* Offiical NBA Off-Season Thread: I'll give one of my damn kidney's for these Melo rumors to stop *

[Retroballer]

Originally Posted by rayray3thousand

Bron and Amare would be ideal.  Bron and Bosh would be sweet.  But this would be AMAZING...

DO IT DONNIE!!!

 

[al3xis]

after Brook Lopez, what on the Nets roster is THAT attractive? In particular when you wouldn't look for a PG (Harris) in return.

A handful of grossly overrated young wings, I guess.

 

[jpzx]

Originally Posted by franchise3

Granger is gonna take more than #16 + #23 though, assuming Flynn can be had for #10

While you're probably right, don't you think the deal sounds funny to you? I mean, you're the one that posted the twitter that the Pacers offered the Timberwolves #10 for Flynn which they rejected.... and all of a sudden the Timberwolves are offering Flynn, the #16, and the #23 for the #10? How does that make any sense?

One of these deals is very off. There has to be more to the latest trade rumor, or else that twitter by that random Pacers blogger that you posted earlier in the day has no idea what he's talking about.

Something doesn't add up.

 

[jpzx]

The Minnesota Timberwolves rejected the Indiana Pacers' offer to trade the No. 10 overall pick in Thursday's NBA draft for Wolves point guard Jonny Flynn, Minnesota president of basketball operations David Kahn said today.

"They called last week," Kahn said of the Pacers. "We turned it down in a second."

So why would we offer them Flynn 16 and 23 for just the #10? That Adrian Woj hackjob from Yahoo is blowing $!%$ out of his @*#.

 

[franchise3]

That's the thing though. It's either mis-information, or a true blockbuster. That'd probably involve Love or Al Jeff. I just don't know how the Indy fan base can justify giving up one of their most promising players in awhile, for 2 first rounders. But if Minny can pull it off somehow..

 

[japanair21]

I really don't like the guy at all, but Chris Paul has been treated like crap by NOH management it seems.

WHY would this man's name come up so often in trade rumors.

He's pretty much the creme de la creme of point guards, he's young, he can shoot, he can pass, what the hell does New Orleans want?

If they want to try and chase LeBron by giving away Chris Paul, be my guest, morons.

 

[i nasmatic i]

Ummm the only time Chris Paul is brought up in trades is when the national media is trying to start a rumor and fans thinking Darren Collison is better long term because he's still on a rookie contract.

 

[bangdak]

I dont believe any of it.

I dont see Kahn giving up on Flynn just yet, especially since hes so high on him, unless he has a guarantee from Rubio that he'll be coming over.


I remember at the trade deadline, a rumor about something like Al Jeff for Granger, and some other filler contracts to make everything work out.

What i predict: Flynn + Al Jeff +23 for Granger + 10 + TJ Ford maybe?

I'll like it for both sides, although i dont see how a Hibbert, Murphy, Al Jeff rotation would work out.

 

[executive76]

[h1]http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wi...21/nugetts_extend_qualifying_offer_to_kleiza/[/h1]

[h1]Nuggets Extend Qualifying Offer To Kleiza[/h1]

The Denver Nuggets have made a qualifying offer to restricted free agent Linas Kleiza, Nuggets Vice President of Basketball Operations Mark Warkentien announced today. Per team policy, terms of the offer were not released.

Kleiza, 6-8, 245, averaged 8.3 ppg and 3.5 rpg in 301 games with the Nuggets in four seasons (2005-2009) with the team since being acquired in a draft-night trade with Portland on June 28, 2005. During the 2008-09 season, his most recent season with the Nuggets, he posted averages of 9.9 ppg and 4.0 rpg in 22.2 mpg.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wi...end_qualifying_offer_to_kleiza/#ixzz0rXkUh6Ft





I hope they make the man a decent offer. seeing as how the Nuggets could have really used him when Kmart/Melo were down.

 

[japanair21]

Originally Posted by I NaSmatic I

Ummm the only time Chris Paul is brought up in trades is when the national media is trying to start a rumor and fans thinking Darren Collison is better long term because he's still on a rookie contract.

I could have sworn I've seen at least 3-4 rumors about management possibly heading in a different direction.

