Rap About Nothing: Hip Hop Chat Thread

[Peep Game]

I had never listened to a Wiz song until I randomly checked Kush and OJ, but I had been seeing Show and Prove in Best Buy for years kinda interested in hearing both that and Deal Or No Deal now since Johnny Juliano from those old Filnobep vids are on there

 

[wavycrocket]

NBA youngboy ain't slow he's just a degenerate.

Muerta

 

[wavycrocket]

Young thug and Migos aren't shape shifters. It was obvious they came in the game heavily influenced by their favorite rappers, but they've came into their own and have their own styles. What Wiz and Soulja tsung are doing is completely different.

Every rapper comes into the game influenced by someone.

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[Grine]

Well who the hell influenced Twista?

 

[wavycrocket]

What is this wiz Khalifa argument about? Like ok...so he switched his image up until he found something that worked? Whether it be influenced from curren$y or not. I don’t get the debate


Edit: ohhh nvm this argument again I see we’re discrediting wiz success because apparently he copied everyone
Ok

And ftr I haven’t listened to wiz since 2010-2011. Frankly I think he’s pretty trash after his first album. But NT gon NT and act like he had nothing to do with his own success

Nobody is trying to discredit Wiz at all man. The quality and grind was there for him to succeed. Him and his team were smart...and for a time, he put together smart marketing with quality music. That doesn’t lose...and he deserves credit for it.

All everybody is doing (with the exception of trynafeelmink ) is pointing out how he’s a more talented, hipster version of Soulja Tsung.

And for the record...there was a whole wave of Kids influenced by Wiz himself. Cruddy temps with blond in them don’t start without Wiz rocking the blond streak...which eventually bled to the Odell haircuts. You just gotta follow the line.

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[delete1234]

Fair enough.

However, young thug can’t get a pass bro...that ***** is just as bad

 

[trynafeelmink]

Young thug and Migos aren't shape shifters. It was obvious they came in the game heavily influenced by their favorite rappers, but they've came into their own and have their own styles. What Wiz and Soulja tsung are doing is completely different.

Every rapper comes into the game influenced by someone.

Bro Musically Wiz music has been consistent (to a detriment), same topics, same flows, the only thing he changed was production. Wiz persona as far as mainstream goes is completely his own lane, it's disrespectful as **** to say he's anything near Soulja Boy.

Who's lane is Wiz trying to take? He ain't portraying no gangsta, he ain't out here lying about popping pills, he ain't venturing into mumble rap. He has his own adlibs & own persona.





These just some of the tracks off his new project... this is his signature sound. I can't sit here and cosign him being a "shapeshifter" because he dabbled in the trap sound that 90% of new rappers dabbled in.

So again i ask who has Wiz stole from... i asked and Wavy gave me a Wiz doing his regular flow and cadence over a 2017 trap beat as an example.

Everything else has been examples of him switching his clothes (That can be said for most new rappers) his hair (despite him doing that before this new influx of rappers) & **** like the liquor he's drinking or the papers he's using to roll his weed.

 

[Proposition Joe]

Well who the hell influenced Twista?

Bone thugs n harmony.... so they say

 

[wavycrocket]

Some dudes just not gonna break. Kodak also broke through because of his antics. I don't see NBA elevating much farther than where he at now. Some dudes just have a lane they can't escape.

This just hit the billboard. This not even a “single”. Youngboy got that Kevin Gates/Boosie Type fanbase. The kids love him, Streets and old *****. Mainstream white people not hip to him yet though. And unfortunately, that ultimately determines “how far you go”.



He stay outta trouble....he on his way.

http://www.thefader.com/2017/10/10/youngboy-nba-never-broke-again-cover-story-interview

 

[jmob32]

Well who the hell influenced Twista?

When he dropped the tung twista gimmick and became twista, he was def riding Psychodrama/Do or Dies wave

 

[rrlegend]

wiz isnt nothing more than the modern day snoop minus doggystyle and the gangster stuff. Thats no diss , dude has carved out a nice lane for himself and has made some decent signings to his label if that roster is real. My first introduction to him his star power , since then the only thing that has changed has been his beats and he puts out better mixtapes than albums

 

[str8drop]

Bro Musically Wiz music has been consistent (to a detriment), same topics, same flows, the only thing he changed was production. Wiz persona as far as mainstream goes is completely his own lane, it's disrespectful as **** to say he's anything near Soulja Boy.

