OFFICIAL Ye fka "kanYe West" x G.O.O.D. Music Thread - ¥$ (AKA YE X TY DOLLA SIGN) - VULTURES 2 (NOW AVAILABLE sorta)

[cragmatic]

Interesting take on the Yeezus sessions. Hudson talked about how there were a ton of melodic, "home run" songs made during the Yeezus sessions, but these were all scrapped on purpose. Kanye wanted to make a record that would sound "new" 10 years from now, and avoided the typical melodic songs you would expect.

http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/9157-the-yeezus-sessions/

Great article. Makes you wonder if we will ever hear these other tracks??? Probably not... :\

I don't know why, but I really enjoyed reading what Justin Vernon said... what he said about the Jamaican guy on "I'm In It"

Oh, and yeah that Black Skinhead song ALMOST ruined the song for me.

 

[superantigen]

That Blck Skn Hd vid looks like it was inspired by this:












...

 

[mitchellicious]

Apparently the Black Skinhead video is based on characters from The Sims

 

[thunderchunk69]

He's right about this record sounding like something that coulda come out last decade.  Not that that's necessarily a bad thing.  I'm bout to share this in the Jay thread.

who could have made this album 10 years ago?

I think American music is YEARS behind, but I can't imagine a decent rapper taking the risks that MCHG takes.

 

[meek meals]

That Blck Skn Hd vid looks like it was inspired by this:

...

hahahahaha 

what is this

 

[angels47]

who could have made this album 10 years ago?

I think American music is YEARS behind, but I can't imagine a decent rapper taking the risks that MCHG takes.

Exactly what risks does MCHG take?

 

[Magic33]

The rave reviews state otherwise

What means more, a bunch of nameless reviewers or the publics perception?

Interesting take on the Yeezus sessions. Hudson talked about how there were a ton of melodic, "home run" songs made during the Yeezus sessions, but these were all scrapped on purpose. Kanye wanted to make a record that would sound "new" 10 years from now, and avoided the typical melodic songs you would expect.

http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/9157-the-yeezus-sessions/

Who is going to be listening to this in ten years

Exactly what risks does MCHG take?

Heaven?

 

[angels47]

What means more, a bunch of nameless reviewers or the publics perception?
Who is going to be listening to this in ten years

Heaven?

Elaborate?  Just curious as to what, exactly...

 

[airjordan jb23]

black skinhead video

 

[Magic33]

Elaborate?  Just curious as to what, exactly...

If you don't understand it, that says more about you than the song lacking substance or not taking risk [shrug]

 

[angels47]

If you don't understand it, that says more about you than the song lacking substance or not taking risk [shrug]

Haha, I figured you would come back with something like that.  I never said it lacked substance, I'm just curious as to why you think it was a risk...just a conversation piece.

People take things too personally. 

 

[waitwut]

He's right about this record sounding like something that coulda come out last decade.  Not that that's necessarily a bad thing.  I'm bout to share this in the Jay thread.

who could have made this album 10 years ago?

I think American music is YEARS behind, but I can't imagine a decent rapper taking the risks that MCHG takes.

 

[jking0821]

If you don't understand it, that says more about you than the song lacking substance or not taking risk [shrug]

Haha, I figured you would come back with something like that.  I never said it lacked substance, I'm just curious as to why you think it was a risk...just a conversation piece.

People take things too personally. 

at heaven "taking risks"....please....just stop. Substance is not equal to risk. That song takes no risk. And to pile on the substance pales in comparison to Lamborghini Angels or even the "Angels" remix Lupe did for Enemy of the State.

and to add to the people taking things too seriously....if there is one thing ive learned about music its set your expectations. Idk how people went into Yeezus thinking it was going to change their life. Man for a $10 CD that i bought...im more then satisfied. I knew the lyrics would be mediocre and corny....but the production on this...IMO...is top notch. Thank you Based Yeezus

 

[Magic33]

at heaven "taking risks"....please....just stop. Substance is not equal to risk. That song takes no risk. And to pile on the substance pales in comparison to Lamborghini Angels or even the "Angels" remix Lupe did for Enemy of the State.

and to add to the people taking things too seriously....if there is one thing ive learned about music its set your expectations. Idk how people went into Yeezus thinking it was going to change their life. Man for a $10 CD that i bought...im more then satisfied. I knew the lyrics would be mediocre and corny....but the production on this...IMO...is top notch. Thank you Based Yeezus

What's he talking about on Heaven?

 

[nako xl]

at heaven "taking risks"....please....just stop. Substance is not equal to risk. That song takes no risk. And to pile on the substance pales in comparison to Lamborghini Angels or even the "Angels" remix Lupe did for Enemy of the State.

and to add to the people taking things too seriously....if there is one thing ive learned about music its set your expectations. Idk how people went into Yeezus thinking it was going to change their life. Man for a $10 CD that i bought...im more then satisfied. I knew the lyrics would be mediocre and corny....but the production on this...IMO...is top notch. Thank you Based Yeezus

What's he talking about on Heaven?

Christianity, 5 percent nation, islam, ignorance of accusing him of illuminati association, poverty and contentment (read: lack of drive), education, etc.?

