QB THREAD - 2x quarterbacky award winner: Lamar Jackson

That's why I responded to Chester. :lol it wasn't meant to spark another side debate.

Pro you solid, friendly fire.
 
Ok then.

And the only one jerkin Alex Smith is SP, don't put that **** on us.
 
Kind of cool, both Peyton and Brady will meet huge milestones this week.

Peyton reaches 500 TD's, and Brady meets 50,000 yards for their respective careers.
 
Have a question that I think should be posted in here.  I am going to completely take the specific QB out of the picture....

What is your guys' definition of a franchise quarterback?
 
dland24 said:
Have a question that I think should be posted in here.  I am going to completely take the specific QB out of the picture....

What is your guys' definition of a franchise quarterback?
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Someone you can count on to not make mistakes and lead you team to victory. Whether it's a 2 minute drill or killing the clock. Etc
When I think of a franchise QB the 2 that come to mind is Ben and Rodgers
 
^ or nah... A franchise QB is someone who can put the team on his back when **** gets tough, someone who makes people around him better and someone who can read a defense and adjust accordingly...
 
I've probably argued the opposite side before, but I think "making your teammates better" might be a tad overrated. For instance, all these years we've said Brady makes receivers. Was it Brady or the system? Because the system hasn't changed all too much but Brady looks funny in the light now.
 
Franchise QB is someone who is top 5-6 talent level on your team

Efficient on a consistent basis and is able to adapt on the fly given the team's structure/situation
 
Good question dland.

Franchise QB is the overall leader. Extension of the Head Coach. The hub of which the offense runs, no matter the personnel (which is key). Cool and poised in the clutch, handles himself well after the game, and leads by example on it. Can run elite offenses, or carry bad ones. Always gives your team a chance, even when undermanned. Scares opposing teams all by himself.
 
Yeah, Brady is NOT just because of the system. He's simply old and fading.

Brady is about the most unique elite QB ever. He was always evolving systematically.

From Troy Brown being his best wide out, and running the ball all game long, to Moss and Welker, to Gronk and Hernandez, to Edelman and Dobson, he's been to the AFC Title game in every way imaginable. Run game, elite WR's, Elite duel TE's, random put together units, he's always been in the hunt.

No one else can say that. That many different changes in such a short period of time. 4-5 completely different systems, in 12 years. AFC Title game (at minimum) like 6-7 times.

No QB, ever, can match that.
 
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My franchise QB criteria is super simple. If you wouldn't replace your QB with any other quarterback besides the guys in tier 1, you've got yourself a franchise QB
 
Dalton is a QB you can win with but I don't know if at this point I'd consider him a true franchise QB
 
dmxfury said:
My franchise QB criteria is super simple. If you wouldn't replace your QB with any other quarterback besides the guys in tier 1, you've got yourself a franchise QB
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Mine is more simple as well.  To me, a franchise quarterback is simply a QB who is the perennial starter....that the team has no plans to replace in the foreseeable future.  Sometimes this is due to the fact that the quarterback has all the skills that @CP1708 listed (Aaron Rodgers) so the team has found their QB for the next 10 years......and sometimes it is due to the fact that a team has grossly overpaid their QB, so it is next to impossible to part ways with him (Joe Flacco).

Either way, to me a franchise QB is simply a QB that is and will be the starting quarterback of a team for the foreseeable future.
 
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ChevelleRollin said:
Ballerific703 said:
Matt Ryan plays in a dome and is bad on the road. I would put Phil,
Luck and Ben ahead of Ryan.
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Yeah because a loss is based on the qb and not the entire team please shut the hell up wit that same old silly garbage
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This one was posted on ESPN this morning.
Ryan has to be in sync with his receivers, particularly on the road. As ESPN Stats and Information pointed out, he has a 57.6 completion percentage, an average of 6.2 yards per attempt, four touchdowns, five interceptions and a total QBR of 44.0 in the two road games this season. At home, his completion percentage is 77.6 with an average of 11.0 yards per attempt, six touchdowns, no interceptions and a QBR of 96.1.
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These are from SB Nation and Bleacher Report

The superior play of Matt Ryan in his dome as opposed to the road has been well documented. The Falcons are 26-4 all time in the Georgia Dome when Ryan starts, and just 17-15 on the road. Most teams, and most QBs, play slightly better at home than on the road, so its not groundbreaking that Ryan would too. But i was interested to see how much he was effected relative to the rest of the leagues QB. I researched every active QB who has thrown at least 1,000 passes over the last 4 seasons. There are 24 of them.

