Oh I'm sorry, Did I Break Your Conversation........Well Allow Me A Movie Thread by S&T

[kevin cleveland]

I say keep the ratings. I will watch Mean Streets at some point tonight and chime in.

Tallying up the votes:

Strangers on a Train - 4
An Education - 2
Synecdoche, New York - 2
Into the Wild - 0
The White Ribbon - 0

Still need plenty more.

 

[duba169]

you should send this whole thread to bill simmons when we are done haha

 

[duba169]

you should send this whole thread to bill simmons when we are done haha

 

[big j 33]

Originally Posted by lawdog1

I saw Cars 2 on Friday with my son.  It may be Pixar's worst movie, but that doesn't make it a bad movie by any means.  I still enjoyed it quite a bit.  Visually, its amazing.  The story leaves a little something to be desired and I thought the climax scene dragged on a little too long, but it definitely keeps you entertained and has plenty of laughs.  Its a much different film than the original in terms of story and scope.  So, someone who didn't like the first could still like the sequel.    

  
That's for the input, that's good to know. I'll probably check it out.
Mean Streets

Count me in the group that loved the soundtrack. If this film was done 20 years later and the sound was sharper and not as abrupt, I don't think it would be an issue. From the opening song I knew it was Scorsese film and loved the song choice.

I loved catching the early signature Scorsese moments, the music, the camera shots, and other random things here and there. The writing was clever, the acting was great, and it really tried to capture early 70s NYC. I feel as if we all were watching this back then, we would be able to have a greater appreciation of it compared to watching it now... with Scorsese's other films in mind, with other NY films in mind, etc., it might weaken our perception of its impact and quality compared to viewing it at its release.

On it's own I give it a 7.5/10 but I bump it up a point because it is early Scorsese and the influence of the film as well as the growth of Scorsese warrants some extra credit

8.5/10

 

[big j 33]

Originally Posted by lawdog1

I saw Cars 2 on Friday with my son.  It may be Pixar's worst movie, but that doesn't make it a bad movie by any means.  I still enjoyed it quite a bit.  Visually, its amazing.  The story leaves a little something to be desired and I thought the climax scene dragged on a little too long, but it definitely keeps you entertained and has plenty of laughs.  Its a much different film than the original in terms of story and scope.  So, someone who didn't like the first could still like the sequel.    

  
That's for the input, that's good to know. I'll probably check it out.
Mean Streets

Count me in the group that loved the soundtrack. If this film was done 20 years later and the sound was sharper and not as abrupt, I don't think it would be an issue. From the opening song I knew it was Scorsese film and loved the song choice.

I loved catching the early signature Scorsese moments, the music, the camera shots, and other random things here and there. The writing was clever, the acting was great, and it really tried to capture early 70s NYC. I feel as if we all were watching this back then, we would be able to have a greater appreciation of it compared to watching it now... with Scorsese's other films in mind, with other NY films in mind, etc., it might weaken our perception of its impact and quality compared to viewing it at its release.

On it's own I give it a 7.5/10 but I bump it up a point because it is early Scorsese and the influence of the film as well as the growth of Scorsese warrants some extra credit

8.5/10

 

[mronegative]

Yea....I liked the way Mean Streets uses music, too.

CP had me thinking it'd be on a Sucker Punch level of abusing and misusing music (some of the hell/Marcellus Wallace bar music was just thrown out there though). But as the movie kept going it worked better and better. The whole movies gets better made from the second Charlie gets to see them ******* on. From the style that it's shot with, the situations, the music and the timing...all of it just gets better.

Probably reaching, but the movie sorta reminds me of The Wackness...but a little more ambitious, mature and gritty and less sensational.

 

[mronegative]

Yea....I liked the way Mean Streets uses music, too.

CP had me thinking it'd be on a Sucker Punch level of abusing and misusing music (some of the hell/Marcellus Wallace bar music was just thrown out there though). But as the movie kept going it worked better and better. The whole movies gets better made from the second Charlie gets to see them ******* on. From the style that it's shot with, the situations, the music and the timing...all of it just gets better.

Probably reaching, but the movie sorta reminds me of The Wackness...but a little more ambitious, mature and gritty and less sensational.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Originally Posted by Big J 33

Count me in the group that loved the soundtrack. If this film was done 20 years later and the sound was sharper and not as abrupt, I don't think it would be an issue. From the opening song I knew it was Scorsese film and loved the song choice.
I loved catching the early signature Scorsese moments, the music, the camera shots, and other random things here and there. The writing was clever, the acting was great, and it really tried to capture early 70s NYC. I feel as if we all were watching this back then, we would be able to have a greater appreciation of it compared to watching it now... with Scorsese's other films in mind, with other NY films in mind, etc., it might weaken our perception of its impact and quality compared to viewing it at its release.

