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The problem Dems have is that they need to be critical of Isarel by also simultaneously being sensitive to antisemitism

The issue is the pro-Israel lobby and media in America conflate the two.

Furthermore, a lot of American Jews, even liberals ones, even ones that hate Bibi, and sympathetic to Palestinians, see supporting Israel as an important cultural issue. Something tied to their identity.

Talking about Isarel is clumsy and unhinged way out of anger is not the play here.
 
I totally agree with you, in a world where people could be rational about this....

but if you are the leader of the senate democrats, I think it's fair to think he should think more strategically, knowing how insane leftists are about this topic.

its not fair, its not right, you're right it's irrational and most of them are doing this because they hate him.
but like as leader I think you have to consider all of that.
I mean all things considered, I agree

He should move differently

I think people still trying to push a pro-Israel stance in 2026 sound crazy. Morally, electorally, whatever, there is no logical argument left to make. Let it go.

But that is my main knock on Schumer, he is old man that refuses to see his blindspots. He is irrational too.
 
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They might find anti Trump Sentiment inscribed on his golf clubs. Thinking about this person having to work on his game at top golf has me 😃 from 👂 to 👂
Some new Titleist it driver dropped, and he couldn't cop.

He looks forward to that joint every two years. He been buying them joints since the 90s. This is the first time he couldn't get the new one.

Mans was telling me this driving to a meeting across town and I swear he was looking like....

 
Some new Titleist it driver dropped, and he couldn't cop.

He looks forward to that joint every two years. He been buying them joints since the 90s. This is the first time he couldn't get the new one.

Mans was telling me this driving to a meeting across town and I swear he was looking like....


Imagining da tears steaming down his face just makes this even better. INJECT IT IN MY VIENS

This is me right now reading this and thinking about it.

 
Having to play municipal golf courses and take regular vacations to San Diego done turned dude in a resistance liberal.

He was just complaining to me about beef prices.

Kash need to put dude on a list. He pissed

No new titleist GTS3 with a Ventus velocore shaft for him this summer either huh?
 
I agree with you on messaging point especially for nationally and swing states.

but in redder states I think messaging isn't enough,
You need to just substantively agree with the electorate without reservation or qualification.

James Tallerico has done this a bit, with his comments on oil and gas, but imo he needs to go even further.

I know you get this but my frustration with Dems who think you can find some magic combination of words that makes red state voters forget they are conservative.
Yeah I agree

I think Nebraska Dems not running anyone to help Dan Osbron is great. Mary Pelota in Alaska is pro oil and pro gun. Schumer was looking for a bunch of centrist, and center right people to run in red states. He just got told no a lot.

I was more talking about swing states.

In red states I completely agree, you have to run people that break with the party on some high profile. I hate dude but the answer to the Dems Senate problems is more Joe Manchin type candidates, not less.
 
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Attacks on vets continuing


In addition to being racist and Plutocratic, the Trump administration is eugenicist. They HATE neurodivergent and mentally and physically disabled people.

These new housing restrictions and the reduction in SSDI benefits for people w/ learning disabilities who live at home, at two of the highlights policywise.

Plus there is RFK talking about austism as though it were the great health challenge of our time.

And of course we have Hegseth whose military doctrine seems to be that the key to winning wars is to make sure that everyone in your military, even those in who are in non combat at support roles, has an anvil jaw and interests outside of doing pull ups and smashing brews, that and having 20 Chad sons with your trad wife.

Like Napoleon said, war is 4/5ths mogging and the other 1/5th is never wanting to talk about nerd ****.


IMO this obsession neuro uniformity and facial structure are very solid examples of Trump and his clique being fascists rather than run of the mill conservatives.



To be fair, Dems Senate recruitment is usually very good. People can hate Chuck Schumer but besides Sinema, he is very good identifying quality Senate candidates. Problem is people tell him no a lot. That happened in Maine. That happened in Montana.


But speaking nationally. I think the major problem is left media and left interest groups don't allow the Dems to modify their messaging to make them more relatable. Dems having to stick to their talking points and if they don't they are traitors to the cause no better than a Republican.

Like...

-Climate change isn't a electoral winner. But telling people more green energy means lower electric and gas bills is.

-Subsidize hybrids, and electric cars, build out a charging networks in power. No need to run on this though. They need to make it easy to choose and electric car. Not sell them on vibes

-Tell people you respect their 2nd amendment rights, what you want to do is go after gun trafficking. You want to go after illegal guns getting into the hands of criminals. You want to properly fund the ATF. Tell them the GOP wants to put guns in criminals hands. Dems want to make sure you aren't out gunned.

-Tell people you support good police work. You will fund good policing to keep communities safe. But you believe in Law and Order and police misconduct is illegal and any police found violating people's rights doesn't get a free pass. But police unions make this jobs extremely hard. They are a scourge.

-Go back to the "legal, safe, rare" framework for abortion messaging. That you want to protect a women's right to choose but your policy choices will be aimed at trying to decrease the amount of abortions that happen. Like you want more social workers to get girls that are being abused away from their abusers. Like I remember hearing a Dem say they are pro-choice but anti abortion as common thing when I first moved to America. Go back to that

-They have to moderate transgender issues. But really it is mainly the girls sports issues and hormone treatments for minor that are the major sticking points. But they have to handle this with grace. Don't be sounding like a Bill Maher level ******* about it. Protecting trans people is important, Dems need to commit to that, they need to be in power to do that.