 

[steve cash]

If Pacers even think about trading Granger

 

[steve cash]

Originally Posted by JPZx

The Minnesota Timberwolves rejected the Indiana Pacers' offer to trade the No. 10 overall pick in Thursday's NBA draft for Wolves point guard Jonny Flynn, Minnesota president of basketball operations David Kahn said today.

"They called last week," Kahn said of the Pacers. "We turned it down in a second."

So why would we offer them Flynn 16 and 23 for just the #10? That Adrian Woj hackjob from Yahoo is blowing $!%$ out of his @*#.

its most likely for an expiring on the pacers or something, maybe Ford or Rush is what i think IMO. Not a chance its Granger, they could get much more for him easily.

 

[bhzmafia14]

There is nothing you can get in return for him that would equal his value. I suppose of the teams mentioned in the article, we are the only team that have the assets to make a trade, unless of course Portland decides to trade Roy for Paul.

A young solid starter (Mayo), a huge expiring (Randolph), and a draft pick for CP3, a huge salary, and whatever else to make it work is about as much as they can expect in return. But, I don't believe New Orleans is really looking for value. Its cheap movable assets, much like the Pau deal. 

What I've read even prior to this rumor is that Paul could be on the table if the taker accepts one of the Hornets' bigger contracts to boot. Its just so much crap going on with that organization. #+!# ask KLJ

But, Shinn also had a bad rep in Charlotte and if we can trade Pau with nobody behind him, they can trade Paul with Collison waiting in the wings.

 

[i nasmatic i]

Originally Posted by bhzmafia14

There is nothing you can get in return for him that would equal his value. I suppose of the teams mentioned in the article, we are the only team that have the assets to make a trade, unless of course Portland decides to trade Roy for Paul.

A young solid starter (Mayo), a huge expiring (Randolph), and a draft pick for CP3, a huge salary, and whatever else to make it work is about as much as they can expect in return. But, I don't believe New Orleans is really looking for value. Its cheap movable assets, much like the Pau deal. 

What I've read even prior to this rumor is that Paul could be on the table if the taker accepts one of the Hornets' bigger contracts to boot. Its just so much crap going on with that organization. #+!# ask KLJ

But, Shinn also had a bad rep in Charlotte and if we can trade Pau with nobody behind him, they can trade Paul with Collison waiting in the wings.

*Paging Mike*

 

[bangdak]

If i was NO, i'd ask for OJ + Gasol + #12 for Paul and Okafor, or no deal.



Besides those, i dont see what "assets" memphis really has that is worth mentioning.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

To whom it may interest: Here are the Synergey sports(scouting service NBA franchises use) the rankings for the free agent PF's, basically just gets ppg for each type of situation.

Amare giving more points than the half as athletic Dirk, when isolated..

This doesn't even cover team defense, which Amare is also terrible at, people think this dude is better than Chris Bosh, it blows my mind, he produces barley more than Bosh, with Steve Nash dishing him the rock.

 

[i nasmatic i]

They already got Marcus Thornton who's productive on a dirt cheap contract.

 

[h3at23]

[h1]How to welcome LeBron to Miami[/h1]

By Chad Ford
ESPN.com

Gregory Shamus/Getty ImagesIf Miami has its way, LeBron James will ditch the Cavs' many uniforms and join D-Wade and the Heat.

In recent weeks, I've detailed how the New York Knicks, Chicago Bulls and New Jersey Nets will make their respective pitches to LeBron when July 1 arrives, provided LBJ chooses to opt out of his contract with the Cleveland Cavaliers and look around at his options.

Today, we're heading south to one of the most intriguing potential destinations for King James: the Miami Heat.

While the Knicks and Nets have cleaned house for LeBron, no team has quite done it the way Miami has. On July 1, Miami will have just three guaranteed contracts on its books and a whopping $41 million to spend. The fact that one of the players whose contracts is expiring is Dwyane Wade makes the Heat's scenario all the more interesting.