On it's own I give it a 7.5/10 but I bump it up a point because it is early Scorsese and the influence of the film as well as the growth of Scorsese warrants some extra credit

8.5/10

I feel like you have to watch this paired with Taxi Driver to really capture, appreciate and enjoy (12 year old prostie's aside) NY life in the 70s.

some of the hell/Marcellus Wallace bar music was just thrown out there though
It's definitely rough but I love watching this compared to Marty's later films and seeing him find his ear. 

Off topic but I just saw a commercial for some crappy Nicholas Cage movie: Season of the Witch...what the hell happened to the dude? His uncle directed 2 of the greatest movies of all time, how is he not using that to his benefit? I understand the whole have your own legacy (unfortunately his revolves around Conan's terror warning bits) and he's probably only making these movies for the money, but still dude, have some pride, make amends with whoever you pissed off and do some decent movies

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Originally Posted by Big J 33

Count me in the group that loved the soundtrack. If this film was done 20 years later and the sound was sharper and not as abrupt, I don't think it would be an issue. From the opening song I knew it was Scorsese film and loved the song choice.
I loved catching the early signature Scorsese moments, the music, the camera shots, and other random things here and there. The writing was clever, the acting was great, and it really tried to capture early 70s NYC. I feel as if we all were watching this back then, we would be able to have a greater appreciation of it compared to watching it now... with Scorsese's other films in mind, with other NY films in mind, etc., it might weaken our perception of its impact and quality compared to viewing it at its release.

On it's own I give it a 7.5/10 but I bump it up a point because it is early Scorsese and the influence of the film as well as the growth of Scorsese warrants some extra credit

8.5/10

I feel like you have to watch this paired with Taxi Driver to really capture, appreciate and enjoy (12 year old prostie's aside) NY life in the 70s.

some of the hell/Marcellus Wallace bar music was just thrown out there though
It's definitely rough but I love watching this compared to Marty's later films and seeing him find his ear. 

Off topic but I just saw a commercial for some crappy Nicholas Cage movie: Season of the Witch...what the hell happened to the dude? His uncle directed 2 of the greatest movies of all time, how is he not using that to his benefit? I understand the whole have your own legacy (unfortunately his revolves around Conan's terror warning bits) and he's probably only making these movies for the money, but still dude, have some pride, make amends with whoever you pissed off and do some decent movies

 

[duba169]

cage stopped caring about being a good actor yeeeeears ago. i'm pretty sure he spends an insane amount of money and takes whatever crap will get him paid



Actor Nicolas Cage's films have grossed a collective $3.9 billion in worldwide box office receipts. Today, though, the Oscar winner owes $6 million in back taxes; in October, he sued his former money manager for $20 million, saying he was led "down a path of financial ruin," according to court documents.

See photos of stars having their day in court

How did he do it?

Bad financial advice or not, Cage, 45, lived a super-sized life. While most of his possessions are now for sale, already sold or in foreclosure, the star once owned a staggering -- and bizarre -- array of, well, stuff.

Check out today's hottest celeb photos

Among Cage's many, many expenditures -- as tabulated by New York magazine -- were the following:

One jet and two yachts.

In 2007, he outbid Leonardo DiCaprio for a dinosaur skull, shelling out $276,000 for the artifact.

His homes included three castles -- plus two islands in the Bahamas. Among his "dozen or so" mansions, one Bel Air home, purchased in 1998, features a billiard room with a 1955 Jaguar parked inside plus an array of "shrunken heads."

Out of his 50 cars, the most Cage ever shelled out was $495,000 on Lamborghini -- used. (Its former owner was the shah of Iran.)

Look back on these star scandals

Obsessed with superheroes (he was once set to star in a Superman sequel), he sold his comics collection in 1997 for $1.6 million.

While portraying an alcoholic in Leaving Las Vegas (his Oscar-winning role) in 1995, he hired an "on set drinking-consultant-poet."

He's not merely a big spender when it comes to himself, either. He proposed to Patricia Arquette upon their first meeting in 1987. The actress refused, and Cage suggested he go on a "quest" to prove his love. Arquette challenged Cage to track down a laundry list of odd items: an autograph from author JD Salinger, a "Bob's Big Boy" statue and a Tibetan wedding dress. Cage fulfilled his "quest," but it took him another eight years to convince Arquette marry him in 1995. (They divorced six years later.)