Who's lane is Wiz trying to take? He ain't portraying no gangsta, he ain't out here lying about popping pills, he ain't venturing into mumble rap. He has his own adlibs & own persona.





These just some of the tracks off his new project... this is his signature sound. I can't sit here and cosign him being a "shapeshifter" because he dabbled in the trap sound that 90% of new rappers dabbled in.

So again i ask who has Wiz stole from... i asked and Wavy gave me a Wiz doing his regular flow and cadence over a 2017 trap beat as an example.

Everything else has been examples of him switching his clothes (That can be said for most new rappers) his hair (despite him doing that before this new influx of rappers) & **** like the liquor he's drinking or the papers he's using to roll his weed.

Nah bro

Wiz has went astray a few times. Cabin Fever was his first run at the trap wave. Lex had emailed him all those beats 2 years prior and he brushed him off. Then his sound blew up and he went back and dug in his email and hopped on those beats to ride the wave out. Then the labels started working their magic to make sure he didn't fail a second time and basically got him in with all the popping industry songwriters. Rolling Papers and ONIFC really alienated a lot of his core with all those pop songs. Why you think he went out and got the Ian Connor Tumblr makeover? He had to reinvent himself all over again after he let the industry corn him out

After that he got with Two9/Curtis Williams during the 28 Grams/"Trap Wiz" era (his words not mine). Curtis was getting love for basically doing the old Wiz sound with a ATL/trap new black hipster twist so he had to go and see what that was about. He took them _’s on tour let them write him some tracks etc.

Edit: to keep it 100 I could pull bruh card a lot more it’s deeper than just radio singles man. I love Wiz music and he a cool *** _ , I ain’t even tryna talk about him like that

Point is, bruh is a blank canvas ready and willing to be manipulated and morphed into whatever. I’m a fan but it’s the truth and a lot of people in the know will tell you the same ****. His “signature sound” is a more polished industry ready version of Max B and the man will tell you that himself. His #1 marketing gimmick that pushed him over the edge into Frat parties across America came from Spitta, again he will tell you that himself

His singles are “Pop that nobody is doing” because everybody else turn them ****s down. How many _’s you think See You Again got offered to before it landed in his lap? Wale went on record himself and said he turned it down.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Face back talkin that **** again.

93-94 Face is back

 

[VARNELL HILL]

Wiz after Kush & OJ is dead to me.

 

[Grine]

When he dropped the tung twista gimmick and became twista, he was def riding Psychodrama/Do or Dies wave

If I'm not mistaken,Twista was around waaay before Do or Die/Phychodrama.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Twista been rapping the same since 93

 

[ninjahood]

A white **********er pulling another white **********ERS pass in hip hop

WHAT A TIME

its politically motivated..which produces comedic results like this

 

[frshstunna]

Wiz being discussed at this length on NT in 2017...what a time.

Damn near 2018 and Wiz talk went on for pages ...anything gets argued in here

 

[a blinkin]

Thread goes in cycles.

We’ll be back to Drake in about 2 weeks.

 

[Deleted member 107398]

I think the show is good right where it’s at..but what changes do y’all think they might try to do?

Those evergreen episodes were fire, where they discuss one topic all episode

 

[ace rawstein]

new set for sure..

they might can add an expert guess that pops up for a few mins and talks about something specific, like an albums or songs you may have missed segment

I know a lot of people dont like Nadeska but she is good in my book. maybe expanding her role and giving her the green light to add a journalistic topic... long as its not boring

And the viewer questions are hardly ever really good.They need a better screen of the questions or just cancel that part.

 

[All Ready]

joe be up there doing abreviated jokes from his podcast up there with no context

he acts like the show is rushing him but the s*** is an hour

I also hate the argue to argue angle

if it doesn’t fit or sound right move the hell on

 

[HOU$TON]

Y’all keep sleeping if you want....but there is a segment of young, hood ***** really making waves and growing fanbases inspired by 90s & early 00s southern legends.



This type of young, street rap is on the verge of bowing up. Kodak broke through...Youngboy on his way....and that “bottom sound” bout to take over for 2018.

That snippet just made my day, that type of music needs a resurgence

 

[kevlar]

I won't touch the Wiz topic cause it's a dead horse at this point but it follows the typical music forum formula. trynafeelmink bitter at wavycrocket for not calling out southern rappers for biting and str8drop dropping gems that only make sense if you been following these dudes.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

That snippet just made my day, that type of music needs a resurgence

Ain't go on no suits cuz we ain't tryna be presidents