Official Warriors Season Thread

[paul is on tilt]

Originally Posted by GSDOUBLEU

Originally Posted by Paul Is On Tilt

Originally Posted by GSDOUBLEU

Paul, why were you banned?

I'm not the only one in my household that browses and posts on NT. So when someone in my house was banned for trolling, I was linked to him and got banned too because of the same IP address. My old account was deemed a "clone account". I feel it was an unjust banning. I have no control what my brothers and roommates do.

Red is on NT?

Shawn is on NT?

Nope, not them, BDavis5.

 

[TheGodFresco]

Originally Posted by Paul Is On Tilt

Originally Posted by GSDOUBLEU

Originally Posted by Paul Is On Tilt

Originally Posted by GSDOUBLEU

Paul, why were you banned?

I'm not the only one in my household that browses and posts on NT. So when someone in my house was banned for trolling, I was linked to him and got banned too because of the same IP address. My old account was deemed a "clone account". I feel it was an unjust banning. I have no control what my brothers and roommates do.

Red is on NT?

Shawn is on NT?

Nope, not them, BDavis5.

Oh, didn't know he was related/know you. I thought anyone who knew you would have a _____ is on NT sn.

 

[paul is on tilt]

Originally Posted by GSDOUBLEU

Originally Posted by Paul Is On Tilt

Originally Posted by GSDOUBLEU

Originally Posted by Paul Is On Tilt

Originally Posted by GSDOUBLEU

Paul, why were you banned?

I'm not the only one in my household that browses and posts on NT. So when someone in my house was banned for trolling, I was linked to him and got banned too because of the same IP address. My old account was deemed a "clone account". I feel it was an unjust banning. I have no control what my brothers and roommates do.

Red is on NT?

Shawn is on NT?

Nope, not them, BDavis5.

Oh, didn't know he was related/know you. I thought anyone who knew you would have a _____ is on NT sn.

Not related, but we know each other.

 

[japanair21]

Sorry to hear about that Paul, sorta whack.

 

[andrew630]

hopefully YBD comes through with another good game thread tomorrow. Can't lose two in a row.

 

[acidicality]

tomorrow's game should be a great one like last week's game against denver but with different results

 

[enlightened thought]

I think he's doing very well in Charolette (sp?) now that he's settled in.I wouldn't worry about GSW though, you guys ARE still a playoff team.
lol...you don't know how to spell Charlotte.

 

[TheGodFresco]

PIETRUS TO DALLAS?????

Dallas Interested In Pietrus?

January 3, 2008 - 11:08 am

Dallas Morning News - It's no secret that the Mavericks have thought Mickael Pietrus is the sort of player that would fit well in coach Avery Johnson's system. When he was a restricted free agent this off-season, the Mavericks made the obligatory calls to Pietrus' agent if for nothing else than to kick the tires. Pietrus started on Wednesday night, leading some to speculate that the Warriors were trying to showcase him. [READ]

 

[TheGodFresco]

ALSO!! Avery Johnson giving Baron some props, MVP STATUS!!!

He's No. 2: The Mavericks have a rating system for players that takes into account more than just raw statistics.

And their efficiency rating is very positive for Golden State's Baron Davis, Johnson said.

"Davis is playing at an MVP level right now," Johnson said. "In our rating, he's No. 2 in the NBA behind LeBron [James]. So that's pretty strong company."

 

[paul is on tilt]

Originally Posted by GSDOUBLEU

PIETRUS TO DALLAS?????

Dallas Interested In Pietrus?

January 3, 2008 - 11:08 am

Dallas Morning News - It's no secret that the Mavericks have thought Mickael Pietrus is the sort of player that would fit well in coach Avery Johnson's system. When he was a restricted free agent this off-season, the Mavericks made the obligatory calls to Pietrus' agent if for nothing else than to kick the tires. Pietrus started on Wednesday night, leading some to speculate that the Warriors were trying to showcase him. [READ]

Dallas may be interested in Pietrus but I don't see this happening. GMs usually don't trade players to conference rivals.

 

[GreenNGold89]

I hope we get rid of Pietrus for a PG.

 

[jdmfanatic]

What would Dallas give us?
Harris? I think Cuban wants to keep that guy. Terry?

 

[paul is on tilt]

I'm hoping we get a big body in return for Pietrus and then we can sign Payton off the FA. That way, we can fill two needs for us.

 

[cheezybaby]

hope we can get dampier!!

 

[TheGodFresco]

Originally Posted by Paul Is On Tilt

I'm hoping we get a big body in return for Pietrus and then we can sign Payton off the FA. That way, we can fill two needs for us.

Brandon Bass? Warrick? Stromile Swift?

 

[livemyreality]

I doubt that Devin Harris would be offered in a deal for Pietrus...If he did, then I would have to learn to like him on the W's squad dangit. But I knowPietrus will be moved soon, besides his OK game in Dallas, he still has been stinking up the joint. Stromile Swift would be a nice addition to the W's...

