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OFFICIAL Ye fka "kanYe West" x G.O.O.D. Music Thread - ¥$ (AKA YE X TY DOLLA SIGN) - VULTURES 2 (NOW AVAILABLE sorta)
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I think you're all arguing semantics to support your different stances.We all must have VASTLY different definitions of "cultural leader"
Or of "leader". Because doing what for the most part Pharrell did before you, which NO ONE in here has disagreed with, doesn't make you a leader...
In fact.....
If you said "trendsetter" and left it at that, you probably wouldn't even get much argument from me.
Look at the difference between the way Jay conducts interviews and the way Kanye does. And you'll see some of the characteristics that define a leader.And once again, it all comes down to clothes.....This. I mean, I think _'s have gone too far with the female tight jeans and other stuff but kanye is indeed... a cultural leader.
It just hurts some dudes to give him that type of credit.
For instance going back and forth arguing over the meanings of the words "culture" "influence" "trendsetter" and "leader" as if there's a great gulf between the ways you're each using them.
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Ye's faith in himself is literally awe inspiring. Really truly shows you the power behind geniuney believing in yourself in what is that you do.
This man believes in himself so much that it projects to the rest of the entire world and it reciprocates back to him. Even if what he believes in himself isn't true.
This man believes in himself so much that it projects to the rest of the entire world and it reciprocates back to him. Even if what he believes in himself isn't true.
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That's the most important part of the interview but ****** would rather discuss weather he is "cultural leader" and whatever the hell else they are talking about.
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You know what, he does say quite a bit of BS in this 3 part series or whatever. And what he's saying is almost contradictory to the music that he makes, which is my primary focus. (I'm not that well versed in all of his other endeavors, so I try to limit what I say about him with respect to those endeavors)
But, there's something to be said about someone so passionate about whatever it is he's shooting for, or trying to become. Like this man vehemently believes in himself and his abilities almost beyond comprehension. You hear people say they believe in themselves and believe that they can do certain things, and then you hear west talk with the passion, conviction, and utter faith and it almost makes you re-evaluate how much you truly believe in whatever it is that you may (or may not) be trying to accomplish.
For me, he said a lot of bs and was ranting heavy, but that belief in self is something that can't be measured, and it's pretty inspiring/motivational.
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lmao nah chill b.
it makes for good healthy debate.
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How's he trolling
Every Kanye album has set off a new wave in rap . . . Kanye is definitely the best innovator in the hip hop circle.
And this whole argument about clothes . . . whatever . . . at the end of the day, just ask yourself how many trends and things in society can be traced back to Ye . . .
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don't even know what you are trying to get at lol
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I'm a huge Ye fan/stan, but it seems like Ye talks out his *** most of the time. 
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Came in here to say that ******* out his rabbit *** mind. Thank you and good night.
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I'm a huge Ye fan/stan, but it seems like Ye talks out his *** most of the time.
That's because he is
I just appreciate his sincerity and confidence.Like he said in the interview, if you're a Kanye fan you're a fan of yourself.
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We all must have VASTLY different definitions of "cultural leader"
Or of "leader". Because doing what for the most part Pharrell did before you, which NO ONE in here has disagreed with, doesn't make you a leader...
In fact.....
If you said "trendsetter" and left it at that, you probably wouldn't even get much argument from me.
Look at the difference between the way Jay conducts interviews and the way Kanye does. And you'll see some of the characteristics that define a leader.
And once again, it all comes down to clothes.....
You have way to much hate in your heart, it's blinding you. A "leader" isn't about doing it first. It's about making a impact. Civil rights movement had plenty of leaders whom all were pushing the same thing, and many in the same way. It doesn't matter who did it first they were all leaders, not that this is as serious an issue but what your saying is far from fact despite how hard your going. He is not just a trendsetter, cause unlike the jersey era and all that other nonsense you speaking on his effect went way beyond clothes. Pharrell was around for how long? Backpack rap was around for how long? All these things he didn't invent were a long for quite some time. He's who changed the game. Not just sonically cause Pharrell did that, not just clotihing wise cause plenty did that as well. He took things to a level pharrell didn't reach, and no other artist who did it before him took it either. He changed the youth, despite what's going on in his city. He made that sub-genre, the main stream. The positivity that those artist brought to the game, he broke through to the masses. So he is a cultural leader, he made it acceptable to not be a thug. He made it so kids can be positive, and not be different. There's certain aspects you just can't speak on, but anyone in touch with the youth sees the cultural effect. Of course that's not in all areas, because as I said his city hasn't changed much. But interacting with children across the states, seeing this younger generation day in and day out, the difference between now and less then a decade ago is insane. **** all the terrible clothing choices, the not so great music, and the other aspects the older crowd has good reason to disagree with. That change of mentality is something that will last a lifetime, and will effect generations from here on out. That was quite a rant, but to try to downplay that is ridiculous, to allow your opinion to overshadow that is insane.
