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Khufu coolio in my book. I’ve Been a lot kinder to women not on some simp **** but spitting knowledge from some of his links.
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I agree that this stigma around mental health is most troubling for black people but it’s a very significant problem in general. I do volunteer work for a non-profit that caters to the mental health of students so I get an up close view of how much that stigmatization weighs on people. We host ‘group talking sessions’ for college/university students, moderated by fellow students trained for it by a university psychologist (naturally mostly psychology and med students).I think that this is appropriate for this thread now, so we'll see who is truly struggling with mental illness here...a little something from my face book feed...
Black men Suffer from mental illness: How racism figures in
Horace Howard has been committed to Tinley Park Mental Health Center five times for auditory and visual hallucinations and once to Cermak Health Services, a psychiatric hospital operated inside Cook County Jail, where he was diagnosed with bipolar disorder.
His history of psychiatric hospitalizations notwithstanding, Howard, a 1994 DePaul University political science graduate, refused to believe he was mentally ill.
“Mental illness is a stigma that means you’re crazy, and I’m not crazy,” he said.
Howard, who is 57, exemplifies why mental illness is a silent epidemic among African American men, and why it is difficult, if not impossible, for some mental health professionals to reach black men, even after the men have convinced themselves or have been forced by others to seek help. Daniel Jean, a licensed clinical professional counselor and former director of the Woodlawn Adult Health Center, a mental health clinic where Howard was a patient, said black men equate being called crazy with being seen as violent and dangerous.
“It means they cannot be trusted,” said Jean, of the way society perceives black men with mental illness. “It also means they cannot take care of themselves because they are unstable. African American men don’t believe they suffer from depression; they don’t believe they should cry because they are told to ‘man up’ and solve their own problems.”
The Woodlawn clinic was one of six city-run public mental health clinics closed in 2012 for budget reasons.
Racist roots of mental illness
Although some African American men reject the idea they are mentally ill, the seed of mental illness was planted deep in black consciousness hundreds of years ago during slavery, according to Marcus Murray, co-founder of Project Brotherhood, an informal group of African American men who meet on Thursday afternoons to discuss common problems.
“Black men suffer from post-traumatic slave disorder; it is ingrained in our consciousness that we were slaves, and we watched helplessly as our wives and daughters were raped,” Murray explained.
“The Protest Psychosis: How Schizophrenia Became A Black Disease” by Jonathan M. Metzl also describes this phenomenon. Slaves who escaped bondage were called crazy or mad by plantation owners and physicians, Metzl wrote. “It was well-known, of course, that race and insanity share a long and troubled past,” he wrote. “In the 1850s, American psychiatrists believed that African American slaves who ran away from their white masters did so because of a mental illness called draptetomania. Draptetomania is now considered the edifice of scientific racism. Medical journals of the era also described a condition called dysaesthesia aethiopis, a form of madness manifested by ‘rascality’ and ‘disrespect for the master’s property’ that was believed to be ‘cured’ by brutal whippings. Even at the turn of the twentieth century, leading academic psychiatrists shamefully claimed that Negroes were psychologically unfit for freedom.”
Metzl is director of the Culture, Health and Medicine Program at the University of Michigan. The book, which was published in 2009, is supported by more-recent studies.
For example, a 2011 article in Psychology Today reported that African-American men suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), which is characterized by depression, anxiety, nightmares, insomnia and hypervigilance. The disorder is further complicated by low self-esteem and feelings of humiliation because of daily encounters with racism, including micro-aggressions.
Murray, the co-founder of Project Brotherhood, said, “Sixty percent of black men suffer from mental illness caused by the stress of living in a white world where it is difficult for them to find work so they can take care of themselves. They and their families often live in gang-infested and crime-ridden neighborhoods with questionable police protection. Even black men who are working and living in low- or crime-free neighborhoods also suffer from racism.”
Murray’s views are echoed by Dr. Waldo E. Johnson Jr., a University of Chicago professor and editor of the book, “Social Work with African American Males: Health, Mental Health, and Social Policy.” Johnson said black men often see themselves as being undervalued and viewed suspiciously as criminals, regardless of their circumstances.
Black men Suffer from mental illness: How racism figures in - Social Justice News Nexus
Racism has created a climate where Black men with mental illness can feel stigmatized or "crazy."sjnnchicago.medill.northwestern.edu
The reception has been incredibly positive and the participants often remark that the setting has really helped them feel more normal as they often feel like that stigma prevents them from discussing their mental health with people around them, much less taking the step to see an actual mental health professional.
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I have done volunteer work as well, and the stigma is real. I posted a vid on the Samuels thread of this sister who left the church, because she realized that the belief system was impeding her mental health.