 

[duba169]

cage stopped caring about being a good actor yeeeeears ago. i'm pretty sure he spends an insane amount of money and takes whatever crap will get him paid



Actor Nicolas Cage's films have grossed a collective $3.9 billion in worldwide box office receipts. Today, though, the Oscar winner owes $6 million in back taxes; in October, he sued his former money manager for $20 million, saying he was led "down a path of financial ruin," according to court documents.

See photos of stars having their day in court

How did he do it?

Bad financial advice or not, Cage, 45, lived a super-sized life. While most of his possessions are now for sale, already sold or in foreclosure, the star once owned a staggering -- and bizarre -- array of, well, stuff.

Check out today's hottest celeb photos

Among Cage's many, many expenditures -- as tabulated by New York magazine -- were the following:

One jet and two yachts.

In 2007, he outbid Leonardo DiCaprio for a dinosaur skull, shelling out $276,000 for the artifact.

His homes included three castles -- plus two islands in the Bahamas. Among his "dozen or so" mansions, one Bel Air home, purchased in 1998, features a billiard room with a 1955 Jaguar parked inside plus an array of "shrunken heads."

Out of his 50 cars, the most Cage ever shelled out was $495,000 on Lamborghini -- used. (Its former owner was the shah of Iran.)

Look back on these star scandals

Obsessed with superheroes (he was once set to star in a Superman sequel), he sold his comics collection in 1997 for $1.6 million.

While portraying an alcoholic in Leaving Las Vegas (his Oscar-winning role) in 1995, he hired an "on set drinking-consultant-poet."

He's not merely a big spender when it comes to himself, either. He proposed to Patricia Arquette upon their first meeting in 1987. The actress refused, and Cage suggested he go on a "quest" to prove his love. Arquette challenged Cage to track down a laundry list of odd items: an autograph from author JD Salinger, a "Bob's Big Boy" statue and a Tibetan wedding dress. Cage fulfilled his "quest," but it took him another eight years to convince Arquette marry him in 1995. (They divorced six years later.)

 

[jpzx]

I'll try to get to Mean Streets tonight as well... however, I had an accidental Tom Cruise marathon today. Two movies I had on my DVR from the beginning of the month that I had to get through.

Born On The Fourth Of July

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Spoiler [+]

Spoiler

The tumultuous downward spiral of Tom Cruise. Err... I mean Ron Kovic.

I will admit that there weren't many "fun" moments in this movie, but if you go in thinking there would be, you really need to gain some perspective. However, that doesn't mean it wasn't an enjoyable and quality flick. Of all the Tom Cruise-led movies I have seen, I would say this one takes the cake. In a sea of bad acting performances, this was an exception. You really believed he was struggling to figure out who he was while simultaneously coping with the past. The character development was fantastic. Kovic started as a an all-out patriotic "young buck" (last time I will ever use that phrase) and he ended up being a national symbol for the anti-war movement.

Kyra Sedgewick does nothing for me. Absolutely nothing.
Willem Dafoe was a pleasant surprise. He's one of my most underrated actors... but to be honest, while it was nice to see him, he was a tad unnecessary.

I can't lie... I busted out laughing when Tom Cruise yells out in front of his whole family "BIG ERECTED PENIS!!"

7.5/10

All The Right Moves

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This film was just okay for me. I thought the football scenes were actually done well... but still some of the things that happened in the game were a little far-fetched.

The Coach (played by Craig T. Nelson) was a *+#$%*% ****. I hate coaches like that man... I get that you have to go all out for the win, but damn. And !%*%, you're up 14-10 on your own 2-yard line with five seconds to go, and you run the freaking ball? No, no no. Take the safety, make the score 14-12, and punt the ball to them. Game over.

And what did he do after the game, went into the locker room and blamed the loss on Salvucci

... yeah, it's just a movie. But still

Then Djordjevic (played by Cruise) tried to stand up for Salvucci and none of his teammates backed him? What the hell? They should have pulled a "Rudy" and walked into the coaches office, laid their jersey's on the desk, and said "If Djordjevic doesn't play, none of us do". Then making him ride the cheerleaders bus

Glad the end worked out like it did. I either thought Cruise would have to get a scholarship somehow, or commit suicide. Those were the only two options I could see for it to be a decent movie

Luckily, one of them came true.

Chris Penn when he was somewhat skinny

... RIP.

