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I like to believe it was because of the rampant misogyny but now i'm not sure.
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I like to believe it was because of the rampant misogyny but now i'm not sure.
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Whoever locked that thread was not black or African
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method man? It's strange his race has never crossed my mind. I've always treated him as a mysterious figure who transcends every race, like a deity or sentient computer program.
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yea I agree. i don't mean to say humanities should not be taught at all. as much as I advocate for way more people going into STEM, society cannot progress without the humanities as well. i gotta be honest with myself.
that said, I think it really is relative to the job market. like if you go and study art history, and want to be a museum curator...like how many of those do we need? again this is excluding pursuing a career in academia (but even then..) so I'm saying the amount of students these colleges/universities allow into some of these humanities programs or even the amount of programs that exist I think exceeds the demand.
economically, it isn't sustainable nor productive to output so much workers in fields that have little demand (this applies to any industry). on the other hand, some humanities should be taught universally as part of any general curriculum, like African american studies or sociology. everyone needs to be exposed to black history as american history, to understand the history of social class in this country....and also be taught Charles Darwin, cuz I don't have time for evolution to be viewed is a myth as opposed to a matter of nature or science.
again the universities can greatly impact this by being honest about what field has a positive job outlook. while you may argue that African american studies would be beneficial to someone who pursues social work, that student has to have that in mind as a plan following that. like don't go to college studying that **** for 4 yrs and in your last semester put "African American studies" on indeed.com and see what comes up. it doesn't work that way.
as for STEM, I gotta say, as a country, we are short. by a lot. we don't have enough nurses, doctors, engineers. partly due to the low number we produce, especially compared to countries like India or china. furthermore, i'd STRONGLY argue that a lot of people (not everyone, but a huge number) do not pursue STEM because of a lack of ability/confidence in math. this is especially true for engineering, and even then, some people drop out because struggling thru a program for 4 or 5 yrs doesn't feel like a success.
we gotta be better about that. we gotta fix that. because boomers are retiring that and STEM deficiency is slowly getting worse....
fellow EE
very interesting point. but wouldn't that be a matter of improving lower education entirely? i agree with you and it bothers me too, that someone who can be a person of science...whether it be engineer, biologist, w.e type of scientist...can buy into the ********. its asinine.
makes no sense.
but I'd argue that everyone, in general, should be resistant to falling for that as well. even if you major in English, or...idk...Chinese, critical thinking is essential, and learning how to differentiate fact from fiction should a universal skill. like knowing how to walk.
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yea I agree. i don't mean to say humanities should not be taught at all. as much as I advocate for way more people going into STEM, society cannot progress without the humanities as well. i gotta be honest with myself.
that said, I think it really is relative to the job market. like if you go and study art history, and want to be a museum curator...like how many of those do we need? again this is excluding pursuing a career in academia (but even then..) so I'm saying the amount of students these colleges/universities allow into some of these humanities programs or even the amount of programs that exist I think exceeds the demand.
economically, it isn't sustainable nor productive to output so much workers in fields that have little demand (this applies to any industry). on the other hand, some humanities should be taught universally as part of any general curriculum, like African american studies or sociology. everyone needs to be exposed to black history as american history, to understand the history of social class in this country....and also be taught Charles Darwin, cuz I don't have time for evolution to be viewed is a myth as opposed to a matter of nature or science.
again the universities can greatly impact this by being honest about what field has a positive job outlook. while you may argue that African american studies would be beneficial to someone who pursues social work, that student has to have that in mind as a plan following that. like don't go to college studying that **** for 4 yrs and in your last semester put "African American studies" on indeed.com and see what comes up. it doesn't work that way.
as for STEM, I gotta say, as a country, we are short. by a lot. we don't have enough nurses, doctors, engineers. partly due to the low number we produce, especially compared to countries like India or china. furthermore, i'd STRONGLY argue that a lot of people (not everyone, but a huge number) do not pursue STEM because of a lack of ability/confidence in math. this is especially true for engineering, and even then, some people drop out because struggling thru a program for 4 or 5 yrs doesn't feel like a success.
we gotta be better about that. we gotta fix that. because boomers are retiring that and STEM deficiency is slowly getting worse....
fellow EE
very interesting point. but wouldn't that be a matter of improving lower education entirely? i agree with you and it bothers me too, that someone who can be a person of science...whether it be engineer, biologist, w.e type of scientist...can buy into the bull****. its asinine.
makes no sense.
but I'd argue that everyone, in general, should be resistant to falling for that as well. even if you major in English, or...idk...Chinese, critical thinking is essential, and learning how to differentiate fact from fiction should a universal skill. like knowing how to walk.