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Khufu coolio in my book. I’ve Been a lot kinder to women not on some simp **** but spitting knowledge from some of his links.
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Interestingly "simping" which "hood speak" for "chivalry" can be considered sexist and patronizing by SOME. I don't think opening doors for women and letting them take your seat on the train is a priority for most feminists. With that being said, I am glad Khufu inspired you to be kinder to your fellow human being.
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On the subject of Religion, these three images have always been extremely powerful to me.
My world view has evolved to a place where it doesn't really matter what someone else's faith or beliefs are (or aren't).
Only thing that matters to me is how they treat me and others.
Religion is not the enemy.
"Sin" is the enemy.
In a religious context, sin is a transgression against divine law. Each culture has its own interpretation of what it means to commit a sin. While sins are generally considered actions, any thought, word, or act considered immoral, selfish, shameful, harmful, or alienating might be termed "sinful".
The fact that a person has no religion does not make them "better" than anyone else.
Atheist's / Agnostics aren't free from "sin".
My personal beliefs on sins is based on Roman Catholic theology (raised as a Catholic):
(1) pride, (2) greed, (3) lust, (4) envy, (5) gluttony, (6) wrath, (7) sloth.
Each of these can be overcome with the seven corresponding virtues of;
(1) humility, (2) charity, (3) chastity, (4) gratitude, (5) temperance, (6) patience, and (7) diligence.
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On the subject of Religion, these three images have always been extremely powerful to me.
My world view has evolved to a place where it doesn't really matter what someone else's faith or beliefs are (or aren't).
Only thing that matters to me is how they treat me and others.
Religion is not the enemy.
"Sin" is the enemy.
In a religious context, sin is a transgression against divine law. Each culture has its own interpretation of what it means to commit a sin. While sins are generally considered actions, any thought, word, or act considered immoral, selfish, shameful, harmful, or alienating might be termed "sinful".
The fact that a person has no religion does not make them "better" than anyone else.
Atheist's / Agnostics aren't free from "sin".
My personal beliefs on sins is based on Roman Catholic theology (raised as a Catholic):
(1) pride, (2) greed, (3) lust, (4) envy, (5) gluttony, (6) wrath, (7) sloth.
Each of these can be overcome with the seven corresponding virtues of;
(1) humility, (2) charity, (3) chastity, (4) gratitude, (5) temperance, (6) patience, and (7) diligence.
I was raised Roman Catholic and can attest to the fact that the biggest sinners and hypocrites are very devout Catholics.
This is the same catholic church that sanctioned the holocaust, the crusades,and European colonialism. I don't like the idea of an institution with that much blood on its hands preaching to me about "sin".
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As a Catholic myself I can agree with all of this. And that goes for leadership and parishioners.
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You do realize that in ATR’s neither sin nor the devil exists, right? Edit: Did you post a pic of white jesus?!?! Really?
On the subject of Religion, these three images have always been extremely powerful to me.
My world view has evolved to a place where it doesn't really matter what someone else's faith or beliefs are (or aren't).
Only thing that matters to me is how they treat me and others.
Religion is not the enemy.
"Sin" is the enemy.
In a religious context, sin is a transgression against divine law. Each culture has its own interpretation of what it means to commit a sin. While sins are generally considered actions, any thought, word, or act considered immoral, selfish, shameful, harmful, or alienating might be termed "sinful".
The fact that a person has no religion does not make them "better" than anyone else.
Atheist's / Agnostics aren't free from "sin".
My personal beliefs on sins is based on Roman Catholic theology (raised as a Catholic):
(1) pride, (2) greed, (3) lust, (4) envy, (5) gluttony, (6) wrath, (7) sloth.
Each of these can be overcome with the seven corresponding virtues of;
(1) humility, (2) charity, (3) chastity, (4) gratitude, (5) temperance, (6) patience, and (7) diligence.
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I didn’t want to say anything about the White Jesus. I zoomed in and all…
But perhaps, he loves the meaning behind it - the actual art. (70 excuses before judging someone - had to use it in this matter
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But perhaps, he loves the meaning behind it - the actual art. (70 excuses before judging someone - had to use it in this matter
)What's ATR?
"Jesus and his disciples travel to Jerusalem for Passover, where Jesus expels the merchants and consumers from the temple, accusing them of turning it into "a den of thieves" (in the Synoptic Gospels) and "a house of trade" (in Gospel of John) through their commercial activities."
The painting shows that the only time Jesus ever acted in anger (wrath) was at Church, and the Church subsequently executed him for it via the Romans.
The painting shows the division between organized religion and what Jesus actually stood for.
Jesus braided a whip, and got to correcting **** right there in the Church.