When Heat president Pat Riley makes his pitch to LeBron this summer, what will he say?
[h3]1. "We can create a Dream Team in Miami."[/h3]
In November, I spoke to a Heat source who put forth an idea that sounded compelling though farfetched: Miami could team Wade with LeBron and Chris Bosh this summer. I detailed the possible scenarios here, but let's review with updated salary-cap numbers given the league's new projections of a $56.1 million cap.

Assuming the Heat re-sign Wade for the max, the team would have $23 million in cap room left this summer. That certainly would not be enough to sign both Bosh and LeBron without each player taking a significant pay cut (each player should be able to earn a max starting salary of $16.5 million). But there are at least three ways to make it happen.

Plan A: The Heat could engage in a sign-and-trade for LeBron or Bosh, most likely Bosh. Sign-and-trades are notoriously difficult to pull off. But they aren't impossible.

If Bosh and the Raptors would cooperate, for instance, the Heat could send Michael Beasley and Daequan Cook and return Toronto's No. 1 pick (owned by Miami) to the Raptors and slide Bosh in under the cap at a starting salary of around $13.5 million.

Of course, we know Bosh is unlikely to agree to a deal that starts at $13.5 million, especially if Wade and James are getting $16.5 million. But what if all three players -- close friends from Team USA -- decide to take a small pay cut to play together? If James and Wade both were to agree to a starting salary of $15.5 million, the Heat could offer Bosh $15.5 million as well.

Plan B: Another way for the Heat to make the acquisition of James and Bosh more plausible -- without the help of the Raptors -- would be to clear more cap space. For instance, they could trade Beasley and Cook to teams that have enough cap space to take on their contracts.

A number of teams will be under the salary cap, and most of them do not have a realistic shot at LeBron, Wade or Bosh. Would they be willing to use some of their money to acquire a player with Beasley's upside? What about a shooter like Cook? Even James Jones could hold some appeal for veteran teams.

Plan C: The last scenario might be the most farfetched because it would require three superstars to take a sizable pay cut. In this scenario, each player would take considerably less than market value in an attempt to leave the Heat enough wiggle room to retain Beasley and/or sign or trade for other supporting free agents in the summer.

How much of a pay cut would it take? If LeBron, Wade and Bosh all agreed to a starting salary of $14 million, the team would be able to keep Beasley and could just waive James Jones. Keeping Beasley on the roster would bolster the supporting cast, but the Heat would still be looking at filling out the roster with a number of players at the league minimum.

If the threesome agreed to a starting salary of $12 million per year, the Heat would have around $6 million in cap room to sign additional free agents. In that case, if they also moved Beasley, they could have around $11 million in cap room to sign role players.

Of the three scenarios, the first is the most likely. As I've reported, the Raptors are open to a sign-and-trade and the Cavs may be too if they know LeBron is going to walk.

So the question really is: Do Wade, LeBron and Bosh want to play together, and, if so, how much?

On the surface the answer seems obvious. They are all friends, have been teammates on Team USA and in the All-Star Game and, together, would headline the most formidable team in the league.

But there are other considerations. Going this route would force the Heat to sign a lot of role players to minimum contracts, weakening the team's bench. It also would eliminate something that LeBron and Wade both seem to enjoy -- playing against each other at the highest level. And finally, while Bosh's game would mesh with both LeBron's and Wade's, less clear is how Bron and Wade would play together. Each excels with the ball in his hands, so with both of them on the floor, there might be a shortage of touches.

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[h3]2. "There's more than one way to create a Dream Team."[/h3]
Riley's pitch to LeBron won't just be about the above scenario, because there's a good chance Bosh prefers the Lakers or has other options in mind.

Even so, the Heat would love to start with a foundation of Wade and James -- and could build on it in a lot of different ways, starting with Michael Beasley.

While the No. 2 pick in the 2008 draft hasn't quite lived up to expectations, he's still developing as a player. Beasley, who turned 21 in January, averaged 14.8 ppg and 6.4 rpg in his sophomore NBA season. He has tremendous gifts, especially on the offensive end, and if he ever gets his act together, he could be a star.

Also, Daequan Cook is a proven 3-point sniper, though he struggled with injuries and seemed to lose his shooting touch last season. As someone who can spread the floor with Wade and LeBron in the game, he could be valuable. And Mario Chalmers, while far from being an ideal starting point guard, is solid coming off the bench.