6/10

 

[jpzx]

I'll try to get to Mean Streets tonight as well... however, I had an accidental Tom Cruise marathon today. Two movies I had on my DVR from the beginning of the month that I had to get through.

Born On The Fourth Of July

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler [+]

Spoiler

The tumultuous downward spiral of Tom Cruise. Err... I mean Ron Kovic.

I will admit that there weren't many "fun" moments in this movie, but if you go in thinking there would be, you really need to gain some perspective. However, that doesn't mean it wasn't an enjoyable and quality flick. Of all the Tom Cruise-led movies I have seen, I would say this one takes the cake. In a sea of bad acting performances, this was an exception. You really believed he was struggling to figure out who he was while simultaneously coping with the past. The character development was fantastic. Kovic started as a an all-out patriotic "young buck" (last time I will ever use that phrase) and he ended up being a national symbol for the anti-war movement.

Kyra Sedgewick does nothing for me. Absolutely nothing.
Willem Dafoe was a pleasant surprise. He's one of my most underrated actors... but to be honest, while it was nice to see him, he was a tad unnecessary.

I can't lie... I busted out laughing when Tom Cruise yells out in front of his whole family "BIG ERECTED PENIS!!"

7.5/10

All The Right Moves

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler [+]

Spoiler

This film was just okay for me. I thought the football scenes were actually done well... but still some of the things that happened in the game were a little far-fetched.

The Coach (played by Craig T. Nelson) was a *+#$%*% ****. I hate coaches like that man... I get that you have to go all out for the win, but damn. And !%*%, you're up 14-10 on your own 2-yard line with five seconds to go, and you run the freaking ball? No, no no. Take the safety, make the score 14-12, and punt the ball to them. Game over.

And what did he do after the game, went into the locker room and blamed the loss on Salvucci

... yeah, it's just a movie. But still

Then Djordjevic (played by Cruise) tried to stand up for Salvucci and none of his teammates backed him? What the hell? They should have pulled a "Rudy" and walked into the coaches office, laid their jersey's on the desk, and said "If Djordjevic doesn't play, none of us do". Then making him ride the cheerleaders bus

Glad the end worked out like it did. I either thought Cruise would have to get a scholarship somehow, or commit suicide. Those were the only two options I could see for it to be a decent movie

Luckily, one of them came true.

Chris Penn when he was somewhat skinny

... RIP.

6/10

 

[CP1708]

Originally Posted by Big J 33



Mean Streets

Count me in the group that loved the soundtrack. If this film was done 20 years later and the sound was sharper and not as abrupt, I don't think it would be an issue. From the opening song I knew it was Scorsese film and loved the song choice.

I loved catching the early signature Scorsese moments, the music, the camera shots, and other random things here and there. The writing was clever, the acting was great, and it really tried to capture early 70s NYC. I feel as if we all were watching this back then, we would be able to have a greater appreciation of it compared to watching it now... with Scorsese's other films in mind, with other NY films in mind, etc., it might weaken our perception of its impact and quality compared to viewing it at its release.

On it's own I give it a 7.5/10 but I bump it up a point because it is early Scorsese and the influence of the film as well as the growth of Scorsese warrants some extra credit

8.5/10

Ok, you make a very good point there, and it's partially why I said I get and understand that it was just the beginning and would show us what is to come in the future, HOWEVER, as a stand alone movie, as just this one movie, to give it an 8.5 based on what we all know about Scorsese now is a bit much don't you think? 

  8.5?  What does that make Goodfellas and Casino, 12's? 14's? 

 

I really do like your point about if we all watched this in 73 though, I do see what you are saying, and that's a tough thing to quantify.  It's not unlike arguing basketball and sayin Wilt would never dominate now like he did then, and vice versa. 

  Nic Cage.  That guy went on a helluva run there in the late 90's, and now I just have no idea where his head is at.  Season of the Witch was actually, semi ok, Drive Angry was BRUTAL to watch, and everything else the last few years has been lacking.  Dude needs to put in a call to Tarantino STAT. 


I will try to keep all the rankings then of each movie, I'll find a spot for them somewhere.  And I vote for Strangers on a Train.....

 

*whistling*

  

 

[CP1708]

Originally Posted by Big J 33



Mean Streets

Count me in the group that loved the soundtrack. If this film was done 20 years later and the sound was sharper and not as abrupt, I don't think it would be an issue. From the opening song I knew it was Scorsese film and loved the song choice.