Fast forward to today:
Jesus is usually depicted as docile, soft, and meek to keep us soft, docile, and meek - but in reality, he was none of those things. He certainly turned some cheeks that day though
Anyway, If all you get from that is "White Jesus" then I'd hate to hear what you think of the Three Little Pigs or the Tortoise vs the Hare.
I personally don't invest in distractions and yes, I know who Cesar Borgia is.
Yes I know Jesus is not a white man.
I also know neither pigs, nor rabbits, nor tortoises can talk.
So what?
Its just a painting Fam.
Yes - White people weaponized the Bible / Religion...but I diffused that bomb before I was even a teenager.
If people today are suffering under the delusion that Jesus is a white man then that says more of them than anything else.
Anyway,
Ex: How would the message change if Jesus were painted as a Black man?
Would you believe in the message then?
If so, then here ya go...
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What's ATR?
"Jesus and his disciples travel to Jerusalem for Passover, where Jesus expels the merchants and consumers from the temple, accusing them of turning it into "a den of thieves" (in the Synoptic Gospels) and "a house of trade" (in Gospel of John) through their commercial activities."
The painting shows that the only time Jesus ever acted in anger (wrath) was at Church, and the Church subsequently executed him for it via the Romans.
The painting showing the division between organized religion and what Jesus actually stood for.
He actually braided a whip, and got to correcting **** right there in the Church.
Fast forward to today:
Jesus is usually depicted at docile, soft, and meek to keep us soft, docile, and meek - but in reality, he was none of those things.
Anyway, If all you get from that is "White Jesus" then I'd hate to hear what you think of the Three Little Pigs or the Tortoise vs the Hare.
I personally don't invest in distractions and yes, I know who Cesar Borgia is.
Yes I know Jesus is not a white man.
I also know neither pigs, nor rabbits, nor tortoises can talk.
So what?
Its just a painting Fam.
Yes - White people weaponized the Bible / Religion...but I diffused that bomb before I was even a teenager.
If people today are suffering under the delusion that Jesus is a white man then that says more of them than anything else.
Anyway,
Ex: How would the message change if Jesus were painted as a Black man?
Would you believe in the message then?
If so, then here ya go...
If you do not understand the importance of imagery and the psyche of the oppressed, especially in respect to the expression of anger, something that is used against Black people due to the stigma of stereotypical behaviors? I do not know what to tell you. Posting a white jesus while discussing the oppression of Black people is as insulting as suggesting that white privilege does not exist. Btw, ATR’s are African Traditional Religions. I am sure that you’ve heard of Neith, Ra, Ausar,Ast, HetHeru and Heru. I am certain that you’ve also heard of Shango, Ogun and Yemeya, as the latter are who Nat Turner and others called upon in order to go to war. If you are indeed about the Blackness? Discover your birthright, your ancestry, as that is far more beautiful, angry, and artistic than that devil you’ve posted could ever be. Those ATR’s are not in any way similar to anything abrahamic either.
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RepubliKKKan Jesus
While its true that White people weaponized religion to serve their purpose, White people in fact do not own said religion.
The true origins of what we call Christianity go back MUCH further...like you said.
Why throw the baby out with the bathwater when there's a perfectly good drain?
I understand everything you're saying but context is important.
The whole Bible is trash because White people, White peopled? Word?
Why give them so much power when you obviously know the truth?
I prefer Big Mama Thornton to Elvis Presley - but a Hound Dog is still a Hound Dog .
The truth is the truth no matter who tellin' it / "imagery".
Gotta focus on the message, not the person / people.
People will always be flawed in some fashion, its the message that's important.
The penchant for ad hominem is really strong with you for some reason...well with everyone but Black women of course.
Kevin Samuels
"White" Jesus
Gotta work on that Fam.
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What's ATR?
"Jesus and his disciples travel to Jerusalem for Passover, where Jesus expels the merchants and consumers from the temple, accusing them of turning it into "a den of thieves" (in the Synoptic Gospels) and "a house of trade" (in Gospel of John) through their commercial activities."
The painting shows that the only time Jesus ever acted in anger (wrath) was at Church, and the Church subsequently executed him for it via the Romans.
The painting shows the division between organized religion and what Jesus actually stood for.
Jesus braided a whip, and got to correcting **** right there in the Church.
Fast forward to today:
Jesus is usually depicted as docile, soft, and meek to keep us soft, docile, and meek - but in reality, he was none of those things. He certainly turned some cheeks that day though
Anyway, If all you get from that is "White Jesus" then I'd hate to hear what you think of the Three Little Pigs or the Tortoise vs the Hare.
I personally don't invest in distractions and yes, I know who Cesar Borgia is.
Yes I know Jesus is not a white man.
