Official Umar Johnson Thread

[deusavertat]

Lol I wish this were the 1800s were all I had to do to become a doctor was experiment on random corpses and walk around with a bag of arsenic and mercury.

Instead of advocating for not going to college/university just make it free like every other civilized country in the world but this is UmuriKKKa. There are jobs were you work with your hands that require a formal/well-regulated education.

I love how dude says nonsense then follows it up with fax.

 

[sreggie101]

last generation making more money is...misleading no? i mean the gap between the general cost of living and salaries was much smaller. it's currently absurd if not unsustainable. correct me if I'm wrong tho. maybe I'm pointing out the obvious...

consider the data as such:

Median home value form 1953-2020

Historical US Home Prices: Monthly Median from 1953-2024

See United States historical monthly median single family home prices from 1953-2024. Non-seasonally adjusted values, with and without inflation.

dqydj.com

juxtapose against data here for salaries (this is good data aggregated overall, plus different areas/fields of study/etc)

Salary Trends Through Salary Survey: A Historical Perspective on Starting Salaries for New College Graduates

Using NACE’s Salary Survey report, Andrea Koncz offers a historical perspective on starting salaries to new college graduates from 1960 through 2015. Overall, in real terms, bachelor’s degree level salaries have risen 5.9 percent since 1960.

www.naceweb.org

illustrates strong stagnation

additional charts via the consumer price index can be found here

Average price data (in U.S. dollars), selected items

www.bls.gov

but I think his point about making college work for you, making sure that degree will pay you back is strong. too many people go to college without any idea what they want to do.

that is like buying a Mercedez Benz with nowhere to go.

i also think some majors are not worth the pricetag relative to job market, but that is a diff topic of discussion or thread...

college is def a hustle.

 

[friscostylez]

Instead of advocating for not going to college/university just make it free like every other civilized country in the world but this is UmuriKKKa.

free college will never work in a multi-cultural country. also people forget how big the US is (~330 M)

but I think his point about making college work for you, making sure that degree will pay you back is strong. too many people go to college without any idea what they want to do.

that is like buying a Mercedez Benz with nowhere to go.

i also think some majors are not worth the pricetag relative to job market, but that is a diff topic of discussion or thread...

college is def a hustle.

not everybody can successfully get into a major with good ROI. a lot of people end up with a humanities degree because of this.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

free college will never work in a multi-cultural country. also people forget how big the US is (~330 M)

why is that?

 

[gry60]

but I think his point about making college work for you, making sure that degree will pay you back is strong. too many people go to college without any idea what they want to do.

Even this point is diluted by him saying that if you go to college, you should strive to graduate as an expert.

How many of y'all with degrees felt like you could do everything the first day of your first job? Going into my first job out of college, I felt like a freshman for the first few months, and that's essentially the case for most graduates. There's a reason we talk about "impostor syndrome."

I understand and agree with what he said about striving to be the best in school; however, he is still misunderstanding the goal of college, which is to teach people how to learn.

 

[friscostylez]

why is that?

tribalism

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

tribalism

but why exactly wont free college work because of that?

 

[Brownstone]

How on earth this guy continues to get exposure on breakfast club is beyond me.

 

[deusavertat]

free college will never work in a multi-cultural country. also people forget how big the US is (~330 M)

I think this is a cop out. I've heard this excuse made for many socialist programs Americans can benefit from. Socialized medicine would never work because America is multi-cultural. I usually translate that as, we don't want nice things that other developed countries have because minorities may benefit as well.

 

[friscostylez]

but why exactly wont free college work because of that?

I think this is a cop out. I've heard this excuse made for many socialist programs Americans can benefit from. Socialized medicine would never work because America is multi-cultural. I usually translate that as, we don't want nice things that other developed countries have because minorities may benefit as well.

that's exactly what I am saying - tribalism is the reason why it won't work


edit: i think i'm phrasing it wrong, it won't happen because of tribalism

 

[deusavertat]

that's exactly what I am saying - tribalism is the reason why it won't work


edit: i think i'm phrasing it wrong, it won't happen because of tribalism

There you go, I was about to ask you to rephrase it. It's not that it won't work, bigots just don't want it to work. We could easily take some of the money we spend on our exorbitant wasteful military budget and put our youth through college.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

edit: i think i'm phrasing it wrong, it won't happen because of tribalism

that makes more sense. i can see people resisting enacting it.

 

[sreggie101]

Even this point is diluted by him saying that if you go to college, you should strive to graduate as an expert.

How many of y'all with degrees felt like you could do everything the first day of your first job? Going into my first job out of college, I felt like a freshman for the first few months, and that's essentially the case for most graduates. There's a reason we talk about "impostor syndrome."

I understand and agree with what he said about striving to be the best in school; however, he is still misunderstanding the goal of college, which is to teach people how to learn.

yea if you don't end up finding the cure for...something, or if you end up not getting into NASA's astronaut program, that doesn't mean college was a waste of time. Do your best, but plenty of people make it regardless. most engineers, at least in my school, graduated under 3.0 GPA. well at least in EE. because that mf was hard. but all my friends have found relative success as far as I know.

