QB THREAD - 2x quarterbacky award winner: Lamar Jackson
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In the NBA, stars play both ways. Offense and defense.
Not so NFL
Not so pitchers vs hitters/fielders.
Dodgers have Clayton Kershaw. Elite of the elite. But when 2-5 starters pitch, blame Kershaw cuz Dodgers lose?
Blame Trout for terrible staff? Or if he bats 3rd, but 9th inning 7-8-9 bat and all K?
QB plays terrible, but defense is a monster, give credit to QB for Win?
QB plays great, but defense is a traffic cone, give blame to QB for loss?
Russ completed 9 passes in a playoff game, win.
Dan completes 30+, loss.
Credit/blame?
All things I've said 500+ times. Just as Trent Dilfer isn't better than Dan because he won a SB, just as Julian Edelman isn't better than Randy Moss because he won a SB, just as Ronnie Hillman isn't better than Thurman Thomas etc etc.
Dan played with horrible talent over the years. Shula was great, early, but clearly stayed too long. Tom Olividati was atrocious as the DC. And Dan was further set back by the Bills having multiple HOFers play in their primes together. Kelly, Reed, Thurman, Bruce Smith all wrecked Miami during Dan's prime.
It happens. He didn't win, clearly. But he didn't have the 05 Pitt D. Or 15 Denver D. 2000 Ravens. Or Terrell Davis. Or Jerry Rice. Or league rules geared towards offense.
I get people use team success to judge players, I get it, doesn't make it a true reflection of that player.
Barry Bonds didn't win World Series.
Nor did Ken Griffey Jr.
Marino, Barkley, Malone, Kershaw, Trout, Randy Moss, Barry Sanders, Ladanian, Adrian Peterson, Antonio Gates, Tony G....
Lot of teammates need to pitch in to win Titles.
As a team, collectively, if you didn't win, your season is a failure. Absolutely 100% true. I believe that. My Cubs are experts. My Lakers not so much. They succeed a lot. (Not so much now
)None of this post will matter. Same 2 will argue and argue and argue every single point. But seems to be a few impartial that view things fairly similar as I. Non-Dolphin fans at that. *Shrugs*
Did not know you had him 2 DSA. Respect man. Maybe you're paying me back for always respecting Brady.
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figures
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If the defense is keeping a team in the game while the QB can't get out of his own way giving the ball to the other team, in a playoff game, while the star wide out is on national tv saying get this guy outta the ******* game......I can blame the QB.
We should bury that QB. We should bury the coach who continued to play said QB.
We should bury that QB. We should bury the coach who continued to play said QB.
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I love Favre but at this point you have to rank Rodgers ahead of him, where ever you put him on the list
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Favre turned the ball over too much for my liking
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DSA... I always liked you.
My brethren CP, why repeat yourself any more? Lol.
It won't ever matter.
My brethren CP, why repeat yourself any more? Lol.
It won't ever matter.
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Steve Young is my favorite quarterback ever.
Well next to Stafford
Definitely (personally)taking Rodgers over Brett at this point, and Marino is the GOAT pure passer.
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How many players that Dan Marino played with have Starting Lineup figures tho? 
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A couple QB storylines I'm looking forward to watching
Teddy and his step forward (hopefully)
Seattle leaning on RW more
Ben hopefully staying healthy all year and putting a strong MVP case together
Cleveland
Teddy and his step forward (hopefully)
Seattle leaning on RW more
Ben hopefully staying healthy all year and putting a strong MVP case together
Cleveland
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Winston v Mariota...which one really takes a step this season
Brock in Houston
Pretty Jimmy Weeks 1-4
How does Cam bounce back after the SB
Brock in Houston
Pretty Jimmy Weeks 1-4
How does Cam bounce back after the SB
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-AFC South QBs in general.
-All the 3rd year QBs.
-Goff in LA.
-Sanchize.
-What the hell is Chip going to do?
-All the 3rd year QBs.
-Goff in LA.
-Sanchize.
-What the hell is Chip going to do?
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Playing with the Hamilton Tiger-Cats.
DeadsetAce
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Playing with the Hamilton Tiger-Cats.
damn that's better than i expected. get him a try out How many players that Dan Marino played with have Starting Lineup figures tho?
Lmaooooo
He did have a HOF RB tho...
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Saw this. Found it interesting
At his current pace, Russell Wilson won't match Andrew Luck's current interception total until week 8. Of 2018.
At his current pace, Russell Wilson won't match Andrew Luck's current interception total until week 8. Of 2018.
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Saw this. Found it interesting
At his current pace, Russell Wilson won't match Andrew Luck's current interception total until week 8. Of 2018.
Russell doesn't throw passes down the field and can't do anything with an offense wtihout Beastmode though.
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Saw this. Found it interesting
At his current pace, Russell Wilson won't match Andrew Luck's current interception total until week 8. Of 2018.
Russell doesn't throw passes down the field and can't do anything with an offense wtihout Beastmode though.
This is true. Plus the only reason he makes plays is because Richard Sherman Kam and Earl
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How long for Andy Dalton?
How long to Luck eclipses Favre
How long to Luck eclipses Favre
DeadsetAce
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How long for Andy Dalton?
How long to Luck eclipses Favre
Dalton....with the way the Bengals run things and given that Marvin Lewis still has a job, I'd say the leash is quite long
Luck eclipses Favre how? INTs? Overall play?
DeadsetAce
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Saw this. Found it interesting
At his current pace, Russell Wilson won't match Andrew Luck's current interception total until week 8. Of 2018.
Russell doesn't throw passes down the field and can't do anything with an offense wtihout Beastmode though.
This is true. Plus the only reason he makes plays is because Richard Sherman Kam and Earl
i'm not taking the bait
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Dalton....with the way the Bengals run things and given that Marvin Lewis still has a job, I'd say the leash is quite long
Luck eclipses Favre how? INTs? Overall play?
I meant how long till AD catches up with Luck and his INTs
DeadsetAce
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Dalton....with the way the Bengals run things and given that Marvin Lewis still has a job, I'd say the leash is quite long
Luck eclipses Favre how? INTs? Overall play?
I meant how long till AD catches up with Luck and his INTs
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