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Only thing kanye did was lower the bar so that looking different over shadowed the message and content . Fashionable more important than lyrical . A pair of shoes outweighed a dope sixteen
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yo part 3 is gold
why do you think the song ****** in Paris is called ****** in Paris? Because ****** was in Paris!
comparing himself to the girl in wreck it ralph
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Go listen to all my music, it's the code to self-esteem. It's the codes of who you are. If you're a Kanye West fan you're not a fan of me, you're a fan of yourself. You will believe in yourself. I'm just the espresso, I'm just the shot in the morning to get you going. To make you believe that you can overcome that situation you're dealing with all the time.
why do you think the song ****** in Paris is called ****** in Paris? Because ****** was in Paris!
comparing himself to the girl in wreck it ralph
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Go listen to all my music, it's the code to self-esteem. It's the codes of who you are. If you're a Kanye West fan you're not a fan of me, you're a fan of yourself. You will believe in yourself. I'm just the espresso, I'm just the shot in the morning to get you going. To make you believe that you can overcome that situation you're dealing with all the time.
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I don't disagree that this was also part of his effect, but I do disagree that's all he did. He also made it ok to be more fashionable and less gangster. He made a kid in a dope pair of sneakers more appealing to his peers than a kid with a pistol.
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What is most inspirational about Kanye IMO is how vulnerable of a human being he is.
People hear the word "vulnerable" and they think of the term, exposing oneself, being weak. Men are raised to withold their emotions, to not show weakness, and ignore any hit of introspection. This couldn't be anymore true than in Hip Hop in the 90's.
To me, being vulnerable isn't about being weak, Kanye taught me that being vulnerable is a form of power, a deep and subtle form of power. A man who makes himself vulnerable is saying to the world "I don't care what you think of me, this is who I am and I refuse to be anyone else."He's saying he's not needy, and he isn't validated by society's approval. Time and time again Kanye has insulted the public and made a "fool" out of himself on live television, the president even called him a jackass. Being vulnerable means putting yourself in a position where you can get rejected, saying a joke that may not be funny, asserting an opinion that may offend others, requiring you to stick your neck out on the line emotionally in some way. This is what Kanye does best, and what nobody else in his lane has done as well as him. Kanye is the reason why Drake could release an album today about being emotional and wanting to save women, not because it's cool to do so (because it's actually the opposite) but because it's really who Drake is.
Yeah there were backpackers before Kanye. But there were always kids who thought backpackers were cool. There was a lane for backpackers, and a crowd that followed them because it was cool. There was nothing "cool" about Kanye's interview with Zane, 99% of the population would look at that and think "what a douuuche." I don't agree with 99% of what Kanye is even saying in that interview, but I RESPECT and ADMIRE the fact that he does not care what I or you think and is leaving himself totally exposed for the world to criticize him for the sake of being true to himself. No other artist in hip hop has been vulnerable like that.
Illphillip you are so caught up in who did what first, who started this, who started that, it isn't the point here.
People hear the word "vulnerable" and they think of the term, exposing oneself, being weak. Men are raised to withold their emotions, to not show weakness, and ignore any hit of introspection. This couldn't be anymore true than in Hip Hop in the 90's.
To me, being vulnerable isn't about being weak, Kanye taught me that being vulnerable is a form of power, a deep and subtle form of power. A man who makes himself vulnerable is saying to the world "I don't care what you think of me, this is who I am and I refuse to be anyone else."He's saying he's not needy, and he isn't validated by society's approval. Time and time again Kanye has insulted the public and made a "fool" out of himself on live television, the president even called him a jackass. Being vulnerable means putting yourself in a position where you can get rejected, saying a joke that may not be funny, asserting an opinion that may offend others, requiring you to stick your neck out on the line emotionally in some way. This is what Kanye does best, and what nobody else in his lane has done as well as him. Kanye is the reason why Drake could release an album today about being emotional and wanting to save women, not because it's cool to do so (because it's actually the opposite) but because it's really who Drake is.
Yeah there were backpackers before Kanye. But there were always kids who thought backpackers were cool. There was a lane for backpackers, and a crowd that followed them because it was cool. There was nothing "cool" about Kanye's interview with Zane, 99% of the population would look at that and think "what a douuuche." I don't agree with 99% of what Kanye is even saying in that interview, but I RESPECT and ADMIRE the fact that he does not care what I or you think and is leaving himself totally exposed for the world to criticize him for the sake of being true to himself. No other artist in hip hop has been vulnerable like that.