....buuuut if you go to college and study psy, or English or African American studies...with just a B.S. you likely to end up filling my coffee at Starbucks. unless u trying to stay in academia. college/university will never tell students that cuz that messes with the bag (tuition)

critical thinking, how to learn...should be taught before college honestly lol

 

[friscostylez]

....buuuut if you go to college and study psy, or English or African American studies...with just a B.S. you likely to end up filling my coffee at Starbucks. unless u trying to stay in academia. college/university will never tell students that cuz that messes with the bag (tuition)

people have to realize there are a lot who wanted to do something in the STEM (+business/econ) field but couldn't get into one of those majors

 

[deusavertat]

people have to realize there are a lot who wanted to do something in the STEM (+business/econ) field but couldn't get into one of those majors

People also have to realize some of thes humanities majors they assume are going to end up jobless or working at starbucks is not always the case.

An African American studies major can easily become a social worker working with black people or a lawyer who is an advocate for black civil rights. STEM fields seem like a more direct pathway to a job but the humanities are important. About half of students admitted to medical school are social sciences/humanities majors.

 

[friscostylez]

People also have to realize some of thes humanities majors they assume are going to end up jobless or working at starbucks is not always the case.

i would argue people already know this isn't 100% always true but it's almost always the case that when we see people bring this issue of having a college degree but not translating into employers valuing their degree, it's someone with a humanities degree

 

[gry60]

yea if you don't end up finding the cure for...something, or if you end up not getting into NASA's astronaut program, that doesn't mean college was a waste of time. Do your best, but plenty of people make it regardless. most engineers, at least in my school, graduated under 3.0 GPA. well at least in EE. because that mf was hard. but all my friends have found relative success as far as I know.

....buuuut if you go to college and study psy, or English or African American studies...with just a B.S. you likely to end up filling my coffee at Starbucks. unless u trying to stay in academia. college/university will never tell students that cuz that messes with the bag (tuition)

critical thinking, how to learn...should be taught before college honestly lol

Funny you mention EE, since that's what I studied. however, I got a better understanding of the role and impact of engineering in society through social sciences. One of the reasons I would love to see education be free (or much cheaper) is because by looking at education solely in terms of dollars in vs dollars out, we are robbing future professionals of the analytical tools that will make them better citizens, and we are worse off as a whole. Right now, higher Ed is creating highly specialized people who don't even have a basic understanding of topics outside their field of study. It makes me uncomfortable that I know way too many engineers who buy into conspiracy theories of all types.

Making the relationship between tuition and future income less prominent might incentivize college kids to explore subjects outside of their field of study and truly become well-rounded.

 

[deusavertat]

i would argue people already know this isn't 100% always true but it's almost always the case that when we see people bring this issue of having a college degree but not translating into employers valuing their degree, it's someone with a humanities degree

I think it also depends on the school you go to, if you're going to get a humanities/arts degree better go to a top 50 school. I wouldn't get an art history or archeology degree at North Texas. Languages are a humanities degree that is always useful, especially if you want to work abroad.

If you get a humanities degree have a plan, don't get it just to get it.

I know people who work in med school admissions committees, there is a reason why they love humanities majors. My point is have a plan.

And whatever your major is, have a well rounded education. Even if you major in women's studies take atleast 1 math and 1 science class. Scientific illiteracy in this country is at an all time high.

 

[friscostylez]

I think it also depends on the school you go to, if you're going to get a humanities/arts degree better go to a top 50 school.

essentially you are saying don't get a humanities/arts degree if you aren't in the top ~15% in intelligence & if that's the case, go learn a skill. real convos we should be having but we aren't for reasons we ALL know in here.

 

[combo gd]

The reason Dr. Umar has become as famous as he has is because he is trying to make change within the current system.

If the intention of his school was to teach mental health psychology, his students would understand that perpetuating capitalism is mentally unstable for the masses.

You would then have cool black kids of the future shaming successful capitalists like Jeff Bezos for buying a 500 million dollar yacht today... instead of ending homelessness, hunger, or whatever else sharing his capitalistic success could immediately end... today.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if Dr. Umar stopped talking about and attempting to achieve capitalistic economic empowerment for all, and started talking about and attempting to achieve simple mental and physical health for all.

 

[deusavertat]

essentially you are saying don't get a humanities/arts degree if you aren't in the top ~15% in intelligence & if that's the case, go learn a skill. real convos we should be having but we aren't for reasons we ALL know in here.

Let me put it this way. An archeology degree at columbia may actually get you connections to travel and excavate some exclusive site in the amazon. A less prestigious school may not have that connection. That's if you actually WANT to be an archeologist.

Now if you want to study archeology but also want to be a doctor or lawyer then by all means study it wherever you want.

 

[friscostylez]

Let me put it this way. An archeology degree at columbia may actually get you connections to travel and excavate some exclusive site in the amazon. A less prestigious school may not have that connection. That's if you actually WANT to be an archeologist.

Now if you want to study archeology but also want to be a doctor or lawyer then by all means study it wherever you want.

Care to expand to others what it take to get into those schools? And the types of kids who normally get in?

 

[deusavertat]

Care to expand to others what it take to get into those schools? And the types of kids who normally get in?

I dunno man. Im too far out of college to know.

GPA, extracurriculars, SAT scores (heard they scrapped this), connections (legacy?), pay someone of?

Things are getting more competitive. I joke about it but if I applied to my alma mater today I would've gotten rejected.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

They locked the Kevin Samuels thread

 

[fluid hips]

They locked the Kevin Samuels thread

Damn

Why?