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The only one that would make me just go DAMN. Everyone else is really just like eh, what else is new.Originally Posted by Basketballsavant
As long as Junior is not on any list all is well.
JoRDaN201 wrote:
Then Pujols (hurts to say it)
Reading is fundamental.
Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh
oh an FYI: They ALL should be in the hall of fame.
Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh
oh an FYI: They ALL should be in the hall of fame.
IncredibleEv wrote:
didnt Ortiz publicly speak out against steroid users at one point?
im a yankee fan and I agree yankee fans should shut up, but there is totally something satisfying about the fact. its not like Jeter, O'Neill, Bernie have been caught...feel me (Knoblauch dont count in this case)
I think he did when Manny was initially caught a few months back...
oh an FYI: They ALL should be in the hall of fame.
I can't agree with this until ALL the names come out of people who have failed tests over the years....if guys like Griffey, Thomas, Thome, etc haveremained clean then it's not fair to them or others who have played the game the right way and not cut corners by using PED's. This is why I'minterested in seeing what names are on the list. Get them all out there and get this over and done with...
didnt Ortiz publicly speak out against steroid users at one point?
He said during Spring Training anyone caught should be suspended for one year.
oh an FYI: They ALL should be in the hall of fame.
Nope. Not until they own up at least. Sorry but to me if you want to keep lying to everyone then you got no rights getting recognized for HOF.
These cats all thought it was no big deal to roid up.....yet now all a sudden when caught they deny deny deny and NO WAY did they do anything like that. Thatto me is funny. And sad.
Originally Posted by Q46totheE
IncredibleEv wrote:
didnt Ortiz publicly speak out against steroid users at one point?
im a yankee fan and I agree yankee fans should shut up, but there is totally something satisfying about the fact. its not like Jeter, O'Neill, Bernie have been caught...feel me (Knoblauch dont count in this case)
oh an FYI: They ALL should be in the hall of fame.
I can't agree with this until ALL the names come out of people who have failed tests over the years....if guys like Griffey, Thomas, Thome, etc have remained clean then it's not fair to them or others who have played the game the right way and not cut corners by using PED's. This is why I'm interested in seeing what names are on the list. Get them all out there and get this over and done with...
This assumes that steroids can take someone who isn't a hall of famer and make him one, I don't think that is the case.
Sure it's unfair but that's what baseball is, an unfair game cheating is encouraged, it's a culture that defines the sport, the whole game revolvesaround cheating, there are tons of people in the hall who cheated in one way or another.
Plus baseball HOF shouldn't be about moralizing it should be about documenting the history of the game and for better or worse the steroid era is a part ofthis, put it on the plack if it helps you sleep at night, but your hall of fame can't be taken seriously if Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, and Manny Ramirez arenot in it.