I loved catching the early signature Scorsese moments, the music, the camera shots, and other random things here and there. The writing was clever, the acting was great, and it really tried to capture early 70s NYC. I feel as if we all were watching this back then, we would be able to have a greater appreciation of it compared to watching it now... with Scorsese's other films in mind, with other NY films in mind, etc., it might weaken our perception of its impact and quality compared to viewing it at its release.

On it's own I give it a 7.5/10 but I bump it up a point because it is early Scorsese and the influence of the film as well as the growth of Scorsese warrants some extra credit

8.5/10

Ok, you make a very good point there, and it's partially why I said I get and understand that it was just the beginning and would show us what is to come in the future, HOWEVER, as a stand alone movie, as just this one movie, to give it an 8.5 based on what we all know about Scorsese now is a bit much don't you think? 

  8.5?  What does that make Goodfellas and Casino, 12's? 14's? 

 

I really do like your point about if we all watched this in 73 though, I do see what you are saying, and that's a tough thing to quantify.  It's not unlike arguing basketball and sayin Wilt would never dominate now like he did then, and vice versa. 

  Nic Cage.  That guy went on a helluva run there in the late 90's, and now I just have no idea where his head is at.  Season of the Witch was actually, semi ok, Drive Angry was BRUTAL to watch, and everything else the last few years has been lacking.  Dude needs to put in a call to Tarantino STAT. 


I will try to keep all the rankings then of each movie, I'll find a spot for them somewhere.  And I vote for Strangers on a Train.....

 

*whistling*

  

 

[pmatic]

 

[pmatic]

 

[CP1708]

Justice League, the movie? Warner chief sets sights on team-up film and ‘reinventing’ Batman
Jeff Robinov is already thinking about DC Comics movies for 2013 and beyond, and he’s got “Justice League

 

[CP1708]

Justice League, the movie? Warner chief sets sights on team-up film and ‘reinventing’ Batman
Jeff Robinov is already thinking about DC Comics movies for 2013 and beyond, and he’s got “Justice League

 

[mronegative]

Nice trailer

Boardwalk Empire would be such a better show if they didn't cast Steve Buscemi. He'll never be this guy and that hurts a lot of scenes. At the end of the day, these shows begin and end with the patriarch, and even if he says the right words and has the right support, he can't sell it....Michael Pitt puts in work though....Hope they spend more time with everyone, but Nucky this season. Less is more with dude.


Nic Cage

... I heard about the dinosaur egg, but not the islands and mansions.

mega-millionaire living like a billionaire.

And now he's gotta Uwe Boll himself.

At least Kick-@+@ and Bad Lieutenant show there's still something left in there. And I didn't hate Knowing.


I bet Mean Streets had a Boyz N Tha Hood type impact when it came out.
And Justice League

%@*# DC. (Nolan's Batman is an exception to the rule) Maybe I'll see Superman a week or two late, but that's it. Not one bit of faith, even if Nolan produces them.

 

[mronegative]

Nice trailer

Boardwalk Empire would be such a better show if they didn't cast Steve Buscemi. He'll never be this guy and that hurts a lot of scenes. At the end of the day, these shows begin and end with the patriarch, and even if he says the right words and has the right support, he can't sell it....Michael Pitt puts in work though....Hope they spend more time with everyone, but Nucky this season. Less is more with dude.


Nic Cage

... I heard about the dinosaur egg, but not the islands and mansions.

mega-millionaire living like a billionaire.

And now he's gotta Uwe Boll himself.

At least Kick-@+@ and Bad Lieutenant show there's still something left in there. And I didn't hate Knowing.


I bet Mean Streets had a Boyz N Tha Hood type impact when it came out.
And Justice League

%@*# DC. (Nolan's Batman is an exception to the rule) Maybe I'll see Superman a week or two late, but that's it. Not one bit of faith, even if Nolan produces them.

 

[big j 33]

Goodfellas is a 10, Casino probably 9.5-8.

8.5 is a very good to great film, and yeah I added weight for its importance and cultural significance. Not only for Scorsese but in general.

 

[big j 33]

Goodfellas is a 10, Casino probably 9.5-8.

8.5 is a very good to great film, and yeah I added weight for its importance and cultural significance. Not only for Scorsese but in general.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Man Buscemi's that dude Blood Type, one of the reasons why I loved Boardwalk.

Didn't know Cage owned 2 islands in the Bahamas either, dude is too much

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Man Buscemi's that dude Blood Type, one of the reasons why I loved Boardwalk.

Didn't know Cage owned 2 islands in the Bahamas either, dude is too much