I think people are saying there are no risks because structurally it's still just a looped up sample... It's a traditional hip-hop song.  Subject matter alone doesn't really make the song risky if it's wrapped in the same familiar packaging so people feel comfortable and at home.

A lot of people will listen to Heaven and never realize what it's talking about because the beat sounds like a pleasant RZA imitation.

Also arguing that MCHG is a risky album and then pointing out one song out of 16 tracks doesn't support the argument too much...

 

[angels47]

It would take a lot to be risky in this day in age, and MCGH isn't that.

The only risky thing surrounding MCHG and Yeezus is that they dropped out of nowhere.  But when you have the stature of Jay and Ye, it can be done.

 

[Magic33]

Christianity, 5 percent nation, islam, ignorance of accusing him of illuminati association, poverty and contentment (read: lack of drive), education, etc.?

I think people are saying there are no risks because structurally i
t's still just a looped up sample... It's a traditional hip-hop song.  Subject matter alone doesn't really make the song risky if it's wrapped in the same familiar packaging so people feel comfortable and at home.


A lot of people will listen to Heaven and never realize what it's talking about because the beat sounds like a pleasant RZA imitation.


Also arguing that MCHG is a risky album and then pointing out one song out of 16 tracks doesn't support the argument too much...

Are you black?

 

[trynafeelmink]

Christianity, 5 percent nation, islam, ignorance of accusing him of illuminati association, poverty and contentment (read: lack of drive), education, etc.?

I think people are saying there are no risks because structurally i
t's still just a looped up sample... It's a traditional hip-hop song.  Subject matter alone doesn't really make the song risky if it's wrapped in the same familiar packaging so people feel comfortable and at home.


A lot of people will listen to Heaven and never realize what it's talking about because the beat sounds like a pleasant RZA imitation.


Also arguing that MCHG is a risky album and then pointing out one song out of 16 tracks doesn't support the argument too much...

I see what your trying to say, however that's what hip hop has always been tailored to THE LYRICS and getting whatever you wanted to say off your chest. Just using Heaven as an example i don't understand how it could get any more clear than "question religion, question it all". If A "fan" can't get that over a simple beat compared to say something like "On site" off of yeezus then we are doomed.

If the instrumentation was taken to a radical place that isn't remotely familiar to the hip hop listener (See Yeezus) how would that help the listener understand the song any better.

 

[cragmatic]

^^^

I agree with this guy, if your average person doesn't understand the concept of Heaven, they shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.

 

[ninjahood]

Wack album...wack video..now what?

 

[leclutchjames]

Album wack but still keep up with the thread

Timberland may have had a point

 

[ravagebx]

I actually kinda liked the Black Skinhead vid.

Here's my problem with Yeezus. I feel like Ye is more interested in being avantgarde than making good music. Look at it like this. You know how fashion designers will put out completely crazy isht on the runway b/c they want to be avantgarde and dictate what's fashionable, and experiment? That's what Ye is doing with his music right now. And the media will love it because they love the pretense. The pageantry of it. But for us regular folks who just like nice clothes, the isht looks completely ridiculous. That's how I feel about Yeezus. Not that I think we should be wearing tall tees still but this...

is not hiphop lol.

 

[tay1]

What means more, a bunch of nameless reviewers or the publics perception?
Who is going to be listening to this in ten years

Heaven?

Reviewers. The Public already hates Ye as is.

 

[trynafeelmink]

I actually kinda liked the Black Skinhead vid.

Here's my problem with Yeezus. I feel like Ye is more interested in being avantgarde than making good music. Look at it like this. You know how fashion designers will put out completely crazy isht on the runway b/c they want to be avantgarde and dictate what's fashionable, and experiment? That's what Ye is doing with his music right now. And the media will love it because they love the pretense. The pageantry of it. But for us regular folks who just like nice clothes, the isht looks completely ridiculous. That's how I feel about Yeezus. Not that I think we should be wearing tall tees still but this...





is not hiphop lol.

did you Read the article featuring some of the producers posted a few post back?

Your dead on with your response because that is EXACTLY what he was trying to do with this album.

From Producer Hudson Mohawke

There are a lot of amazing songs that were left off [Yeezus]-- stuff that you might consider to be more melodic or in-line with Kanye's previous material-- purely because they didn't necessarily fit this rough-edged, 90s-industrial-type vibe. A lot of the record is trying to avoid obviousness. Through the entire process of putting it together, there were tons of easy slam dunks, but rather than just going for the hits and having an album that nobody's going to give a **** about in a month or two, he intentionally sidestepped the obvious route each time. I think that's what going to give it more longevity and put it in a category of records that you'll go back to in 10 years time.

From Producer Mike Dean

On Watch the Throne, we were gonna use the hook of "We Are Young" before [Fun.] got it. [Watch the Throne producer Jeff Bhasker co-wrote/produced "We Are Young".]

These guys are absolutely trying to go against everything conventional even if they know that the song is great.

 

[tay1]

And there's nothing risky about heaven. Great don't, but far from risky.