 

[japanair21]

Cubes isn't a fool, he won't trade for Pietrus if Bass or Harris are involved. If anything, Trenton Hassel, or Juwan Howard, and a draft pick maybe. Ifhe gets traded to the Mavericks, don't expect much.

EDIT: I know you guys don't want Smush, but a move to Miami wouldn't be a bad idea, I'm not sure if they would give up J-Will for Pietrus straightup though.

 

[TheGodFresco]

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Cubes isn't a fool, he won't trade for Pietrus if Bass or Harris are involved. If anything, Trenton Hassel, or Juwan Howard, and a draft pick maybe. If he gets traded to the Mavericks, don't expect much.

Mulson aren't that foolish to trade for a WEAK%@#$ Hassel or Howard.

 

[japanair21]

My point wasn't that it was a good trade, my point was that Mavericks wouldn't give up much for Pietrus, since we have plenty of swingmen. Point was Idon't see him being traded to Dallas.

 

[acidicality]

hey we've robbed the Pacers and Hornets already...let's rob the Mavericks this time.

 

[mjdalegend]

[h2]http://www.mercextra.com/blogs/kawa...trade-pietrus-and-dont-really-want-to-either/[/h2]

[h2]The Warriors don't need to trade Pietrus (and don't really want to, either)[/h2]
By Tim Kawakami
Thursday, January 3rd, 2008 at 2:43 pm in Warriors, NBA.

Random note: I've been away from Warriors typing for a long time, but I have to mention this-in two losses to the Warriors this year, have you noticed that Yao Ming is a combined -37? Fascinating. He just looks awful against the small Warriors swarm. The Warriors' best playoff match-up, I think, would be Houston. The Rockets are just bedeviled by the GSWs.

As in all things involving Chris Mullin's happy trigger finger (oh, I just typed the "trigger" word-Mike Nolan is so jealous!), this post may be rendered null almost the moment I post it.

Doesn't matter. Still going to do it, even if Mullin trades Mickael Pietrus for two piles of old NBA media guides in the next two blinks.

Because I hear all the murmuring about the Warriors and Pietrus, who came back on a one-year tender under severe protest.

I see that Pietrus is providing a lot of the trade murmurs. I understand that Miami has always liked him-though I know not exactly why.

I get that the Warriors are down a back-up point guard after Troy Hudson's hip flare-up and subsequent shutdown.

However, that doesn't add up to an imminent need for the Warriors to trade Pietrus, who is eligible to be traded this week through the Feb. 21 trade deadline.

In fact, if I had to guess, I'd say that the Warriors won't trade him. I'd predict that Mullin will just let him play out his contract-for good or ill-become an unrestricted free agent this summer, and probably wave bye-bye.

Here's why I'm guessing this (pending Miami offering somethiing serious-say, Dorrell Wright-but I don't see the Heat budging from its offer of junk and more junk for Pietrus)…

* Pietrus actually has and can continue to help the Warriors, possibly even in many playoff scenarios.

Look at the roster make-up: Pietrus and Kelenna Azubuike are Don Nelson's only big back-up "two guards," meaning if Nelson wants to match up with an opponent who has two perimeter scorers, Stephen Jackson gets one of them and… either Azubuike or Pietrus has to get the other.

When Jackson takes a rest-and I believe he has to get some more rest time, he's definitely wearing down at 40 minutes a night-it's only Azubuike and Pietrus (with Pietrus as the better option) to defend the better, bigger two-guards.

If Azubuike's having a bad night-and he has them-then Pietrus (who has many bad nights, too) is one of the most important players the Warriors have. And if one of those nights coincides with a Pietrus good game (about one in three), then he's HUGELY important.

Remenber, good two-guards can kill you in this league. You must defend them.

Monta Ellis can't defend many of them-he's too small. Baron Davis shouldn't wear himself down defending them-he's too important on the other side and he's not a very good defender most nights, anyway.

If the Warriors trade Pietrus without getting a mid-sized perimeter defender back in the deal… then Nellie is very thin at one spot he has determinedly kept deep in his time here. That's a big deal that is not being mentioned.

* I hear time and again that the Warriors need a back-up point guard. Yes, they do. But not more than they need options at the back-up wing spots, not in Nellie's system.

There is only one essential point guard in this system and he wears No. 5. The Warriors aren't going to get anybody like Baron to back-up Baron, OK?

Right now, Ellis is OK serving the point in the 8 to 12 minutes that Baron rests. If not Ellis, then Jackson gets time there. Matt Barnes, too. Eventually, possibly, Marco Belinelli can get time there-probably in a year or two.

Adding a bad veteran point guard does not aide this rotation much. Hudson was worth a try, but really, he wasn't going to be very significant even if he stayed healthy.

-If Baron is healthy, he's the difference at point guard. Nobody else is.

-If Baron gets hurt, nobody the Warriors get is going to make a bit of difference.

* The Warriors are a pretty good team right now because they're deep at the wing and can fill around Baron and Jackson-their only two essentials.