I think passer rating is a useful but flawed stat, but for the purposes of this discussion to simplify things im going to use it as the marker. Ive looked at all 24 QBs who have thrown at least 1,000 passes in the past 4 years and looked at their home road splits. Here is a full list of all of those QBs, and their difference in home/road passer rating, in order of most effected to least by being at home

1. Matt Ryan 17.3 better at home
2. Alex Smith 12.7 better at home
3. Aaron Rodgers 10.3 better at home
4. Jay Cutler 8.9 better at home
5. Chad Henne 8.4 better at home
6. Matt Stafford 8.3 better at home
7. Joe Flacco 7.7 better at home
8. Drew Brees 6.3 better at home
9. Ben Roethlisberger 5.7 better at home
10. Peyton Manning 5.5 better at home
11. Donovan McNabb 4.4 better at home
12. Tony Romo 4.0 better at home
13. Matt Hasselbeck 3.9 better at home
14. Ryan Fitzpatrick 3.5 better at home
15. Phil Rivers 3.4 better at home
16. Tom Brady 0.9 better at home
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What happens to Matty Ice when the postseason comes around?

It has been hard for Ryan to show how clutch he is in the playoffs when the three games he has lost have not been close enough in the fourth quarter to present that opportunity, in part because of his ineffective play for the first three quarters.

As a rookie playing his first playoff game in Arizona, Ryan took a safety on a fourth-quarter sack that gave the Cardinals a 30-17 lead. He did lead a 58-yard touchdown drive to cut it to 30-24 with 4:15 left, but Kurt Warner was able to run out the clock with a big 3rd-and-16 conversion to a receiver left wide open in the middle of the field.

No chance at glory for Ryan to lead a game-winning drive.

Two years later as the No. 1 seed, Ryan threw an interception to Tramon Williams with the game tied 14-14 and the ball at Green Bay's 26. The Packers scored a touchdown, and with just 0:10 left before halftime, Ryan made a devastating decision to force a pass that was again intercepted by Williams and returned 70 yards for a touchdown.

The Falcons never got closer than 21 points in the fourth quarter, and Green Bay rolled to a 48-21 victory.

Last season in the Wild Card Game against the Giants, Ryan failed to lead the offense to a single point. Their two points were scored by the defense forcing a safety, and twice Ryan failed on poorly-executed 4th-and-1 quarterback sneaks in Giants' territory.

Ryan has lost three games by more than 18 points in his career, and two of them were in the playoffs (27 vs. Green Bay, 22 vs. New York Giants).

There is no denying that, in all three occasions, Ryan has not lived up to his standard of play in the postseason. He has yet to throw for 200 yards in a game, and has a 71.2 passer rating.

The big problem stat has been yards per attempt (YPA). Among 95 quarterbacks with at least 100 pass attempts in the playoffs, Ryan's 5.31 YPA ranks 92nd all time.

Only Drew Bledsoe (5.30), Kordell Stewart (5.24) and Jay Schroeder (5.01) rank below him. That's not the kind of company you want to keep in the postseason, showing the ultimate sign of struggling to get the ball down the field.

38 points on 33 drives will not get the job done in the postseason. The 1.15 points per drive is equal to what the 2011 Jacksonville Jaguars produced offensively.

The scoring is even worse when you consider Ryan is charged for two return touchdowns and a safety to the opponent. Granted, the fumble return touchdown against Arizona was Michael Turner's fault on the handoff, but statistically it is credited to Ryan for being the last to have possession.

The playoff heat is exacerbated when two other quarterbacks that became starters in 2008, Aaron Rodgers and Joe Flacco, have already been to the Conference Championship Game and Rodgers wiped out Ryan's Falcons on his way to a ring.

While Ryan has lost to two Super Bowl Champions and an oh-so-close runner-up from Arizona, these teams have not featured a murderer's row of defenses, and Ryan should have better stats and scored more points than he did.
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Ballerific703 said:
This one was posted on ESPN this morning.
These are from SB Nation and Bleacher Report
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And none of this states how games are loss on the road so again close your anus with this info that doesn't show **** about the games actually being played..Falcons have went 13-3 twice since Matt Ryan has been here...I guess 13 games were won in the dome right ? 11-5 his rookie season I guess all 11 games were won in the dome ? **** outta here with that useless **** you posting
 
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they get an extra dome game each year in New Orleans too....just sayin' :lol


*braces for that ATL wrath*
 
So at least 11 games a year, Matt plays in a dome or in warm weather. How well does Matty Ice play in cold, wet and windy conditions?
 
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Ballerific703 said:
So at least 11 games a year, Matt plays in a dome or in warm weather. How well does Matty Ice play in cold, wet and windy conditions?
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Yeah because a team is playing 11 games a year at home right ? Out of 16 games right ? Winning the game is what matters...he's from Philly and played at Boston college enough with the stupid weather conditions


JJ Watt said:
Considering he's never made it that deep into the playoffs to find out the world may never know.
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Whut ? Falcons were 1 game from the super bowl what the **** are you talking bout ? Stick to hanging division banners in the rafters
 
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