive director at Giffords, a gun violence prevention organization. "There’s only one large group of people who can sort of point their fingers at the politicians and who basically don’t share the blame because they haven’t been able to vote."

Since the Pulse shooting, Ambler said, the gun-control movement has changed considerably: It's become a and has in addition to animating a generation of young people.

Fugleberg, who graduated from high school two weeks ago, is excited to count herself a member of the new activist generation. "It’s really cool to feel like we’re actually a part of something and hopefully making a change," she said.