I also know neither pigs, nor rabbits, nor tortoises can talk.
So what?
Its just a painting Fam.
Yes - White people weaponized the Bible / Religion...but I diffused that bomb before I was even a teenager.
If people today are suffering under the delusion that Jesus is a white man then that says more of them than anything else.
Anyway,
Ex: How would the message change if Jesus were painted as a Black man?
Would you believe in the message then?
If so, then here ya go...
So I take it that you believe in the Black Liberation Theology by Dr. James Cone (founder). Who believes, like myself, that Yeshua was on the side of the oppressed. If I remember correctly, it actually comes from Latin America.
And I am sure
KHUFU
would agree with Dr. Jackie Grant and Dr. Delores Williams methodologies, Womenist Theology.
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Way easier said than done.
When you have been oppressed by a group of people and you look up and see the the "Leader of all Men" in the image of those that oppressed you, it is REALLY hard to "ignore the image."
I am sure you understand that.
So simply replace the image of White Jesus with an image of Black Jesus or Horus if that works for you.
More and more folks are turning away from organized religion these days because of all the BS rules and lies people have added to suit their needs.
Jesus himself didn't actually say anything about us going to a building for Church / to worship.
The only time he actually lost his cool was messing around with organized religion - and you know what they did to him next.
Then used the Cross as a symbol for anyone else who wanted smoke.
Imagine if they had electric chairs back then.
Folks walking around with Death Row chains right now instead of the Crucifix.
The Creator went even further:
"'Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me? says the Lord. Or where will my resting place be?
That's why I chuckle inside when preachers say: "This is the Lords house!"
Anyway - Whatever we gotta do - to do better.
My only point is the notion that we need to crap on each other as Black people just because of our Religious beliefs.
That kind of division aint getting us anywhere.
Oh you believe in White Jesus? Nah Fam I'm better than you because I believe in Horus!
Word?
How is that not the sin of Pride?
How does that not serve the very White people we are talking about?
People will always be flawed no matter what Church they go or don't go to - or what's hanging or not hanging on the wall when they get there.
The real test of is how they treat each other in the parking lot.
Old lady damn near ran me over and cursed me out for being in her way - walked right into the church holding her Bible like it was nothing
Cant blame that on White Jesus.
I'm not excusing history - but I wont be its hostage either.
“Don't be in a hurry to condemn because he doesn't do what you do or think as you think or as fast. There was a time when you didn't know what you know today.”
- Malcolm X
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Again, easier said than done.
The image of White Jesus has "literally" been burned into out brains at this point so it is hard to recondition the brain.
The image of White Jesus has "literally" been burned into out brains at this point so it is hard to recondition the brain.
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Pretty much this.
I cant seem to wrap my head around the idea that all the worlds problems will be solved by rejecting religion.
Like, do we think misogyny, racism, oppression and exploitation would have never taken hold in the absence of religion? People behave this way in all frames of the game regardless of religion and its ironic cause most religions preach against such behavior. Humans gonna human.
Anywhere theres a power structure, people use and abuse it to exploit others for gain or personal satisfaction. Religion is especially convenient as it allows such people to hide behind a wall of moral superiority. Same way the US ****s the world in the name of spreading democracy and freedom.
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Yet people dont seem to have a problem seperating the white image from the oppressive history in everyday interactions with white folks. A persons skin color isnt indicative of their character.
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Who is suggesting it is?
So the question becomes - How would your life change if Jesus was always depicted as a Black / Brown man (or Woman for Khufu)?
Would you treat others any better?
Would you be a better person?
Would you "sin" less?
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My life wouldn't change if Jesus was presented as a black man.
But, I believe others could subcinsciously value themselves more if Jesus was presented in their likeness.
I relate it to some people feeling like they could be anything after seeing Pastor Obama becoming President.
In short, you can find value in your existance when you see folks that look like you in the limelight.
Fair Point.
There's a "Black" Jesus at my old Catholic church where my Mother still goes to this day.
To say it doesn't matter at all is a myth.
IJS it doesn't matter enough for James to divorce Florida or diss her for being "sleep" because she prefers the white version on her wall.
I thought it was a dope episode because that's some realness for you.
I mean it aint like it worked out any better in the end.
They crucified White Jesus just the same...that Whiteness meant nothing when going against the machine.
There's a lesson in that.
Anyway,
I read this before I was 12...
Revelation 1:14-15. "His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters."
My parents explained it to me when I asked.
Then they asked me if it made a difference in the message.
Note:
Santa Claus aint white either, he's from modern day Turkey...this knowledge has zero impact on my Christmas budget.
That's why I say I cant give white folks all this free space in my mind.
The truth is the truth.