Strip down the depth at wing, then you have some problems.

As of now, the Warriors are one of the best 6 or 7 teams in the West, and that's saying something. 11 road victories already? That's the pace of a 46- to 48-win team.

Do you really want to mess with that just because Pietrus is a fickle force?

* The point guards the Warriors might be able to acquire for Pietrus are more problem than they are solution.

I mean, if you understand Nelson's system, you have to know that Gary Payton is NOT THE ANSWER. No way. Too old, too slow.

-Tyronn Lue: Covered him. No. (Anybody who needs 10 dribbles to get a shot-except Baron-is out.)

-Jason Williams: Expiring contract, Miami probably offering him… but no. A turnover machine who can't finish.

-Smush Parker: Another Heat special. No chance.

-Earl Boykins: Too expensive, too stubborn, not even close to a Don Nelson kind of guard, would cause Baron to either mutiny or challenge to a cage match. No chance.

-Darrell Armstrong: Now we're talking. In fact, he was the Warriors' top choice last summer, but they couldn't get Indy to cut him in time. The Pacers conveniently waited for the Warriors to sign Hudson, then the Pacers cut Armstrong, who ended up with New Jersey. Hadn't played much for a while, but recently has gotten some decent minutes. Probably not available.

Anyway, none of those guys are worth Pietrus. Picture it this way: If the Warriors draw Dallas or Phoenix in the playoffs, would any of those guys help? Not really. But Pietrus could get key minutes guarding Josh Howard, Jerry Stackhouse, Grant Hill or Shawn Marion. Maybe he won't do it wonderfully, but he could do it.

* It's standard NBA fare: You must have a back-up point guard! Must! that's Isiah Thomas thinking. That's just the way dumb NBA people think.

(And the way Mike Montgomery thought. These guys are just crippled unless they have a guard who dribbles 12 times while everybody stands around and the coach calls a play.)

I like the way Phil Jackson and Don Nelson think: You should have other players who can take up the point guard responsibility if the stud point guard is missing or needs a break.

Good players can do multiple things. Bad players can only do one thing. People scream for the guys who can only do one thing because you see them doing it-they want SHOOTERS! They want REBOUNDERS! They want BACK-UP POINT GUARDS!

But good teams have guys who do all that stuff, at different times, and the Warriors should be good enough that they can fill in the gaps without ONE VETERAN BACK-UP POINT GUARD.

If Baron goes down for a little bit, Ellis and Jackson can fill in. Maybe you fake it with Belinelli or Barnes.

If Baron goes down for a lot… nothing will save the Warriors anyway. Certainly not a Pietrus trade.

Now, if you can get something decent, not necessarily just a back-up point guard… that's something else entirely.

* The Warriors are OK with letting Pietrus play out his deal and leaving for nothing as a FA. They've already dared him to go once… Why wouldn't they be able to suck it up for a few more months now that it has gotten this far?

Pietrus isn't very valuable-he has already found that out. The Warriors aren't going to take back anybody's problem for Pietrus-they've already proven that.

Likeliest possibility: They share each other's company for the rest of the season, maybe Pietrus gives them key minutes in the playoffs, maybe not, and they part ways in the summer.

Or else Mullin finds a good deal today or in the next few weeks, and this column gets deleted from my memory cells.

 

[paul is on tilt]

^ That article doesn't take into account that Barnes could also guard a 2-guard? We have players capable. I think that Tim Kawakami overvalues Pietrus onthe floor. He makes bone head mistakes after bone head mistakes. He gets on the floor and commits fouls at stupid times. If someone thinks that Pietrus hasvalue and wants to trade for him, I say, TRADE HIM. What's he really good for? Hitting 3's in the corner? What else does he bring to the table?

[h3]Tim Kawakami said:[/h3]

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Baron Davis shouldn't wear himself down defending them-he's too important on the other side and he's not a very good defender most nights, anyway.
Is he serious? Baron may not make it on the All-Defensive Team, but he's capable of guarding 2-guards. He's one our best defenders on thefloor.

A back up point guard may not save our season if Baron is out for a portion of the season, but by having a back up point guard, we can possibly run our offensemuch more smoothly and give Baron more rest, saving his legs for the 4th quarter to take over, which could result in more wins. I'm not saying thatit's guaranteed more wins, but it puts us in a better situation. Also if we have a quality back up point guard and by giving Baron more rest, we can savehis body from the wear and tear over an 82 game season much better.


And I don't really want to depend on Jackson bringing the ball up court. Yeah he's capable, but our offense gets stagnant and it's all isolationplays and pull up 3's with Jackson.

 

[srvballer]

I'll be in the building tonight....Section 108 let's GO

 

[andrew630]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=FirstTrimesterReport-080104

stack jack as the 1st trimester MVP for the west!

 

[gusyouout]

can't wait to see cp3 tonight. hopefully it's a good game because i'm gonna miss a dinner that i really wanted to be at.