Illphillip you are so caught up in who did what first, who started this, who started that, it isn't the point here.
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We all must have VASTLY different definitions of "cultural leader"
Or of "leader". Because doing what for the most part Pharrell did before you, which NO ONE in here has disagreed with, doesn't make you a leader...
In fact.....
If you said "trendsetter" and left it at that, you probably wouldn't even get much argument from me.
Look at the difference between the way Jay conducts interviews and the way Kanye does. And you'll see some of the characteristics that define a leader.
And once again, it all comes down to clothes.....
I don't understand how Pharrell is getting brought into this discussion? With all do respect, Pharrell is not in anyway shape or form close to as big as an influence as Kanye is sonically, culturally, at all. And if you want to talk sonically, people need to stop talking about Pharrell as an individual, and need to reference the Neptunes, Chad deserves just as much credit. But IMO, what Kanye has accomplished is levels above what either Pharrell or Chad has done and it's not even close.
If you want to talk culturally, Pharrell was never the guy to break boundaries and redefine things. He came into the industry as an "alternative" artist. He was never a pure hip hop artist. He was a co-producer with a partner who was musically gifted (Chad) who sang in a rock band (N*E*R*D.) When he came out in the late 90's and early 2000's, his style was no different than Fred Durst style, so just because he's black he becomes a trendsetter? Pharrell isn't the first black artist to dress like Fred Durst or embrace the skate culture. I don't see anything culturally groundbreaking there.
When I think of cultural trendsetters I think of Kanye. His style, his VULNERABILITY. Kanye was the first artist brave enough to be 100% vulnerable. There would be no DRAKE if there wasn't a Kanye. When I think of cultural trendsetters, another person I think of is Cam. Cam'ron and that whole dipset movement redefined the way people dressed and acted. That whole "swag" movement today, these kids idolized Cam and Cam was really one of the first to bring that whole attitude to the commercial mainstream.
What? What? Bruh... What?
Pharrell was Kanye BEFORE Kanye. Just cause he wasn't running around screaming "Look at me, I'm doing something" doesn't mean he wasn't doing it. The dude was the backbone of Justin Timberlake, Brittiney Spears, Nelly, Various hip hop acts, movie scores, etc. FOR YEARS...
The hell you talking about. Pharrell has done **** Kanye STILL hasn't done. Holla at me when Kanye makes furniture. Does an entire movie score. Come back when Kanye has a full clothing line. Because its something he's crying over so badly right now. Kanye wants to "push" so many boundaries right now, when people forget that Pharrell had his own sneakers and clothing line years ago. With no huge corporate backing. But Kanye is begging for it. Son was basically on his knee's in the interview, "please someone give me money to make clothes!"
If there was no Pharrell, there would be no Kanye. Straight up. Deny all you want.
Being a real artist isn't about crying and wearing your vulnerability on your sleeve at all times.
Kanye is cool. But some people try to make him more than what he is. He's a rapper who has a great team to bounce ideas off of, who can dress really well, and wants to start his own clothing line. Name 1 thing son has done outside of music that Pharrell, Swizz Beatz, Just Blaze, or someone else hasn't done. He's just the most popular right now...
This is what happens when ****** take **** outside of music
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the problem with that argument is you can keep going back and say "if there was no x, there would be no y"
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True, so in that case, if these things root back so far, what is Kanye doing that we haven't already seen?
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Dude said when you see a artist you should be saying "thank you", wow
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it's all about influence, son...you can't try to discredit Ye by saying he wouldn't be doing what he's doing if it weren't for Pharrell and not mention that ****** like Drake wouldn't be doing what they're doing if it wasn't for Ye...
Ye has cultural impact, i don't even know how you cats can argue against it...
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Kanye scored Mission Impossible 3 four years before Pharrell did Despicable Me. I think they only ended up using 2 or so of the songs Ye did for them on the soundtrack, but one of them was the new theme for the movie.What? What? Bruh... What?I don't understand how Pharrell is getting brought into this discussion? With all do respect, Pharrell is not in anyway shape or form close to as big as an influence as Kanye is sonically, culturally, at all. And if you want to talk sonically, people need to stop talking about Pharrell as an individual, and need to reference the Neptunes, Chad deserves just as much credit. But IMO, what Kanye has accomplished is levels above what either Pharrell or Chad has done and it's not even close.We all must have VASTLY different definitions of "cultural leader"
Or of "leader". Because doing what for the most part Pharrell did before you, which NO ONE in here has disagreed with, doesn't make you a leader...