I was a biology major but half the courses I took in college had nothing to do with my major and there was a lot of value in that.
Learning a subject you are 1. Not necessarily interested in. 2. Are weak in is an underrated value of going to college IMO. Science and math came easy to me. Learning how to talk and write about art did not.
I thought I was slick and took some social science and humanities courses that were semi about science and medicine (medical anthropology and history of ancient medicine). Those classes kicked my @ss.
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Im so happy this thread isnt a joke thread anymore, but instead about real topics affecting the black community. Love it.
MetalMario
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looks like we know the real winner of KS vs UmarThey locked the Kevin Samuels thread
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Facts
Whenever black people start having a discussion about ways to improve the family unit and progress as a people, outside forces move to shut it down immediately
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Disclaimer: I’m white
I think ‘free college’ in the US is a non-starter at this point but adopting a model like my country uses seems at least more realistic. Our colleges and universities are not tuition-free but they have relatively low tuition. Yearly tuition at our most prestigious university is roughly €900 a year. Financial aid programs for higher education easily cover the tuition of your degree and you can also get partial or full scholarships that lower your tuition to around €200 or around €120.
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Yea I was being a little overly optimistic with the "free college". I do think state schools should be close to no tuition/fees. Private schools are another story. What does 900 translate to in U.S. dollars?
I think a model that could consolidate both state and private schools is provide every citizen with a fund/grant to cover whatever school they get decide to go to based on the cost of said school with the end goal of keeping the out of pocket costs as low as possible. The U.S. has the money to do this, we just don't want to.
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Whenever black people start having a discussion about ways to improve the family unit and progress as a people, outside forces move to shut it down immediately
So much BS in this post.
1. There are multiple black threads on NT right now that haven't gotten locked.
2. There was nothing "progressive" about that thread. It was nothing but ignorance and blatant sexism.
3. It wasn't shut down immediately. they let mad sh#$ in that thread slide for a loooong time.
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College loans should be interest free. They're predatory in nature.
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State schools should be free for most and dirt cheap for all. This will force “elite” private institutions to drop their prices to compete, or offer a product/services that goes above and beyond what state schools are offering with undisputed ROI.
I went to small private tech in NJ. It’s one of the few schools in the country that offers a Bachelors of Engineering. Most years it’s the most expensive college in NJ and I graduated with about $75k in debt after 5 years and 2 degrees. But I also graduated with 2.5 years of work experience due to their coop program, which I then transitioned into steady part time work while I was taking my study terms. Fast word, I graduated, took a job as a manufacturing engineer and nowI’m transitioning into GM of the company at the age of 30.
Don’t get me wrong, a lot of it was luck. The company I work at is a medium sized family owned manufacturer With military and government contracts, but we’re a very niche industry so we happen to be the largest manufacturer of what we do in the whole country. The average age of the professional stay was like 60. I came in at a time where the company was lagging because pretty much everyone there had worked there their whole adult lives. So when I came in with a lot of new ideas it was really easy to see drastic improvements in places there was never any focus. But the reason they hired me was because of the work Experience I had and frankly because I was young and they wanted someone to grow with the company. But I had the work experience because my small private school had the connections with the industry that I wanted. For me the debt I went into was worth it, but that price ceiling can still drop by a significant margin.
I think this New generation of kids (and parents) are skeptical of college anyway so I hope people take the more cost effective routes to put pressure on the system as a whole
I went to small private tech in NJ. It’s one of the few schools in the country that offers a Bachelors of Engineering. Most years it’s the most expensive college in NJ and I graduated with about $75k in debt after 5 years and 2 degrees. But I also graduated with 2.5 years of work experience due to their coop program, which I then transitioned into steady part time work while I was taking my study terms. Fast word, I graduated, took a job as a manufacturing engineer and nowI’m transitioning into GM of the company at the age of 30.