If the Heat signed Wade and LeBron to max contracts, they'd also still have between $5 million and $6 million in cap room to add another piece to the puzzle.

Or they could explore sign-and-trade scenarios that could land Amare Stoudemire or Carlos Boozer in Miami.

The team also has the 18th pick in this year's draft, where we currently have the Heat selecting Kentucky point guard Eric Bledsoe.

No matter what happens, the Heat will have to be smart and add a number of veterans at the minimum. But with Wade and LeBron on their roster, they should have a pretty easy time recruiting them.

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[h3]3. "The South Beach Special"[/h3]
Riley can also sell LeBron on location. Miami's South Beach is widely regarded by NBA players as a premier destination. The city, beach, nightlife and all-around lifestyle have made Miami an NBA favorite for years, and LeBron is one of its admirers.

Florida is also popular among NBA players because there is no state tax. In 2009, NBA reporter Sam Smith had a tax expert calculate that a player making max money would save around $500,000 per year by playing in Florida. Over the course of a six-year deal, a player would save $3 million in taxes. In other words, just playing in Florida would offset some of the lost income if LeBron and/or others decided to take less than the max to play for the Heat.

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[h3]4. "We are a five-star organization."[/h3]
Expect the Heat to sell LeBron on the organization itself. Micky Arison is one of the most respected owners in the league and has never been afraid to spend or make a big move.

Riley also will be a big factor. Having won multiple championship rings in Los Angeles and Miami, he has as much credibility as any executive in the league. And he's had his greatest success coaching superstars, including Magic Johnson and Kareem in L.A., Patrick Ewing in New York, and Shaquille O'Neal and Wade in Miami, giving him a unique reputation both as a coach and a team president.

Although Riley has been running the Heat from upstairs since 2007, part of his pitch to LeBron & Co. could be a return to the sidelines -- Riley himself has opened the door to that possibility in recent weeks. As we all recall, in 2005 he moved down to coach Wade and Shaq and delivered a championship that season.

If that's what it takes to bring LeBron to Miami, then Riley the executive might just hire Riley the coach one more time.

 

[big j 33]

At least put a question mark next to the Iggy thing in the title, unless I'm missing something that's nothing more than a rumor/unnamed source just talking.

So many rumors and possibilities going on, at least make sure you're not stating it as fact, people could get the wrong idea.

 

[buc em]

Iggy to be traded if #2 is Turner?......and where are you getting this from?

 

[jpzx]

Eh. I misinterpreted the headline on RealGM. It says:

"Executive Says 76ers Have to Trade Iguodala if they Draft Turner...." I assumed they meant a Philly executive. But I guess it's a Western Conference GM. Title change in 3..2..1.

 

[live boy d]

Originally Posted by RetroBaller

Originally Posted by rayray3thousand

Bron and Amare would be ideal.  Bron and Bosh would be sweet.  But this would be AMAZING...

DO IT DONNIE!!!

 

[big j 33]

Originally Posted by JPZx

Eh. I misinterpreted the headline on RealGM. It says:

"Executive Says 76ers Have to Trade Iguodala if they Draft Turner...." I assumed they meant a Philly executive. But I guess it's a Western Conference GM. Title change in 3..2..1.

Yeah, I only mention it because I get caught by the same thing.  Obviously they exaggerate or mislead to get people's attention, gets me too often.

 

[rook]

LeBron to Miami is not happening. I just don't see it, i could be wrong but...No.

CP3 being in rumors aren't surprising though, new ownership wants to start over and Paul doesn't like how the team is headed IMO. You could see a team like the Lakers step up & inquire about him. Also Miami, Cavs could be players for Paul.

Iggy needs to be gone if Turner comes in. Iggy just doesn't have what it takes to be the #1 guy & i'm not tired of it man. Hopefully we can sign a superstar this offseason *praying gif*

 

[h3at23]

Some of ya'll say he's not & that you dont see it happening but LeBron IS GOING TO MIAMI for the DWad3 & Zo's Summer Groove

BOOK IT!