In fact.....
If you said "trendsetter" and left it at that, you probably wouldn't even get much argument from me.
Look at the difference between the way Jay conducts interviews and the way Kanye does. And you'll see some of the characteristics that define a leader.
And once again, it all comes down to clothes.....
If you want to talk culturally, Pharrell was never the guy to break boundaries and redefine things. He came into the industry as an "alternative" artist. He was never a pure hip hop artist. He was a co-producer with a partner who was musically gifted (Chad) who sang in a rock band (N*E*R*D.) When he came out in the late 90's and early 2000's, his style was no different than Fred Durst style, so just because he's black he becomes a trendsetter? Pharrell isn't the first black artist to dress like Fred Durst or embrace the skate culture. I don't see anything culturally groundbreaking there.
When I think of cultural trendsetters I think of Kanye. His style, his VULNERABILITY. Kanye was the first artist brave enough to be 100% vulnerable. There would be no DRAKE if there wasn't a Kanye. When I think of cultural trendsetters, another person I think of is Cam. Cam'ron and that whole dipset movement redefined the way people dressed and acted. That whole "swag" movement today, these kids idolized Cam and Cam was really one of the first to bring that whole attitude to the commercial mainstream.
Pharrell was Kanye BEFORE Kanye. Just cause he wasn't running around screaming "Look at me, I'm doing something" doesn't mean he wasn't doing it. The dude was the backbone of Justin Timberlake, Brittiney Spears, Nelly, Various hip hop acts, movie scores, etc. FOR YEARS...
The hell you talking about. Pharrell has done **** Kanye STILL hasn't done. Holla at me when Kanye makes furniture. Does an entire movie score. Come back when Kanye has a full clothing line. Because its something he's crying over so badly right now. Kanye wants to "push" so many boundaries right now, when people forget that Pharrell had his own sneakers and clothing line years ago. With no huge corporate backing. But Kanye is begging for it. Son was basically on his knee's in the interview, "please someone give me money to make clothes!"
If there was no Pharrell, there would be no Kanye. Straight up. Deny all you want.
Being a real artist isn't about crying and wearing your vulnerability on your sleeve at all times.
Kanye is cool. But some people try to make him more than what he is. He's a rapper who has a great team to bounce ideas off of, who can dress really well, and wants to start his own clothing line. Name 1 thing son has done outside of music that Pharrell, Swizz Beatz, Just Blaze, or someone else hasn't done. He's just the most popular right now...
This is what happens when ****** take **** outside of music
Kanye has also designed furniture. And HAD a clothing line. It just failed because it was more "high end" than what Pharrell did with Ice Cream/BBC and no one was ******g with it at fashion week or for that price point.
And Kanye's Yeezy's are way more respected than pharrells "skate shoes". Hence the
movement of many years ago. It's kind of why Pharrell stopped pretending he was young and down.
As fa as music, that's LARGELY Chad. Pharrell is just the more handsome face of the outfit.
I get your point... it's just not really accurate. Kanye WOULD exist without Pharrell. The parallels you're drawing aren't unique to either of them.
Kanye is considered more influential than all the people you named because he's a million times more successful as a solo artist than any of them could ever be. If what he does is so easy, why have none of them done it?
And then there's this point: the fact that both Drake and 40 have admitted they got their sound from Kanye and 808s.
Again, I get your point PRIME... it's just not really accurate.
You still my boy though.
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I'm not going to debate Pharell vs Kanye because the point has been regurgitated a million times in here already.... Two people can be leaders of a culture even if they share similarities.
I love these kind of interviews because it helps you get into the mind of an artist and why he might do something the way that he does. In terms of himalways having to credit himself that is no different from how greats from any walk of life have to carry themselves. YOU HAVE to tell people yo i'm great at what i do, because if you don't that respect will be decided by someone else.
when i look at the interview between Jay/ lowe & Kanye/lowe i see two guys who want to head in the same direction and have the same thought process only difference is that Hov has a much calmer demeanor because like kanye said he's had his moments where people have told him you can't do this and he's smashed them down numerous times.
I love these kind of interviews because it helps you get into the mind of an artist and why he might do something the way that he does. In terms of himalways having to credit himself that is no different from how greats from any walk of life have to carry themselves. YOU HAVE to tell people yo i'm great at what i do, because if you don't that respect will be decided by someone else.
when i look at the interview between Jay/ lowe & Kanye/lowe i see two guys who want to head in the same direction and have the same thought process only difference is that Hov has a much calmer demeanor because like kanye said he's had his moments where people have told him you can't do this and he's smashed them down numerous times.