Don’t get me wrong, a lot of it was luck. The company I work at is a medium sized family owned manufacturer With military and government contracts, but we’re a very niche industry so we happen to be the largest manufacturer of what we do in the whole country. The average age of the professional stay was like 60. I came in at a time where the company was lagging because pretty much everyone there had worked there their whole adult lives. So when I came in with a lot of new ideas it was really easy to see drastic improvements in places there was never any focus. But the reason they hired me was because of the work Experience I had and frankly because I was young and they wanted someone to grow with the company. But I had the work experience because my small private school had the connections with the industry that I wanted. For me the debt I went into was worth it, but that price ceiling can still drop by a significant margin.
I think this New generation of kids (and parents) are skeptical of college anyway so I hope people take the more cost effective routes to put pressure on the system as a whole
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Did you go to Steven's? I applied there when I thought I wanted to be a biomedical engineer.
Anyhow yea state schools should cost close to nothing.
And like I said to deal with private schools grants should be provided based on how much the school costs but I think it should be somewhat merit based. Nothing crazy just something to guarantee that if the government shells out money you actually graduate.
My university gave me grants for maintaining a certain GPA and still came out with significant debt.
Luckily I'm in a program and repayment plan thst should erase my debt in a few years but not everyone is that fortunate.
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Did you go to Steven's? I applied there when I thought I wanted to be a biomedical engineer.
Anyhow yea state schools should cost close to nothing.
And like I said to deal with private schools grants should be provided based on how much the school costs.
My university gave me grants for maintaining a certain GPA and still came out with significant debt.
Luckily I'm in a program and repayment plan thst should erase my debt in a few years but not everyone is that fortunate.
I did go to Stevens! Mech Eng with a bio med foucs, grad for Pharmacuetical manufacturing. I both loved it and hated it. Very small school but the black community there is pretty tight nit. Might have been about 70 of us total out of the 1200 or so students there.
I think grants should def be apart of it but the cost of attendence increased something like $12K just in the time i was there. Students cant even plan accordingly because the price the get in at isnt even guaranteed to be the price they graduate that. And aid can be dependent on so many different things. But they can do that because every other school does it. If Rutgers was free, Stevens would have to seriously reevaluate their costs.
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this. higher ed is almost like racism, a system designed to keep people down. you're expected to pay wat...70k a year for a well-known school?...before grants/scholarships/w.e that's 280k for 4 yrs. take out loans to help pay that that would be worth more than the cost of school, all to get a salary of..60k starting? maybe 80 if ur lucky?
reads like a massive scam.
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Yea some of the tuition for state schools are the biggest scams going…They double dippin in ppls pockets with the taxes that fund em, then you have to pay thousands just to go there
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There's always state schools. My school was expensive but honestly most people who went there had rich parents, which is a problem in itself. That's why a lot of the minority students got some pretty nice financial aid packages.
There are some very prestigious state schools out there, the problem is a lot of them are hard to get into eg. The entire University of California system.
I say just go to the cheapest school possible. I know it puts some people at a disadvantage with job opportunities and connections because everything these days is about prestige but atleast you won't end up with debt you can't pay off.
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Whenever black people start having a discussion about ways to improve the family unit and progress as a people, outside forces move to shut it down immediately
Sometimes when black people share information and comments that challenges capitalism and capitalistic intentions on NT, sometimes that information and those comments somehow disappear.
Maybe it is an accidental glitch in the code of the website or something.
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This should be the approach. if you dont get into an elite college which has high ROI, get the degree in the cheapest way you possibly can. it might be difficult to get connected with the first job but once youre in and start your resume, where you went to school holds less and less weight.
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Elite private colleges provide that though (typically with a more receptive alum network and OCR opportunities). Regardless of the price of a regular state school (not elite state schools like UofM, UT Austin, UC Berkeley), there's pretty much nothing they can do to snatch up those students and/or affect the pricing of private universities.
But I do agree that state schools should be dirt cheap for most/all.
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I put elite in quotes cause that is thrown around a lot by non ivy league private liberal arts schools. Not every private school that costs alot is actually "elite" but theyll market themselves as such when it may only be specific degrees from those schools that are above aveage. Realistically the ROI should be specific to the school and the degree program.
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Outside the top 50 universities and colleges, I wouldn't break my bank for a private school. There are exceptions.
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i know that but i am talking about specially private elite universities (NYU, USC)