-Yeah, Obama was right about the border. He wasn't an evil racist. Don't be cruel, use the extra capacity/money to process people faster, but they have to commit to order at the Southern border.

I could go on.


There is a way for Dems to sound way more credible and appealing.

But special interests groups police their messaging so damn much, and they group together in all-or-nothing demand of the national party.

Dems need to get back to sound like reasonable liberals, speaking in everyday language.

Like there are some groups in my state advocating that the party ban American flags from party events because it is a symbol of imperialism and white supremacy. I was at the meeting where this argument broke out. The reps from the Dem Party defending keep the flag were three black women and a naturalized Laiton man. The activist were mainly white

I was back like...

Frustrated Ryan Gosling GIF

-Framing every issue in individual, utilitarian terms is always helpful. Society is downstream of politics and economics and the dominant consensus for the last half century is there is no such thing as society, caring for the least among us, and that greed is good. That’s what we have to work with and we neec to work within those parameters.

-now you got me picturing Kahn and Ryan Gosling fighting over whether to keep or tear down the flag.

-IMO the best leftist activism is to change condition under which politics takes place. Mutual aid, anti ICE patrols, union organizing, bringing non voters w/ frustrations about inequality into the electorate, pressure electeds, and running our own campaign in races where we aren’t helping Republicans.

Becoming a more just and equitable country requires different types of political engagement. Pressuring Democrats to change their slogans is a waste of time. Disrupting a local Democratic Party meeting is foolish.

Let Democrats optimize their chances for capturing state power. And us leftists need to focus on creating conditions and popular organizations that support genuinely progressive and left Dems and pressures the regressive Dems.
 
Platner's Nazi tattoo undermine his anti-Isarel stance, a ton. It is wild the online left media can't see that.

And this better be it for Platner as far as surprises. At a certain point this sorta stuff stops humanizing him and just makes him look highly problematic.
I’d be surprised if this is the end of the road as far as Platner’s personal issues go.
I think it’s still preferable to a Republican obviously as long as he supports the policy agenda he claims but I don’t buy his apology tour.

According to the WSJ report about the infidelity thing, mans has an active Kik account in the big 2026.

You literally can’t have a shadier App than that. Until the rise of Telegram, Kik was basically the app for cybercrime or associated shady activities (speaking from personal experience). It’s either cybercrime, kids or pedophiles.

Fun fact: Deleting your Kik account doesn’t actually delete it and they have no protection against bruteforcing. You just run an emulator on your pc like Bluestacks and go to town with a custom bruteforcing program.
Hypothetically, if you have or obtain the login info to a deleted account you can just forcibly reactivate it. The original owner will not receive any sort of notification.
Having an active Kik account in the age of Telegram and Signal is insane on so many levels.

Someone’s probably trying to crack that account as we speak. This message was never true in the first place and it’s still a lie today.
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Nah It's over. It's the choice Israel and the Jewish Zionists have made.

When Biden was taking giant political hits for his support of Israel.
Were Barri Weiss, or John Podhoretz or whoever writing articles defending Biden and telling American Zionist they should vote for Democrats?

Nah, instead they fomented hysteria about campus protests, and did everything possible to push pro Zionist isreal hawks to support Donald Trump.

I think that was the final nail in the coffin. Biden got literally nothing for supporting them.

Why would any Democrat ever in the future burn any political capital supporting them? It's over imo.

To be clear, I include Weiss and Podhoretz in the “ADL” bucket.

I think there is a sizeable, wealthy, politically engaged, and currently voiceless constituency within the American US community - people who are breaking or have broken with Israel but who still have strong identity as Jews. Establishing an advocacy group that decouples Israel from the well being of American Jews could simultaneously strengthen the bond with Democrats while weakening the ADL and American Zionism.

Any alternative would have to come from the community itself, but would need enough of the old guard to give it legitimacy. My point was Schumer is in a position to play that role if he wanted to. The choice for him needn’t be either status quo or ignore his own community.
 
To be clear, I include Weiss and Podhoretz in the “ADL” bucket.

I think there is a sizeable, wealthy, politically engaged, and currently voiceless constituency within the American US community - people who are breaking or have broken with Israel but who still have strong identity as Jews. Establishing an advocacy group that decouples Israel from the well being of American Jews could simultaneously strengthen the bond with Democrats while weakening the ADL and American Zionism.

Any alternative would have to come from the community itself, but would need enough of the old guard to give it legitimacy. My point was Schumer is in a position to play that role if he wanted to. The choice for him needn’t be either status quo or ignore his own community.
I think you are spot on, the movement has to come from within the Jewish community, the majority of jews I know or some of the most anti-zionist people on earth. It brings to mind the infamous Chris Rock stand up there are black people and then their are N. It's funny of course because it's true, there is nuance within minority groups, something the right has never cared about and the left gets wrong by being pulled thin to the margins. I actually think the more important part is the second piece, decoupling advocacy from Isreal and the well being of American Jews. Not sure what that would look like.

I also think osh kosh bosh osh kosh bosh is right in that after all Biden did and didn't do, he still got trounced in Michigan in large part to pro-palestinian leftists that thought it more prudent to abstain from voting all together or align with the guy who moved the embassy to Jerusalem.
 

Violence isn’t usually the answer, but he needs his *** beat.

Said a while ago Trump was gonna get her out. Didn’t exactly happen like that, but still…..

When these people lose elections, they have to think they have a free pass to do whatever and it’ll eventually work out no matter what crime they commit.
 
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